Governor Bobby Jindal, State of Louisiana
GLENN: Well, we're about to see if Obama can predict the court and what is constitutional as well as he can judge friends. In a story entitled Court to Hear Gun Case, Chicago Tribune quoted Barack Obama as saying he believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional. We'll see. The Court is currently announcing the latest. I'm just looking. I've got a -- I'm looking and I've got a -- I have a live blog on from somebody who is sitting in the courtroom. They just did the Morgan Stanley opinion and Justice Scalia is reading this. Heller decision is just a couple of minutes away. Let's go to Governor Jindal, the governor of Louisiana. Governor, how are you, sir?
GOVERNOR JINDAL: Glenn, I'm doing so well. I wish I had Obama's confidence in predicting what this court would do or not do. I hope he's wrong, by the way, but they had an amazing decision yesterday. I never would have predicted. I'm no attorney but it just shocked me and the people of Louisiana, the decision they made in a death penalty case yesterday. You may be familiar with this decision.
GLENN: Oh, yeah. You know what, and I have to tell you, that's why we have you on because I just, I -- in my house I applauded you yesterday with the new bills that you say you're going to -- that you signed in, the chemical castration bill. You're taking care of business down in Louisiana. Tell me what you've done.
GOVERNOR JINDAL: Let's tell your listeners what happened yesterday. Louisiana has a law, had a law that says those monsters that violently rape our children should be put to death. No question about it. Obviously to go to a jury, has to have a unanimous jury verdict. An awful case got its way to the court. You had this child who literally was in a garage sorting outline Girl Scout cookies that was violently raped. It went to jury, the jury heard the case, convicted the man, gave him the death penalty. The judge -- this was an 8-year-old child, 8-year-old little girl. The Court yesterday overturned our law. I want to quote for you from this case. One of the justices said, quote: The death penalty is not a proportional punishment for the rape of a child. That is absurd. That is dead wrong. If there's any crime other than murder that deserves death, clearly it is those monsters that violate our children. And here's what's really scary. When you read -- and again I'm no attorney, but read the reasoning, the rationale behind what the Court was saying. They talked about an emerging consensus. And again I'm going to quote this, a national consensus against capital punishment for the crime of child rape, end quote, that sounds to me like a legislative debate. How is that a constitutional analysis? I thought their job was to figure out what the founding fathers intended, to interpret the Constitution, not to take an opinion poll and say, well, the country seems to be for this or against this. The rationale was shoddy, the decision was shoddy. You just -- again I am so mad at what they've done here. You read this ruling and just, you can't -- as a father of three, as a governor, I can't help but be angry. And you read this. It makes no sense. It talks about --
GLENN: Well, no, no, no. Go ahead. It talks about the evolving look at morality in our country. They are doing exactly what, you know, we in talk radio have been saying they are doing for quite some time. We are no longer looking at the intention of the founding fathers. They are looking at where we're headed, where we should be as a society, and they are evolving the law.
