Glenn Beck: Recycling overrated


STEPHEN MOORE


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GLENN: Stephen Moore's on with us. Stephen writes for the Wall Street Journal. Stephen, did you write today's Windjammers article or is that somebody else?

MOORE: Well, I contributed to it.

GLENN: You contributed? Because you just had an article out last week on the insanity of what is going on with energy, and anybody, anybody who says, "Oh, gee, if we just concentrate on alternative energy, everything would be fine because we're all going to get along." No, we're not. No, we're not.

MOORE: Well, no we're not. And you know there's this now proposal in congress called the Gang of Ten which just lops on $80 billion of subsidies but it doesn't allow any drilling and if we're going to have a sensible energy policy that makes us more independent of OPEC oil, we need to be very serious about drilling and nuclear power and coal and all these things that the left is adamantly against.

GLENN: Yeah, but they're not. Let's go over just a little bit of what you contributed in today's, in today's article on Windjammers. This is the most amazing thing that I have heard. This is the environmentalists, where there is solar and wind power being generated, they need the transmission lines.

MOORE: Right.

GLENN: To get the power to the people. What happens?

MOORE: They don't want the transmission lines. It's like when Ted Kennedy didn't want the wind turbines in his backyard. This is a big problem, folks. I don't want to burst people's bubble, but it turns out, Glenn, that wind and solar power aren't the great green energy sources that the left had said they are. And there's a couple of reasons for that. One is that they are incredibly land sensitive. So if you wanted to provide I mean, this is an amazing statistic. If you wanted to provide enough electricity to keep Manhattan lighted up at night, you'd have to convert the entire state of Connecticut into a giant wind turbine farm.

GLENN: Hold on just a second. I'm just thinking of you know, I live there. I'm just thinking of so there would be no people there. Just a wind farm.

MOORE: No, plus there would be none of the endangered species there, either.

GLENN: That would be fantastic. I like that idea. Somehow or another you are saying that's a bad idea.

MOORE: Well, I'll give you another example. People who think solar power is the source, you know, the power source of the future. If you wanted to light up Phoenix, Arizona with sun power, you'd have to have 100 square miles of solar energy paneling to provide enough electricity. These are crazy technologies. They are not good for the environment. They would industrialize the entire landscape of America.

GLENN: Here's the thing. On solar energy, solar energy is I believe on the verge of and when I say a verge, in the next 10 years on the verge of a revolution. MIT is doing some studies where they have found that 15 by 15 foot panels can now actually, they found a way to convert that to make hydrogen to actually run your home on hydrogen. Now they need to find a practical application, you know, somebody that in the business world that says, "Oh, I think I can do something with that" and make it affordable. But they now have the technology to do that. Ray Kurzweil is saying that nanotechnology in five years will make solar energy reasonable, yet we're still talking about five years before the technology arrives and probably 15 to 20 before everybody can have access to it.

MOORE: Well, I'm a little more skeptical on solar energy than you are, Glenn. I mean, I've been I remember the 1970s when people said that, you know, breakthroughs in solar power are going to be, you know, two or three or four years away. Look, I'm pro technology. I'm pro market. Whatever can succeed in the marketplace in the energy industry I'm in favor of. What I'm against is all these subsidies to pick winners and losers.

GLENN: Right.

MOORE: And that's what we're doing in Washington right now.

GLENN: All right. So let me just go through a couple of things here. Duke Energy and American Electric Power announced a billion dollar joint venture to build 240 miles of transmission lines in Indiana.

MOORE: Right.

GLENN: And they can't do it because of all of the red tape until 2014 at the bare minimum. In California there was a protest on the connection of the solar and geothermal fields from Imperial Valley to Los Angeles in Orange County. So that's not happening. Environmental class is lobbying state commissioners to kill another 150 mile link between San Diego and the solar panels because it would jaunt through a state park. It's happening not just in California but it's also happening in Oregon and all over the Dakotas, Carolina, upstate New York, Maine and elsewhere. Your article which I find amazing, garbage collectors in San Francisco may turn into cops.

