GLENN: Thrilled to have Brad Thor on with me. He is the author of The Last Patriot. This is a book that I read how long ago, Mr. Thor, best selling New York Times author?
THOR: I think it was back in March, Glenn.
GLENN: Okay. You sent it to me and I said to you, in all seriousness, I had you on the air and I said, you're a dead man.
THOR: Yeah, you told me don't publish it.
GLENN: Yeah. Now, I told you -- I wrote to you and I didn't mean to be presumptuous at all but I wrote to you and I said, A, are you going to back off of any of this; B, are you going to tell me what's real and what's not real in the final version of the book. Did you do either of those?
THOR: I didn't back off on any of it. The book is exactly what you saw. There's a -- and again this is a thriller. The Last Patriot is a thriller, but there's a lot of little secrets that Islam doesn't want out there that I've incorporated into this book, but I did do what you said and at the end I have an author's note and I do say, hey, these are the true things that the book is based upon and this is where I took artistic license.
GLENN: Okay. This is -- I tell you, Brad, and I don't mean to fall all over you here on this but this is -- I read your book and I don't think I've ever read a book with the Internet, with the laptop by my side because -- I mean, I do that a lot with some books because so riddled with ADD. But your book -- for instance, the memorial that you talk about, the thing that used to be sitting in Washington D.C., the capital.
GLENN: And now has been moved to Annapolis, I had to look that up and see if that was real. I couldn't believe it.
THOR: It's true. And I guarantee you, Glenn, it's only a matter -- and that was a tribute to our brave men who died in defending this country when we first went to war with radical Islam during the time of Thomas Jefferson and I guarantee you one day we'll have some Muslim benevolence organization that wants it taken down because it's offensive to Muslims. I guarantee it will happen.
GLENN: I looked it up. What is the name of this thing? If you are listening and you happen to be by a computer, you've got to Google this. What's the name of this thing?
THOR: It's called the Tripoli Monument and it's at the naval academy in Annapolis.
GLENN: What is the line from the Marines?
THOR: From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.
GLENN: And I had no idea. It didn't even occur to me. I know the story of the pirates that were, you know, marauding and taking control of the seas and Thomas Jefferson had to go after the pirates. And I know the story about Tripoli kind of. I didn't realize, it didn't click to me that it was Islamic extremists that Thomas Jefferson was going after.
THOR: And that's exactly it. What's interesting is that our Navy, when we went to war with Great Britain in the Revolutionary War, we were protected by the Brits in the war. We were protected by the French in the war was over. And then once the war was over, the French said, okay, America, glad we could help out, good luck, you need to pay us back for everything we did for you. And we were alone on the high seas. And the Muslims of North Africa were the most horrific Barbarist pirates out there and Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with the Muslim ambassador to Tripoli in London to say -- they wanted to know, hey, we're not making war on you; why are you just killing our ships and taking our goods and everything? And the Muslim ambassador -- now, this is back in, like, 1784 -- said, well, it's written in our Qur'an that all nations which don't acknowledge the prophet Mohammed are sinners and we've got the right and it's our duty to plunder and enslave you and that any of our guys who die doing it go to paradise. It's exactly -- and congress said we need to smack these guys down, we cannot show weakness. And congress said, you know what, maybe we just pay them off, let's not go -- let's not cause any trouble, let's just pay them off the way the French and everybody else are doing right now.
GLENN: Just, it's amazing that the 1700s were dealing with the same thing and you saw the way Thomas Jefferson dealt with it.
Now, listen, I don't want to get off on the standard because this is not what the book is about.
THOR: No, that's the historical back drop for the book.
GLENN: This is going to sound like a boring history book and it's not a boring history book. This is one of the best action thrillers and I'm telling you I think this is the Da Vinci Code. Did you use any quotes from me?
THOR: Yes, he with did. I believe there are some quotes that they used in there. There's also -- of course, I put a -- you've been very helpful. I did put in a special acknowledgment to you. But I haven't seen the final stuff that the publisher's got going out.
GLENN: Yeah, I just wanted to know if they used, because I think this is a -- the way I felt about this book, this is the Da Vinci Code for Islam. As much as the Catholic church didn't want the Da Vinci Code to come out, this is the Da Vinci Code for Islam, except the Da Vinci Code was so much more fiction than this is. This is based on real historical fact, a lot of it, and it is absolutely -- I'm telling you, you're going to have a fatwa on you.
THOR: Well, you know, I've already had multiple death threats come in and that's something that we're taking very seriously with the tour coming up and everything, but I think it's important for me to tell your listeners, Glenn, what the story is based on is that the Prophet Muhammad had one final revelation, shared it with his disciples and was assassinated to keep it quiet and keep it off the core rand and if that revelation can be found today, it will completely reshape Islam and that's what the book I is based on. So you are right, it is not a historical book. This is a contemporary thriller and that's what the basis of the book is.