GOVERNOR JINDAL: And you know what's scary? This is the same court that many of the justices looked at international precedent, they looked now to this quote, national consensus, whatever that means. I mean, I don't know. Did they hire the Gallup opinion polls? They certainly didn't come and talk to the people of Louisiana who overwhelmingly support this law in this legislature. This past session we passed several laws to park these monsters. For example, just yesterday I signed into law a bill that authorizes the chemical castration of sex offenders in Louisiana. What is says is those monsters convicted of aggravated rape, forceful rape, second degree sexual battery, aggravated incest, molestation of a juvenile of victims under the age of 13, aggravated crime against nature, the Court can order the offender to undergo chemical castration. On a second conviction they are required to sentence the offender to undergo chemical castration. The Court can instead order physical castration and this does not buy them leniency. They must still serve their full sentences. This is not in lieu of going to jail. They still have to go to jail. We passed other bills to double the sentences on those that molest our juveniles, that use the computers to go after our children. We prohibited these monsters from wearing masks around holidays, from giving out candy during Halloween. We also prevented them from using text messages to go after our children. We increased the minimum sentence for molestation by fivefold. We closed several loopholes. We're going to give the Courts the ability to require lifetime registration. You know, these crimes have lifetime consequences for their victims. That's what was so shocking about the court decision yesterday. You look at these crimes. These are such heinous crimes. I had -- as governor I get to meet amazing people every day. I had a young boy that came to meet with me. He was the victim of one of these crimes and his parents are working so hard to teach him that he did nothing wrong, that it wasn't his fault. And you just look in the eyes of these victims and I pledged to his parents I would do anything I could to protect our children from the kinds of monsters that victimized their little boy. And that's what offends me so deeply about what the Court has done yesterday. I've already told my attorneys, find a way, read the decision, read the ruling. We're going to come back with a new law applying the death penalty to these monsters. We're going to keep going back to the Court until they get it right. You just, this is what angers the American people. When this branch of government decides they are going to overturn the will of the people, it's supposed to be a separate but equal branch of government. They are not supposed to write the laws. They are not supposed to take opinion polls. They are not supposed to look to international precedent or evolving national consensus. They are supposed to apply the intent of the founding fathers. And you are exactly right. It's what talk show hosts like you and others have been warning about for so long. Now they are not even hiding. They are admitting it. In the opinion themselves, itself, they actually say there's this emerging national consensus as if that's the basis to write constitutional law.
GLENN: They don't -- they are not even listening to the founding fathers, the voice of the founding fathers anymore. They are just moving on in any direction that they want to. I'm just getting a note here, Heller affirmed. So what does that mean, Heller affirmed? Does that mean that the Heller case, the win -- hang on. Justice Scalia wrote the opinion, Breyer dissented, joined by Justices Stevens, Suitor, Ginsburg. (Mumbling). It does violate the Second Amendment. The ruling struck down the provisions in question and it is affirmed.
GOVERNOR JINDAL: Good for them.
GLENN: Yeah. That's great news.
GOVERNOR JINDAL: You know, one right doesn't erase one wrong, but clearly --
GLENN: No, I know. Okay, so let me ask you this. Governor, you are a guy who, you know, a lot of people I talked to will say, oh, jeez, you know, I hope he runs for national office someday. You must feel the frustration of the average person. People are starting to live on the edge in America where they feel helpless, they feel hopeless, they see their country being hijacked by radicals and nut jobs, and environmentalists, I don't hate the environment. I want my kids to have clean air and clean water but I don't want to -- I don't want to live in the Dark Ages to be able to do that. I think we use technology to get us there in a sane sort of way. What advice do you give to the average person who looks at these candidates and says, "I can't vote for any of them"?
GOVERNOR JINDAL: Well, first of all, I absolutely agree with your premise. We had a federal judge last year in Louisiana that ruled pastors couldn't pray before school board meetings in part because some folks were worried that children would be accidentally exposed to prayer. And it's crazy rulings like that. Watching congress, they want us to beg the Middle East to drill for oil. They don't want us to drill for oil. They don't want nuclear power, they don't want clean coal. Look, I'm all for renewables and all those other things and alternative energy. We have to do that. We also have to have a rational energy policy. You see the same folks in congress saying raise taxes on gasoline as if that's going to lower our energy prices. I think the important thing for frustrated voters out there is we can't give up, we've got to go out -- that's why elections are so important because you know what? It results in judicial appointments, it results in decisions like yesterday's and today's. Now, look, we've sometimes been disappointed. No party has been perfect on this score. You look at the appointment of Souter, Justice Souter under the first President Bush, a great disappointment to many of us. That leads me to believe many things. One, we've got to be engaged and involved and we've got to ask tough questions. It's not enough to vote for somebody because they are in one party or another or in general they say the right things. We have to ask specific questions. When it comes to presidential candidates, what kind of justices are you going to appoint. Do they really understand what it means to truly just go back to the interpreting the Constitution, not rewriting laws from the bench. I don't want any more justices that are looking at international precedent. I don't want any more justices looking for a national consensus. They are saying the shifting national opinion polls. I want justices that understand the Second Amendment is black letter law. I want justices that understand states have the right to pass death penalty statutes for monsters like those that go after our children. So I think it's important for us to do two things, to stay engaged but to ask the tough questions and to vote based on principle. Don't be fooled just by rhetoric or things that sound good. Make sure, ask them the specific, tough, hard questions. And it's not just presidential candidates. It goes down to a local, the congressional, the local races as well.