MOORE: You can't make this stuff up, Glenn. I was in San Francisco a couple of weeks ago. Opened up the San Francisco Chronicle and, you know, San Francisco people believe that they are the most progressive in the country.

GLENN: And they are.

MOORE: They want to have not optional recycling but they want to make it mandatory. They want to have up to $1,000 fines for, you know, throwing the Gatorade bottle in the wrong trash bin. And they are now going to have, as you just said, trash cops that go through people's garbage to make sure they're throwing the newspapers and the pie crusts and the steak bones and all this stuff in the right containers. I mean, this stuff is out of control.

GLENN: But they're saying that they don't want to fine people. They just want to change people's behavior.

MOORE: Well, you know, you can do that if you charge people enough for this. I mean, it's happening all over the country. In Seattle now they've put these tags on people's garbage bins. They call them scarlet letters so that, you know, if people aren't properly recycling, they can be the scourge of the neighborhood.

GLENN: Wait. My hometown of Seattle, you know they got rid of styrofoam cups and plates and plastic knives and forks? Did you know that?

MOORE: Yeah.

GLENN: I mean, Seattle, what the hell has happened to you? I mean, you know what hang on just a second. I just want to have a conversation with Seattle. I grew up in the Seattle area. I know it. And before I left, my grandmother sat me down and she said, you tell everybody you know, everybody you meet that everybody always says, oh, Seattle I hear is so beautiful. She said to me, you tell everybody that it rains like no place else. She was dead serious. And I said, grandma, it does rain like no place else. And she said, good, then you don't have to lie. Just make sure you emphasize that. And I said, you just don't want people moving up here. And she said, Glenn, all of the people that are too crazy for California are moving up here and they're going to wreck this state. And my grandmother was right!

MOORE: She was right. And, you know, I think if there's one place in the United States that may be more whacko left than San Francisco, it might be Seattle. And your grandmother was right. You know, people move up there because there's no income tax and California has taxes through the wazoo. But then they get up there and they want to

GLENN: They want to turn it into what they had.

MOORE: Exactly.

GLENN: That's the way when I lived in Phoenix, everybody says, oh, you've got to move to Phoenix because your allergies won't be bad. When I moved down to Phoenix, it wasn't a desert anymore. Everybody was watering. They were taking their plants from up north and they were watering. I'm like, what the hell is wrong with you? Now you're going to have allergies. I mean, it's just crazy what people do. Stephen, hang on just a second because I've got to get into the, I've got to get into the Ted Turner thing. Not that I like to just poke Ted Turner every once in a while but I've got to get into the Ted Turner thing with you here in just a sec. Back with Stephen Moore from the Wall Street Journal coming up in just a second and your phone calls. The number's 888 727 BECK, 888 727 BECK.

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GLENN: 888 727 BECK, 888 727 BECK. So Stephen Moore who writes for the Wall Street Journal, we're having a conversation about how the environmental Nazis are, you know, making people in seats, they are putting a tag on your trash can which is basically the Scarlet Letter if you haven't recycled your trash properly. They want to charge you a $1,000 fine and have garbage collectors be trash cops, recycle cops. It's craziness what's going on. But you're actually, because of this article, you are actually feeling all kinds of heat, aren't you?

MOORE: Well, yeah. I think a lot of the environmental benefits, and I hate to again burst people's bubbles because, you know, there are some advantages environmentally to recycling, but Glenn, they have been vastly exaggerated. Vastly exaggerated. You know, the ultimate by the way is people who get in their cars, they have got maybe a couple of pounds of recycled goods and then they drive eight miles to go to the recycling center, you know, to dump this stuff off.

GLENN: Give me some stats on why you say it's exaggerated?

