Flynn on Torture



GLENN: Last night I finished Protect and Defend by Vince Flynn. Vince is one of my favorite authors. He writes great fiction novels with Mitch Rap and he's kind of like, kind of makes Kiefer Sutherland look like a puss, and this is, Protect and Defend, is about Iran and how the United States, how the whole thing unfolds, and I've got to tell you, Vince, I hope we're doing half the stuff in your book.

FLYNN: We're looking at a lot of it, yeah. I think unfortunately Iraq has made a lot of people in Washington nervous. We talked about this years ago. I agree that the plan was to go in, stabilize Iraq and then spread democracy.

GLENN: Democracy.

FLYNN: In quotations across our border and because that didn't work as well as we would have liked, although there are some great signs lightly.

Protect and Defend: A Thriller

by Vince Flynn

GLENN: Yeah. Didn't you hear just in, where was it, Mosul they just had a 5k run yesterday. Stu, you have to look that up. They just had a 5k run. This is one of the most, or al -- I can't remember. Look it up. It was one of the most dangerous places in Iraq a year ago. 5k run.

FLYNN: It's amazing the progress that has been made and in fact, how under -- there's this eerie silence right now. A couple of headlines yesterday, lowest death toll, October, in six years, yeah, whatever. And people -- no one's really talking about it.

GLENN: Yeah. Isn't that weird?

FLYNN: Well, what's going to be fascinating, you talk about this all the time, is to see how the Democratic candidates handle this.

GLENN: They're not.

FLYNN: They're not. They just say this is bad.

GLENN: They are going to go right to healthcare.

FLYNN: This goes back to my very first book, Term Limits, where politicians -- now I'm a registered Republican. I'm more libertarian in nature.

GLENN: Yeah.

FLYNN: But there's good politicians on both sides of the aisle.

GLENN: Yeah.

FLYNN: And there's no doubt that in my book Term Limits which has now seen a resurgence, it's all about politicians doing whatever they need to do to stay in power or get back into power, and we're going to see that in the next two -- you know, the next year. It's going to be mind --

GLENN: We've already seen it.

FLYNN: We've already seen it, but what makes this so disgusting is that we've got young men and women over there who have volunteered to go fight and these people are playing politics with their life.

GLENN: Let's take this. Front page of the New York Times today. Nominee stands may avoid tangle of torture cases. This is the attorney general saying I don't know if waterboarding is torture, et cetera.

FLYNN: Because Glenn, we both know torture doesn't work, right? Torture never works.

GLENN: Never works.

FLYNN: Which is the biggest line of bunk. Torture works, and all the proof you need to understand -- and I'm not talking Saddam and Uday and Qusay torture. You don't sit a guy down and say, here's your 13-year-old daughter, we're going to gang rape you if you don't talk. That guy will say anything. I'm talking about a situation that's almost clinical in nature where you keep somebody, they are being reviewed by a physician and a psychiatrist, you keep them up days on end, you question, question, question.

GLENN: This was my problem and so many listeners came hunting for my head after Abu Ghraib. I was against Abu Ghraib and I said, because it didn't look like it was done by professionals, what was that, stacking people in a pyramid.

FLYNN: Do you know what that was? And I'm telling you this was the honest to God truth. That was a intelligence officer leaving at the end of the day and said, listen, keep these guys up; we need to interrogate them in the morning; don't let them sleep. So these other guys with no supervision decide, how are we going to keep them up? Let's have some fun.

GLENN: Right.

FLYNN: Senator McCain a couple of years ago wrote torture doesn't work, torture's not the answer, it lowers us to our enemy, whatever. The example he used is that when he was in the Hanoi Hilton, they asked him repeatedly, name the other aviators in your squadron and he smiles and says, I told them the starting lineup for the Green Bay Packers. Well, and I have respect for Senator McCain but that was almost 40 years ago. Today Mohammed whoever gives you the starting lineup for the Pakistani lawn bowling team or whatever, you go on the Internet, you Google it, we have databases tied into customs offices all around the world.

GLENN: Right.

FLYNN: These, the reason why torture eventually works, and we tell our own aviators and we tell our spies and we tell our special forces guys, you will break. That's how our guys are trained. No one survives it. You will break and you will end up telling them everything. All we can ask of you is that you hold out long enough so we can get assets out of the way.

So if we're telling our own guys that you will all break, why do we have this debate that it absolutely doesn't work? And I want to back off something. I choose to call it rough interrogation, not torture, and I know Amnesty International's going to say you're out of your mind, but there's a big difference between cutting off someone's limb or crushing their testicles or forcing them to watch their family get gang raped than keeping a guy up and playing Barney music over and over and over.