GLENN: Governor, I know you don't feel this way because you're a supporter of John McCain, but a lot of us who are conservatives, we can't vote for John McCain. I mean, I don't know how to vote for John McCain. He is for cap and trade. He is all in on the global warming thing. Good God in heaven, this is insanity to do to our country and to do no business. When we are in the shape that we're in, we need somebody that understands low taxes, even a flat tax, not cap and trade, not taking away the profits from oil companies but going in and drilling. He says he's for -- he says he's for drilling offshore, now he is but what about ANWR?
GOVERNOR JINDAL: I voted every time I was in congress to drill in ANWR. Look, I don't always agree with the senators' positions but the reason I support is it comes down to two major decisions for President. I look at Senator Obama and I look at the types of justices he would appoint and I know he's further from my values when it comes to being pro life, against Second Amendment, against legal immigration, when it comes to new technologies and the other things we need to do and so I would encourage every voter. And, you know, there's so much focus on the national presidential election, that's a very important election. But I want your listeners to pay attention to the congressional elections, too, because if you look at what goes on in the Senate, they confirmed these judges, these judges that are increasingly taking more and more power away from the people, more and more power away from the legislators, more and more power away from the congress so those elections are important as well. We need -- you know, I'm grateful that Scalia's on the bench today. I don't know that he would be confirmed in today's Senate. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be. And so it is important. Let's focus on the presidential election to get involved in other elections as well, including congressional and local elections as well.
GLENN: You know, I was thinking, because, you know, people call me in all the time and say, Glenn, I can't vote for John McCain, I can't vote for Barack Obama and the thing that keeps coming to mind is you've got to stay involved. If you don't stay engaged, if you don't go out and vote -- I don't care if you vote for Winnie the Pooh, if you don't go out and vote and stay involved, there's only one answer left in the meantime, you know, in the long term and that is violence because voting replaces violence, and you can't go down the violence road. You've got to stay engaged. And I was thinking about maybe the advice should just be kind of what you're saying here is just make sure your local elections go right. Just keep it local, put the right people in, in congress. Don't try to send any messages. If you are a Democrat -- or if you are a Republican and you happen to have a blue dog Democrat who really is a blue dog Democrat, vote for the blue dog Democrat over the wimpy Republican.
GOVERNOR JINDAL: Well, and you hit something extremely important. It is so important that we stay engaged and vote. If we don't, we automatically lose. You know, if we get so frustrated we stay at home looking, letting the enemy, I guarantee you there will be more liberal justices, more frustrating rulings. But you also said something which is right as well. Don't vote for a candidate just because they have the right party label, don't vote for somebody just because they scare you about the other guy because it is important. It is important we find candidates we can support, we can go out and volunteer for. And they can be at every level. I mean, they can be at the local level. They can be at the state or the national level. You know, we always focus only on one election but there are so many important elections this year. Your local school board may decide what books your sons and daughters see in school. They may decide what gets taught in those classrooms, who serves in congress may decide what judges get confirmed, what kind of rulings we get on the Second Amendment, on pro life issues or on so many other important property right issues. And so it is so important. My dad would always tell me growing up, you can't complain if you don't go vote. So we cannot disengage. As frustrated as we are, things would be a lot worse if we weren't actively participating. This is the great thing about America. We get to hire and fire these guys. Some of these justices, some of these judges, I think they are greatly exceeding their power but we need members in congress to stand up and rein them in.