MOORE: Well, there's a couple of reasons. One is it takes a lot of energy, you know, to recycle and so

GLENN: Okay. So you're saying let's say because there's thousands and thousands and thousands of Nancy Pelosi books that will never be sold. You're saying that grinding those up back into pulp and make them into another, a successful book like

MOORE: Like the Glenn Beck?

GLENN: Yes. That's a waste of energy? We should just

MOORE: It's not a waste of energy, but the energy, the benefits in terms of, to the environment are de minimis. They are very small.

GLENN: Okay.

MOORE: In some cases, by the way, you know, industry does a lot of recycling when it makes economic sense to do that. But there's this kind of religion out there that it's always the right thing to recycle and in many cases it's much better for the environment to just bury the stuff.

GLENN: Like what?

MOORE: Oftentimes newspapers, oftentimes plastics and things like that that will just degrade over time.

GLENN: Okay.

MOORE: And one of the points I made in the article is there's this myth out there that America's running out of landfill space which is absolutely nuts. I mean, the one thing we have plenty of room for, it's landfill.

GLENN: Have you ever been to the Dakotas? I mean, no offense North or South Dakota. Although, North Dakota, South Dakota's been talking behind your back.

MOORE: We finally found a use for the Dakotas.

GLENN: I mean, there's a ton of space out there.

MOORE: Well, I made the point in the article which was kind of a fun one is that in Montana our friend Ted Turner owns giant amounts of acreage on his ranches and if we converted the Ted Turner ranch into a landfill, we would have enough space on his, on his ranch alone, Glenn, to contain all of the garbage in America for the next 100 years and he would still have 50,000 acres for his bison and his horses.

GLENN: So wait a minute. Hang on. I'm having a hard time, first of all, getting my arms around Ted Turner being a trash collector or being surrounded by trash. I have a hard time believing that one. For the next 100 years. Huh.

MOORE: Now, I have to confess. He owns a whole heck of a lot of property.

GLENN: Yeah, I believe he's the largest single landowner in America, is he not?

MOORE: He's up there. If not number one, he's in the top three.

GLENN: Yeah, makes me feel good. Because I know what he's going to do. He is going to donate that land to either the United Nations

MOORE: Or the Sierra Club.

GLENN: To the Sierra Club and it will never, ever be allowed to be touched.

MOORE: Let's see if they discover oil on that land.

GLENN: Or until the peasants revolt. So are you getting

MOORE: Oh, my gosh, you would think I would have assaulted people's daughters.

GLENN: Which you haven't.

MOORE: I was in this friend's house in San Francisco and I tossed the Gatorade bottle, the plastic Gatorade bottle into the glass container. Oh, my God. Glenn, you would and this was a friend of mine. You would have thought I had made a pass at his daughter. I mean, it was unbelievable. I mean, he just erupted in rage. And this gets to the point I'm trying to make is this has really become a religion. There's a really fun point I have in the article, by the way. You know they are not calling these recycling centers anymore. You know what the new name for these things are now? Reformation. Reformation centers. Redemption, redemption centers.

GLENN: Redemption centers. Okay, I was going to say I've got something to nail to their door.

MOORE: So one of the points I made is whatever happened to liberals who wanted to separate church and state.

GLENN: Redemption. I can redeem you, with paper or plastic. Stephen, thanks a lot, man, I appreciate it.

MOORE: Thank you, Glenn. Bye.

For the first time in the history of "The Glenn Beck Program," former President Donald Trump joined Glenn to give his take on America's direction under President Joe Biden compared to his own administration. He explained why Biden's horrific Afghanistan withdrawal was "not even a little bit" like his plan, and why he thinks it was "the most embarrassing event in the history of our country."

Plus, the former president gave his opinion on China's potential takeover of Bagram Air Base, the Pakistani Prime Minister, and Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Glenn asked President Trump how similar the Biden administration's withdrawal from Afghanistan was to his administration's plan.