GLENN: Well, hang on. Let me go two places with you. First of all, the bullcrap that's happening in Washington right now with the politicians where they're saying waterboard, you know, what is the attorney general stand, well, I asked congress the same thing, what is your stand. They have had two opportunities to outlaw waterboarding. They won't outlaw it.

FLYNN: Exactly.

GLENN: So you can't have it both ways.

FLYNN: Here's the question every American should ask themselves and our politicians should be forced to ask -- to answer.

GLENN: Yeah.

FLYNN: The week before 9/11, Zachariah Moussaoui was arrested in Minneapolis. He was not a U.S. citizen. He showed up with $40,000 in cash to learn how to fly, not take off or land a jumbo jet.

GLENN: Right.

FLYNN: Okay? We never turned on his laptop, we never talked to him because we were so afraid. Somebody in Washington didn't think we could even get the FISA request. So we didn't go for it. They should all be -- this one question. If you could turn back the clock right now, would you want -- would you be okay with somebody like Mitch Rap or Jack Bauer going into that guy's jail cell and talking to him and getting some answers out of him. They should have to ask that --

GLENN: I don't know if talking is exactly what Jack Bauer or Mitch Rap does.


GLENN: In your book, Protect and Defend, when does it came out?

FLYNN: It came out yesterday -- two days ago.

GLENN: Two days ago? It's really great. And if you are a listener to this program and you are up on what's happening in Iran, I've got to tell you, and I want to spend some time talking to you about what you know and when did you know it because this is riddled with the truth and I can tell you know more than the average bear. In it Mitch Rap at the end, you just said you're against somebody taking somebody's testicle. This guy, this guy in the end not only takes testicles but he collects the other parts attached to that area of the body and throws them at people. I mean, it's --

FLYNN: But that, the scenario painted in the book is for his, his world, it is the ticking time bomb. It is literally. You've got like an hour to find out what is going on here. How are you going to handle -- what are you going to do with these three individuals that you captured literally with their hand in the cookie jar. There is no question that they're guilty. There's no question of guilt or innocence. This isn't some father you pulled out of a cafe in Baghdad and had no idea if he's guilty or not. These guys were caught red handed. And I'm sorry. We need more pragmatic people to wage this war on terror.

GLENN: I have to tell you, at one point he is on -- the main character in the book is on the phone with the President and all the advisors there in the room and, you know, he just, he unloads on them and just says, "enough, enough! This is a war."


GLENN: "You guys don't have any idea." And it was so gratifying and so real to life to see -- you know this is what they're saying. "Wait a minute, do you know how many investigations there are going to be and there's going to be this," and finally somebody -- you know, it's your good guy in the character, in the book says enough.

FLYNN: Yeah.

GLENN: Do you want to win or not.

FLYNN: We're over here, bombs are falling, people are dying and you're talking about politics.

GLENN: Yeah. 


The Senate Judiciary Committee was set to vote on subpoenas to compel Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg to testify on alleged censorship and bias across their platforms. But that all changed when Republican committee members "expressed reservation about the maneuver," Politico reports.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who chairs Judiciary's Subcommittee on the Constitution, was definitely not one of the committee members with cold feet. On the radio program Tuesday, he told Glenn Beck that he's fighting "vociferously" to ensure Dorsey and others testify before the November 3rd election.

"Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg are both going to testify. They're are going to testify in person. They're going to testify before Election Day. That's what I think should happen," Cruz said. "That's what I'm fighting vociferously to happen. Right now, the companies are negotiating with the chairman's office to discuss terms to come voluntarily. I don't give a damn whether they come voluntarily or under subpoena. They need to testify in person and answer questions for the American people about why they are trying to steal this election, to suppress the free speech, and to censor the press."

The subpoenas would require Big Tech leaders to testify on the alleged "suppression and/or censorship" of two consecutive blockbuster stories from the New York Post. The first story was about emails that allegedly came from Hunter Biden's computer which are currently being investigated by the FBI, and the second was based on additional emails that allegedly showed communist China directly offering millions of dollars to then-Vice President Joe Biden.

"Big Tech stepped in, and they've done something they've never done before," Cruz explained. "We know that Big Tech has been censoring individual conservatives, trying to suppress conservative speech. But the step they took here is, they blocked if any individual user tried to share either of the New York Post stories, [they] were blocked ... Sharing a news story, from a major media outlet is part of democracy, part of free speech. And not only that, they blocked the New York Post itself. Right now, today, the New York Post is not being allowed to post its own damn stories on corruption. This is ridiculous. It's a threshold that's never been crossed before, of Silicon Valley oligarchs declaring the authority to determine what the press is allowed to report, and who is allowed to see it."

