Glenn Beck talks with Lorianne Updike


Lorianne Updike


President & Executive Director of ConSource

GLENN: You are going to get the actual facts from the people who are in the courtroom when it happened. Lorianne Updike, she is with Consource and she was actually in the courtroom. Hi, Lorianne, how are you?

UPDIKE: Hi, Glenn, how are you?

GLENN: Very good. Tell me what happened today.

UPDIKE: Well, when the chief justice went to announce the decision, you just heard a ruffle around the courtroom. I think a few people knew that Justice Scalia is an avid hunter and has a big buck in his chambers. So you knew what was coming down. It was a little bit electric.

GLENN: What was the -- was there a moment outside of that where you just couldn't believe it and you're thinking, I'm sitting here listening to real history.

UPDIKE: You know, I've had a couple of really amazing moments in the Supreme Court. This morning was absolutely one of them. It was interesting to note how contentious the dissent and then the majority opinion were, yet I happen to know that these guys go and grab burgers together after it's all said and done. So the moment when I thought, you know, this is making history was when justice Scalia said that with any standard the Second Amendment takes off the table, takes certain policy choices off the table including an absolute prohibition on guns and then Stevens' dissent goes through and he says the Second Amendment does not protect an individual's right to keep a loaded handgun in urban areas. But what I see this as and what is most exciting for me is that battle of the documents, as somebody from the Brady Center said. Both side looks at the documents and as one who heads up a project that is most concerned with the documents, I have son interesting takeaways from the opinions, particularly that there's a few things that both sides would probably agree with. One is that the Second Amendment is poorly worded. You have a comma problem. A well regulated militia being necessary -- let's see. If you have that in front of you --

GLENN: No, I don't have it in front of me -- hang on, I do.

UPDIKE: Okay, I've got it here. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. So the key question here, of course, is, is the prologue before the comma determinant or not and that's when you start to look at the documents. The problem, though, is that you have cherry-picking going on. If you look at the briefs, and I just reread them over the last couple of days from both sides of the argument, there's a lot of cherry-picking going on to find those documents and those quotes that are most helpful. But there needs to be a system and an order, and cherry-picking has been allowed because these documents are unavailable. Both sides referenced the English Bill of Rights from 1689 and --

GLENN: Why do we care about the English Bill of Rights?

UPDIKE: Well, you see, it's a precedent to our Bill of Rights. There are precedents out there in the state constitutions which we have up on Consource and the English Bill of Rights.

GLENN: But Lorianne, you know and I know that the militia was originally not something that was funded by the government. It was Ben Franklin running around to his neighbors saying, grab your guns, boys, we need to protect our own land here because the government isn't going to do jack; the British are coming.

UPDIKE: The militia had a very Democratic nature to it and one of my favorite moments to the day was when I saw a heckler outside with a sign, with a quote from Patrick Henry which said the great object, every man be armed. It was great. And now a lot of the founders' conception of what a militia was, it was not the point of a dissent argument. Dissent did not focus on whether or not the government controlled the militia, but Scalia's view was that it was well known unanimously that every man who could should bear arms and participate in the militia. And if you look at it from the colonists perspective, this makes sense. They just defeated a massive army in large part because of their militias. Yes, the militias were scraggly and they were untrained in many instances, but they had guns. In fact, Scalia talked about how in Boston, in Massachusetts particularly, in Lexington and Concord, the militias were not disbanded. It was the arms who were taken away. And so I think everyone would agree that militias were of quintessential importance to the founders and that's why it finds itself in the prologue. But then the question becomes, well, what is a militia? Is it an organized body of the people or is it government-organized? And that's where the real contention comes in.

If you drill down to the individual framers, yeah, most of them from my reading talk about, you know, individual rights, but I don't think, I personally don't think that drilling down to what the founders said is what has most legal precedents here. You should look at the documents, and this is why I think there needs to be a methodology describing, you know, what's the pecking order, how do you determine what the Constitution says. When you have a blank slate in front of you like the Supreme Court has had here and there's no precedent, there's no decisions. They get to go back to 1791 when the Second Amendment was passed and the Bill of Rights and so okay, what does this mean from a first instance. And at that point you need a methodology. And you can't just go to individuals. No, you have to go to the discussions, the legislative history, the precedents like the English Bill of Rights and the state constitutions, the state recitation debates which we also have on Consource and then you get to individuals, both their letters and basically letters to the editor like the Federalist Papers.

GLENN: Right.

UPDIKE: I think the Federalist Papers have way too much currency when we talk about the founders. Those were individuals writing, in short was widely published and widely read. However, it's one person's opinion and it's not legally binding. You've got to look at the bodies.

GLENN: Lorianne, you have all of the information that the Supreme Court looked at, you have it in one place, do you know, on Consource?

UPDIKE: We have a lot of the documents on Consource that were referred to. We're continually growing and we've just added over the summer some of those that they referred to today, which was great, state constitutions and some of these precedents.

GLENN: So do you have them up on the front page or some place where it's easy to access?

UPDIKE: Yeah, absolutely.

GLENN: Tell people how to get there.