"Not even a little bit," Trump answered. "We had a great plan, but it was a very tenuous plan. It was based on many conditions. For instance, you can't kill American soldiers. ... You have to understand, I did want to get out. But I wanted to get out with dignity, and I wanted to take our equipment out. And I didn't want soldiers killed. ... What [Biden] did was just indefensible. He took the military out first and he left all the people. And then we became beggars to get the people out. I had a plan to get them out very quickly. But first, the Americans would go out."

Trump told Glenn that his plan included maintaining Bagram Air Base and explained why he would not have left "a single nail" behind in Afghanistan for the Taliban to seize.

"We were going to keep Bagram open," he explained. "We were never going to close that because, frankly, Bagram is more about China than it is about Afghanistan. It was practically on the other border of China. And now we've lost that. And you know who is taking it over? China is taking it over. We spend $10 billion to build that base. It's got the longest, most powerful runways in the world. And China has now got its representatives there and it looks like they'll take it over. Glenn, it's not believable what's happened. You know, they have Apache helicopters. These are really expensive weapons, and they have 28 of them. And they're brand-new. The latest model."

Glenn mentioned recent reports that Gen. Milley, America's top military officer, made "secret phone calls" to his counterpart in China while President Trump was in office.

"I learned early on that he was a dope," Trump said of Gen. Milley. "He made a statement to me — and I guarantee that's what happened to Biden — because I said, 'We're getting out of Afghanistan. We have to do it.' And I said, 'I want every nail. I want every screw. I want every bolt. I want every plane. I want every tank. I want it all out, down to the nails, screws, bolts ... I want every single thing. And he said, 'Sir, it's cheaper to leave it than it is to bring it.'

"The airplane might have cost $40 million, $50 million ... millions and millions of dollars. So, you think it's cheaper to leave it than to have 200 pilots fly over and fly all the equipment out? ... I said, you've got to be nuts. I mean, give me a tank of gas and a pilot and I just picked up a $40 million-dollar airplane. It was amazing. So, I learned early that this guy is a dope. But what he did, is he hurt our country ... and he shouldn't have been allowed to do it. And bad things should happen to him."

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In a shocking but underreported conversation ahead of the G7 Speakers' meeting in London last week, Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi admitted that the administration knows China is committing "genocide" against the Uyghurs in the Xinjiang region, but thinks working with the regime on climate change is more important.

On the radio program, an outraged Glenn Beck dissected Pelosi's speech and broke down how — along with the Biden administration's abandonment of Americans in Afghanistan, and the Democrat decision to follow measures of medical "equity" — the far left is revealing how little they really care about human life.

Glenn played a video clip of Pelosi making the following statement:

We've always felt connected to China, but with their military aggression in the South China Sea, with their continuation of genocide with the Uyghurs in Xinjiang province there, with their violation of the cultural, linguistic, religious priority of Tibet, with their suppression of democracy in Hong Kong and other parts of China, as well – they're just getting worse in terms of suppression, and freedom of speech. So, human rights, security, economically [sic].

Having said all of that ... we have to work together on climate. Climate is an overriding issue and China is the leading emitter in the world, the U.S. too and developed world too, but we must work together.

"We have Nancy Pelosi admitting the United States of America knows that they're not only committing [genocide], they're continuing to commit it. Which means, we've known for a while," Glenn noted. "And what does she say? She goes on to say, yes, they're committing genocide against the Uyghurs, but having said that, I'm quoting, 'the overriding issue,' is working together on climate change.

"Would we have worked with Hitler on climate change? Would we have worked with Hitler on developing the bomb? Would we have worked with Hitler on developing the Autobahn? Would we have worked with Hitler on his socialized medicine? Would we have worked with Hitler on any of his national, socialist ideas?" he asked.

"The answer is no. No. When you're committing genocide, no! She said 'we have to work together on climate,' because climate is the 'overriding issue.' The overriding issue? There is no way to describe this mindset. That, yes, they are killing an entire group of people because of their ethnicity or religion. They are systematically rounding them up, using them for slave labor, and killing them, using their organs and selling them on the open market. They are nothing more than cattle. For us to recognize it and do nothing about it is bad enough. But to say, 'we recognize it, but we have bigger things to talk to them about,' is a horror show."