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If we learned nothing from the media over the past 4 years it's that colluding with a foreign entity to either win an election or for personal gain is absolutely grotesque. Well, that depends on whether you have a (D) or (R) before your name anyway. President Trump was impeached on rumor and innuendo yet Joe Biden has all but skated on his corruption up to this point.

Below is a timeline that shows the level of corruption and the lengths the Biden's went to in order to build that family's wealth and influence internationally.


In 2009, Joe Biden was the brand-new Vice President and John Kerry was a U.S. Senator. Just five months after Joe was sworn in, his son Hunter, and Kerry's stepson, Christopher Heinz, formed an international private equity firm called Rosemont Capital. It had several different branches, including one called Rosemont Seneca Partners.


Just nine months after Rosemont Seneca opened its doors, Hunter Biden went to China for meetings with executives from China's biggest banks, and its sovereign wealth and social security funds. That's unheard-of access for a brand-new firm. Was it just coincidence that at the same time Hunter was meeting these Chinese bigwigs, his dad was meeting with China's then-president Hu Jintao in Washington DC at a nuclear security summit?


In May 2011, Joe Biden met with Chinese officials for the U.S.-China Strategic & Economic Dialogue conference in Washington. Just two weeks later, Hunter Biden went to Taiwan for meetings with the same Chinese financial giants he'd met in China in 2010, plus some new ones.


By December 2013, Joe Biden was enjoying his second term as VP, and John Kerry was now Secretary of State. That's when Joe traveled to Beijing on an extended official trip and Hunter traveled with him on Air Force Two.

During their stay, Vice President Biden met with President Xi and Hunter was mostly out of sight. We don't know exactly what he was up to, but the deal finalized between Rosemont Seneca and the Bank of China just ten days after the Bidens' trip pretty much gives it away. The most powerful financial institution in China formed a joint venture with tiny Rosemont Seneca to create a giant new investment firm called Bohai Harvest RST – the "RS" stands for Rosemont Seneca.

The firm is often called "BHR" for short.

Hunter Biden was a member of the Board. Remember, the Bank of China is government-owned, which means its business is completely intertwined with the goals of the Chinese Communist Party. BHR also got the freedom to operate in the newly created Shanghai Free-Trade Zone where, over the next six years, it would use $2.5 billion of Chinese government money to invest in China, as well as in other countries, including the U.S.

During their Beijing trip, Hunter also introduced Jonathan Li to his dad. Li is Hunter's business partner – he's CEO and Director of BHR.

Hunter arranged for Joe to meet Li in the lobby of the hotel where they stayed during their Beijing trip.


In 2014, one of BHR's first major investments was in the China General Nuclear Power Corporation.

CGN is a Chinese government-owned nuclear power company that sold off a stake of the company to outside investors. Problem is, CGN was under FBI investigation for paying informants in the U.S. to steal nuclear secrets.

In 2016, the FBI arrested the ringleader of this nuclear espionage, a man named Allen Ho.

When they arrested Ho, he was using a random code generator to access funds being provided to him from – where else? – the Bank of China.

Yet while this FBI probe was going on, the son of the Vice President owned a stake in the company being investigated. And even after arrests were made, Rosemont Seneca did not alter its relationship with BHR, nor did it divest from CGN, even though it was stealing U.S. nuclear secrets.


In 2015, BHR partnered with the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) to buy an American company called Henniges for $600 million.

AVIC is a gigantic military contractor in China – think Lockheed Martin – that makes fighter jets, bombers and drones. BHR bought 49% of Henniges and AVIC bought 51%.

Henniges is a precision parts manufacturer specializing in anti-vibration technology. The stuff they make is known as "dual use" by the U.S. State Department, which means the technology can also have a military application.

Because of that, the deal had to be approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S. (CFIUS) since it could have national security implications. The thing is, the American side of BHR – meaning Hunter Biden and his pals – had to know there were serious national security implications with AVIC.

The year before they formed a partnership with AVIC, the Wall Street Journal reported how AVIC stole technology related to the U.S. Air Force's F-35 stealth fighter and used it in its own stealth fighter for the Chinese.

How the Committee on Foreign Investment approved that deal remains a mystery. CFIUS does not publicly disclose any information regarding its decisions. Their findings are not publicly announced.

Interesting that China accounted for the largest share – with 74 transactions – approved by CFIUS during Obama's second term (2013-2015).

Under the umbrella of Rosemont Capital was a real estate company called Rosemont Realty. In 2015, a Chinese company called Gemini Investments bought a 75% stake in Rosemont Realty. The company was renamed Gemini Rosemont

Gemini brought $3 billion to the partnership with Rosemont, with the aim of buying "Class A institutional-quality commercial office properties in U.S. markets."