GLENN: Why did you write it?
THOR: You know, I've been fascinated. I hear all the time about Islam being a religion of peace and I thought, wow, that's weird, there's so much violence in there. And the more I study the Qur'an, the more I realize that it's kind of -- it's unlike the Bible. It's not organized chronologically. It's organized from longest chapters to shortest. So the stuff from the end of Mohammed's life, the real vile violence stuff abrogates the stuff in the beginning and I got to thinking, wow, I had heard all this stuff about Mohammed being assassinated potentially and I thought, what if he had a final revelation before he died and what if that could be found today. And then I started looking into a couple of very old finds of Qur'anic documents where the people who are studying them mysteriously started turning up dead and I thought, this is a great idea for a thriller. But the --
GLENN: Wait a minute. Are you talking about the Yemen discoveries and there's, I think Nazi era Germany they also found.
GLENN: And what did they find exactly?
THOR: Well, in the Yemen, the great mosque in Sana'a, Yemen in '74 they uncovered all of these parchments and fragments of parchments. They were other parts of the Qur'an and what they found when they started studying them was, uh-oh, there's stuff in here that doesn't look like the Qur'an today and we've gone around telling everybody that the Qur'an is perfect and now here are these discrepancies, let's shut it down and keep it quiet, let's not let anybody see it. And then we found out recently just within a couple of months ago that this big, big study of the Qur'an that the Nazis were doing we thought had been destroyed in World War II, and it turns out that the first guy who assembled this for the Nazis was killed in a mysterious climbing accident. His successor was killed in a plane crash. And then the guy that it was left to lied and died at 93, a few months ago. And when people were going through his stuff, they found out, wait a second, he lied and said this stuff had been destroyed in a bombing raid in World War II. He actually had it the whole time but he was so afraid of being murdered that he kept it secret and told everybody it was gone.
GLENN: Do you have any idea what's in that yet? Have they released what's in those documents?
THOR: No. And the Germans -- I mean, these are the same people that cancelled the opera because of --
GLENN: I know.
THOR: There's all of this fear that there's going to be this terrible reaction. So the Germans are saying it could take 15 years before we get all the studying done and all this stuff. So you know what? The one thing I've learned from doing my research is Islam has some very dark, very scary skeletons in its closet that it does not want out there, that it absolutely cannot defend.
GLENN: See, this is the kind of stuff that's going to get you killed.
THOR: But it's true.
GLENN: Right here. This is it.
THOR: Glenn, it's true. This stuff --
GLENN: You know what, I've said this to you before. I've said this to you before, and you and your wife sat in my office for a few minutes.
GLENN: And I -- did I not talk to your wife about it?
THOR: Yes, you --
GLENN: I'm done talking to you.
THOR: You sat us both down and you talked to her, yeah.
GLENN: And I said, don't be cavalier on this stuff. As a guy who, believe me, has seen it firsthand, don't be cavalier on this stuff. You know, you don't -- I mean, I hope you're -- when are you going on -- when does the book come out? Today or tomorrow?
THOR: The book comes out tomorrow morning. Tonight technically it's out.
GLENN: All right. When the book comes out, I will be shocked if you don't have massive backlash. When do you go on tour?
THOR: Tomorrow, my first tour stop is Chicago.
GLENN: Well, that's -- Chicago's, where are you going from there?
THOR: Islamabad, Tehran.
GLENN: I was going to say, I hope you picked carefully.
THOR: You know what, Glenn, I'll be across the country and my website, BradThor.com has got all the dates and everything. At the end of the day -- and you and I talked about this before. I really do not believe Islam is any more immune from criticism or fictionalization than Mormons of Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity. Islam is getting this free pass on so many levels and I just don't think that as an artist -- what I keep saying is I have a right to write whatever I want to write and that right is equaled by another right which is the right not to read it.
GLENN: Tell me about the Muslim brotherhood strategy memo that the U.S. Government had and then kept secret.
THOR: Recently in Dallas, and we need to get our prosecutors sharpened up a little bit because they've had a really hard time -- and again, it's tough to drive these things home but we had a terrorism financing trial in Dallas for something called the Islamic Holy Land Foundation.