Glenn went on to urge Americans to "stand up together in love, peace, and harmony," or risk watching our nation become the worst plague on human life yet.

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The fall of Lehman Brothers in 2008 marked the largest bankruptcy filing in U.S. history and economic collapse was felt throughout the world. But now China's own version of Lehman Brothers, Evergrande, is teetering closer and closer to that edge, too. On the radio program Thursday, Glenn Beck gave the latest update and predicted how it will affect Asian markets and what it could mean for America's economy.

Glenn explained why he believes a major collapse that is happening now in China will have a cascading effect into a "controlled collapse," a managed decline that will dramatically change America's economy and the way we all live.

"You will not recognize your lifestyle. Hear me," Glenn warned. "And that's not a right-left thing. That's a right-wrong thing. We're on the wrong track. I'm telling you now, there's new information and you are not going to recognize the American lifestyle. ... It could happen tomorrow. It could happen in five years from now, but it will happen. We are headed for a very different country. One where you don't have the rights that you have. And you certainly don't have the economic privileges that Americans are used to."

"The same thing that happened in 2008 is now happening in China," Glenn continued. "This time, it's going to take everything down. When it collapses, it will take everything down."

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Justin Haskins, editorial director of the Heartland Institute, joined Glenn Beck on the radio program to expose a shocking conversation between two Great Reset proponents — Klaus Schwab, chairman of the World Economic Forum, and Christine Lagarde, president of the European Central Bank (Europe's equivalent to the Fed).

The way Schwab and Lagarde discuss the role central banks should play in establishing societal norms, determining your way of life, and defending against potential crisis is proof that the Great Reset is upon us, Justin explained. And the scariest part is that they're not even trying to hide it. The entire, unbelievable conversation has been published on the WEF website, which you can read here.

Glenn read an excerpt from the conversation:

Christine Lagarde: At the ECB, we have now wrapped up and concluded our strategy review, which was the first one in 17 years. And I was blessed to have an entire Governing Council unanimously agree that the fight against climate change should be one of the considerations that we take when we determine monetary policy. So at least the European Central Bank is of the view that climate change is an important component in order to decide on monetary policy. ...

Can we arrive at that trade-off between fighting climate change, preserving biodiversity and yet securing enough growth to respond to legitimate demands of the population? And my first answer, Klaus, to be firm, is that to have a way of life, we need life. And in the medium term, we do have major threats on the horizon that could cause the death of hundreds of thousands of people. So we have to think life, first. We have to think way of life, second. ...

So we have to think life, first. We have to think way of life, second. How can we come together to make sure that we secure the first priority, which is life, and also protect the way of life that people have? And make sure that the cost of it is not so high for some people, that they just cannot tolerate it. I think that the trade-off that we reach will probably require some redistribution, because it is clear that the most exposed people, the less privileged people are those that are going to need some help.

"Do you understand, America, what that means?" Glenn exclaimed. "You have elites, that you never elected, that are having these meetings ... deciding what is a legitimate need for you. And telling you that your needs are going to go away in your lifetime. You may not see a time where you get wants again. Just your needs are going to be addressed. Am I reading this wrong?"

"This is absolutely what is being said here," Justin agreed. "She's very clear that we need to make sure that way of life is second to life. We have to save all these people, hundreds of thousands of people are going to die from this supposedly existential threat of climate change. And their wants, and their desires, and their quality of living, all of that has to come second."

"This is a central bank saying this. This is not an elected official, who is accountable directly to the people. This is a central bank saying, we're going to print money. We're going to use monetary policy, to impose these ideas, to rework society in order to accomplish our goals," Justin added, addressing Lagarde's call for "some redistribution."

Will Great Reset elites — not elected by the U.S. — soon be dictating to the rest of the world? Watch the video clip below to hear Glenn and Justin break it down:

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