Red flag (literally) – Gemini Investments is a subsidiary of the China Ocean Shipping Company, a.k.a., "COSCO."

COSCO is a Chinese government-owned company. Its headquarters in Beijing is actually next to the headquarters of the Bank of China. COSCO is well-known for its close military ties. It's essentially a branch of the Chinese Navy.


In 2017, BHR invested in Face++. That's the facial recognition phone app built by a Chinese company that is incorporated in a separate app built by the Chinese government. Police in the Xinjiang [Sin-jong] region of China use that app to keep tabs on citizens, and track and detain Uiguhr [Wee-ger] Muslims.

The app allows police easy access to data about Chinese Muslims including things like religious activity, blood type, and even the amount of electricity they use.


In March 2018, a spokesman (Chris Bastardi) for Christopher Heinz (John Kerry's stepson) emailed The Hill to say that Heinz had "no operating role" in Rosemont Seneca, and that he was not involved in any of Rosemont's deals in China (which contradicts Schweizer's report in his book Secret Empires).

Chris Heinz was involved in Rosemont Capital. Rosemont Seneca was established under the same GP as Rosemont Capital, but Chris Heinz had no operating role in it. Chris and his family have no financial interest or investment in Bohai Harvest RST, he has never traveled to China, and he has never met with the firm's Chinese management team or investors.


In October 2019, Hunter Biden's lawyer, George Mesires, said Hunter did not conduct any business on that 2013 trip to Beijing with his Dad.

Mesires said the timing of BHR's business license getting approved was purely coincidental because the paperwork had been submitted months before the Bidens' China trip.

According to Hunter's lawyer, the approval " was not related in any way, shape or form to Hunter's visit."

Hunter Biden finally stepped down from the BHR board last October (2019), but he DID NOT give up his 10% stake in the company.

When Bevan Cooney — the former "junior" business partner to Hunter Biden and Devon Archer — went to jail in 2019, investigative reporter and New York Times bestselling author Peter Schweizer thought he'd never gain access to the damning emails Cooney had promised. That all changed three weeks ago when Schweizer was given complete access to Cooney's gmail account.

Schweizer joined Glenn Beck on the radio program Tuesday to describe just some of the business deals revealed within these emails — like Hunter working with an alleged Russian criminal and with Chinese communists to secure their assets, or to secure one-on-one time with his dad, then-Vice President Joe Biden. And all of this new information is completely separate from the emails allegedly discovered on Hunter Biden's laptop recently reported by the New York Post.

"So, I want to make this clear. This [Cooney's emails] has nothing to do with what's on the laptop … It didn't come from [Rudy] Giuliani. It didn't come from anybody else, right?" Glenn asked Schweizer.

"That's absolutely correct," Schweizer confirmed.

He briefly explained how Cooney, a former Los Angeles nightclub owner, is currently serving a prison sentence for his involvement in a fraudulent business bond scheme with Biden and Archer. From prison, Cooney gave Schweizer written permission to access his Gmail account.

"This is really important," he noted. "We're not looking at printouts. Not looking at PDFs. We're actually in his Gmail accounts themselves, sifting through these emails. And there's a shocking amount of information about deals involving China, involving Russia, involving all sorts of things they were trying to pull off."

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The king of "No Spin" and bestselling author of "Killing Crazy Horse," Bill O'Reilly joined Glenn Beck on this week's podcast to talk about the latest developments in Joe Biden's Ukraine and China corruption scandal. Now that some of the details are finally coming out in the open, does the average Democrat care? Maybe, but the Left doesn't seem to.

O'Reilly argued there's more hatred for President Donald Trump now than in 2016, and that some people hate President Trump so much that they'd rather vote for the "senile, corrupt" Joe Biden.

"Hunter got tens of millions of dollars from Ukraine, from Russia, from China because his father was vice president. I have no doubt in my mind," O'Reilly said. "But the hatred for Donald Trump overrides that in the minds of millions of viewers. They're saying, 'You know, we'd rather have the senile corrupt guy than Trump.'"

Asked by Glenn if any other Republican running for president would be met with the same level of vitriol, O'Reilly answered, "The Left is the Left. They don't like America. The want to redo the Constitution. They want to take some of our freedoms, like the Second Amendment and the First Amendment, and change them. And they want to destroy capitalism and replace it with a big centralized government in Washington that controls the economy … but I'm talking about the folks. I have liberal friends and I say to them, 'Do you not understand that when you vote for Biden, you're voting against your own self interest?'"

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