GLENN: Have you at all -- has it been hinted that you might be asked to run?
GOVERNOR JINDAL: No. And look, I've got the job that I want.
GLENN: No, no, I know you have the job that you want, but if he asked you, would you run as vice president?
GOVERNOR JINDAL: He is not going to ask me. We've never talked about it and I've made it very clear, look, I'm six months into this job, five months into this job. We've got six taxes, our largest income tax cut in the state's history just this past week. We've got thousands of new jobs coming into our state including a new Fortune 1000 company, Fortune 500 company may be investing $2 billion, $3 billion here. So we've got a lot, lot more work to do in Louisiana. We've got more taxes to cut, more jobs to create.
GLENN: I understand this. But what I'm asking you is if he asks, will you say no?
GOVERNOR JINDAL: He's not going to ask and I don't want to be presumptuous enough to turn down something that's not going to be offered to me. It's kind of silly of these guys to say I will never be there, although we'll never be asked. I'm not going to be asked. I love being governor. He will get his first choice whoever he asks and that's great. Again I'll continue to support him and do what I can. I don't want Senator Obama to be President. I think he's a very articulate man. Don't get me wrong. I think he speaks better than probably any politician in quite a few years but he's also a very, very liberal senator. And make no mistake about it. He doesn't try to mask it. I mean, you actually look at his policies, listen to him when he speaks. Don't just listen to the rhetoric. Listen to what he actually says. Respect, respect Senator Obama enough to listen to what he stands for. It's a very different agenda for our country. I mean, it is higher taxes and it is -- it's not the same respect for the Second Amendment or the other things that are so important.
GLENN: Are you at all surprised that America has embraced Barack Obama? Being as liberal as he is, this is the equivalent on the other side of I guess getting, what, Pat Robertson as a candidate? I mean, this guy's as liberal as you can get, and America doesn't seem to wrap their arms around that yet. They don't seem to really get that. Are you surprised?
GOVERNOR JINDAL: I am a little bit but you've got to give him his due. He is extremely articulate. I think he's sincere in his beliefs, I really do. I think there has been some exhaustion after eight years of the current administration. I think people are looking for new faces. I do hope, though, that people start focusing more, as we get closer to the general election on substance, on policies, look at the contrast between these two candidates because his positions aren't -- I mean, the national journal said he was the most liberal senator. Now, think about that. That means he's more liberal than Ted Kennedy. That means he was more liberal than Hillary Clinton. He was more liberal than Chuck Schumer. I mean, he was the most liberal. I want a reporter to ask him just one time when he thought his party was wrong, one time when he didn't vote with his party, when he thought his party was -- when he thought the Republicans got it right, the Democrats got it wrong. And maybe his answer is he thinks that never happened. Maybe he thinks his party was always right. But I mean, here is a guy that on every issue, every major issue I've seen, has always been on the left of it in the Senate. There really weren't any issues I can find, major issues where he was trying to work across party lines, where he took a conservative position. And I think that voters need to pay attention to that, and I do hope -- you know, we still are months away from the election. I do hope they will look beyond personality, beyond the ability to speak and really look at the positions he's talking about. He is unapologetic about wanting to raise taxes. He is unapologetic about his views on gun control. He is unapologetic on his views on life. He's unapologetic on his views on energy and I just think that's a very different vision from where America wants to go. I still believe this is a center right, a conservative industry.
GOVERNOR JINDAL: And I think if people will look for closely at his policy and substantive position, I don't think he will get a majority of the vote but it's going to require people to look very hard at the actual issues, not just listen to the speeches but look at the substance.
GLENN: Governor Bobby Jindal, thank you so much, sir, and we'll talk to you again.
GOVERNOR JINDAL: Great talking to you, Glenn.
GLENN: All right, bye-bye. The governor of Louisiana, the great state of Louisiana.