UPDIKE: If you go to Consource.org, we have a top 10 list of founders quotes, gun quotes on Consource and in about two hours, maybe less, we'll have all of the quotes of the founding fathers that were mentioned in the Supreme Court today that are also available on Consource and eventually look up all those others for being quoted.

GLENN: That's Consource.org. And really if you've never used it before, we just stumbled onto you in the last year. It is really, really tremendous and you can find the words and the letters and the notes back and forth. Everything that you might -- that might help you enlighten yourself on what our founding fathers really meant and what they were really talking about at Consource.org. Lorianne, thank you very much. I appreciate your time.

UPDIKE: Thanks so much, Glenn.

The conditions in Afghanistan under the Taliban rule — for Americans, allies, Christians, women and more — continue to deteriorate, and the people there continue to plead that we will not forget them. On the radio program Monday, Glenn Beck gave an emotional update on current evacuation efforts, including the tragic story of one girl — an American passport holder — who was not rescued in time.

"I have a pit in my stomach like I haven't had in a while. What is happening in Afghanistan is both miraculous and horrendous," Glenn began. "What's going on right now one of the most amazing things I've ever personally witnessed — the evacuation of Americans, those [Afghans] who helped us, Christians that are dying, women that are under incredible conditions. I see things that I can't show you. I see the pleadings from people who are in safe houses, 'Please, don't forget us.' I see what they're being sent by the Taliban.

"If I die today, my entire life will have been worth it for what you have helped get done, in just the last three weeks. You have saved well over 5,000 people," he continued.

Fighting back tears, Glenn added, "I ask that you pray for those in the Middle East, that are in the midst of doing work, that a Moses-style miracle will happen. ... There are several people that are in dire need of medical care. Friday, we told you — along with the congressman from Oklahoma [Rep. Markwayne Mullin] who had just returned — [about] a father and two daughters that were blue passport Americans, and a mother who had a permanent residence, a Green Card. The daughter was very ill. And they thought, that if we couldn't get her out of there, that she would lose her legs. I got a call on Saturday morning, that we were too late, that she didn't lose her legs. She lost her life, waiting. There are now two Americans, instead of three."

Glenn showered his audience with gratitude, repeating that "well over 5000" lives have already been saved because of their incredible generosity, but lamented that there are still thousands more people yet to be saved.

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Megyn Kelly pulled her sons out of the private elementary school they attended after she learned that the boys were asked "weekly" if they were still sure they were boys. But that's not all that this "experimental transgender education program" taught.

Megyn joined Glenn Beck on the radio program to tell the story, which she thought had ended when the school apologized, and to talk about what's next for America as our leaders refuse to promote actual psychological support for our kids and instead "parade" transgenderism as the solution to their problems.

"When [my son] was in third grade, I found out they unleashed a three-week experimental transgender education program on these boys, with really inappropriate videos. The kids were confused. These are 8- and 9-year-olds, Glenn. They have no idea what the school is even talking about with the trans thing. They got really in-depth, with really in-your-face videos — and then parents complained. And the school did something it hasn't done in its 400-year history, which was they apologized. Even they realized they had done wrong," Megyn explained.

"But, then I said to my son a year later, so did they ever round back to the trans thing? Like, whatever happened with it? And he said ... they bring it up every week. ... [They ask] how many people here still feel confident that they're a boy? Do you still feel sure you're a boy?" she continued. "This is not support. This is not nonbullying. This is indoctrination. And it's deeply confusing to the children, and wrong."

Megyn went on to give examples of how she's seen trans ideology turn "support, nonbullying, kindness, friendship, allyship, on its head."

"The absolute surrender of the medical community to this insanity is a scourge on this nation. It's disgusting what is happening with our doctors," she added. "There are people who are legitimately transgender, or who have gender dysphoria. And for those people, we should be supportive and they should get the care that they need. But what we've done instead, is taken everyone who expresses any kind of gender confusion and said, you're trans. You're trans. And we have our psychiatrists doing this."

"It's crazy," Megyn asserted. "The fact that we're doing this so willy-nilly in the name of allyship and support, it's abusive. It's criminal."

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"Never forget" is not only a tribute to those we've lost, it's a warning that it could happen AGAIN. On "Glenn TV" Wednesday, Glenn Beck looks back 20 years ago to the modern generation's Pearl Harbor moment. A day of infamy we're STILL feeling repercussions from.

But in remembering 9/11, we need to look toward the future because the Biden administration is setting us up for the NEXT 9/11. They bungled the Afghanistan withdrawal, and now we have video of top al Qaeda commanders — who served with Osama bin Laden — returning to the country. But could America survive another terror attack?

Glenn asks former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the leader who brought America back from the brink. He tells Glenn about the moment he learned the Twin Towers were struck, the actions he took to prevent more terrorism, and if he thinks NYC could survive another attack under Mayor de Blasio's leadership.

Glenn is also joined by Rev. Johnnie Moore, author of "The Next Jihad." He warns that Biden's policies in the Middle East are Obama 2.0, and "if you thought ISIS was bad, you haven't seen anything yet. We must keep our eyes on Iran."

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