THOR: And in it the United States government was forced to declassify something that they had captured in the raid of a suspected terrorist group Satas (ph), if you will, in Virginia. And what it is, it's the Muslim brotherhood's strategy memo where it talks about its strategy to wage stealth jihad, if you will, in the United States, to overthrow the United States from within. I mean, this stuff sounds like it's out of a novel, but it's true. And what the Muslim brotherhood said was, here's what we need to do; we're going to set up all of these Muslim civil rights organizations, these Muslim benevolence foundations and things like that across the United States to look like the NAACP and things like these. And what we're going to do is pretend like we're championing the civil rights of Muslims but what it will be doing is eroding the Constitution and democracy within the United States, doing this all from within. So things like getting pork off the menu at public schools, gym time --
GLENN: This is just, this came out in this court case in Dallas just recently. Your book -- because I know the way books are written -- written before that court case came out. That's exactly what is in your book as fiction.
THOR: Correct. Correct. I've been very -- listen, I saw this coming a long time ago. As I saw it is political correctness is one of our greatest weaknesses, and I said this on your show before that the biggest myth, the biggest lie we're being sold is political correctness, and this is from a British social commentator Pat Gondell (ph) who says we are being told that what we should think is more important than what we do think. So when we think, wow, you know what, America is wrong to separate men and women, you know, this is the way it is in this country and you're equal. But we're doing these things because we want to be sensitive to Islam. And we're setting up this kind of protected status. We're not -- I mean, look at the State Department. They won't even use the word "Jihad" anymore even though that's how the terrorists themselves describe it.
GLENN: I know you are all over this. Look at the State Department, what they are doing in that school in Virginia. The State Department will not close down the school, will not go after the school because it's a Saudi school. We've already had three people that have been arrested for terror. One of them was arrested and in jail now for an attempted assassination on President Bush. This is a extremist Muslim school in Virginia just, how many miles away from the capital of Washington?
THOR: I think it's within 10 miles. They've got -- it's Fairfax County and that person you just mentioned, he was the 1999 valedictorian of the school.
GLENN: I know, I know.
THOR: And voted most likely to martyr himself. And then they've got another guy, Ishmail --
GLENN: Wait, wait, wait. Seriously voted most --
THOR: Yeah, to martyr himself.
GLENN: That's in their annual? Is that like in the yearbook?
THOR: I'd love to see a copy of the yearbook. I don't know if it's in the yearbook but that's what -- I mean, that's report after report which said this is the guy most likely to martyr himself. Glenn, the school's financial officer and accountant had been arrested. He was photographing the support system under the Chesapeake Bay bridge. And he also refused to cooperate with the government in a financing investigation they were doing into Hamas. And then their director gets a report that a 5-year-old student, a 5-year-old little girl alleged she was being sexually molested by her father and two teachers and a principal wrote up the report and went to the school's director. This guy, what's his name? His name is Abdullah Al Shabnan and he said he didn't believe the little girl and deleted the report from the computer. Now he's been arrested for failing to report the child abuse. He said, I don't believe her and the parents should just get her counseling. I mean, but that one doesn't surprise me that much because I know how even dim I can child sexual abuse is throughout the Muslim world. But the fact that we allow this to go on here.
You know, I kind of --
GLENN: I mean, did you hear the fatwas being written right now? Do you hear the fatwas being sworn out on this guy right now?
THOR: Hey, if they actually did an investigation into the Islamic medrosas around the world, it would make what the Catholic priests are doing like a carnival, not to down play the seriousness of damage done to the Catholic church but we're talking hundreds of thousands of young men and boys who have been sexually molested in medrosas around the world. Listen, we keep saying that Islamists protect it, we can't do it, yet we're ready to charge into the Fundamentalist LDS compound down in Texas and pull all those kids out of there. And I'm not going to make a judgment on that but what I am making a judgment on is the fact that we see these horrible things happen in Islam every day and we don't even see mainstream Muslims standing up. Every day in this country we see a protest against the war, yet I see nothing in the Islamic world protesting the radicals who are supposedly hijacking Islam. Yet we've had 11,000 deadly attacks committed since 9/11 by Muslims in the name of Islam. You know, I'm tired of the double standard. It just doesn't make any sense.
GLENN: Brad Thor. The book comes out tomorrow. This one is worth standing in line at midnight for. I could not put this book down for a couple of reasons. You will read it and you'll think Brad Thor is a dead man. You want to read something that you just have never seen before, you want to see history of America that you've never seen before? You want to read a story that just will not let you go? This is one of those books that will, it will be with you all day long. You won't be able to wait to get back to read the rest of it the next night. It is fantastic. It is the Da Vinci Code of Islam. Brad Thor, good friend of mine, on his road tour starting tomorrow. Stay safe, my friend.
THOR: Thank you, Glenn.
GLENN: You bet. That is -- the name of the book again is The Last Patriot. Get it. It is fantastic.