Glenn talks with Fred Thompson


Fred Thompson

GLENN: Third most listened to show in all of America. From Rockefeller Plaza in Midtown Manhattan, third most listened to show. Hello, you sick twisted freak. Welcome to it. Little pig, little pig, let me in. Do you feel like the big bad wolf today saying to the House, I'm going to blow your house down if you let me in? Little pig, little pig, my gosh what did they do last night in the Senate? Oh, I am for a bailout but the wool research and the NASCAR tracks kind of make this feel really dirty. But maybe it's just me. And Sarah Palin, tonight the big debate. Sarah, just go out and be yourself. And if you flub it, if you screw it up, then go back to Alaska and keep working on it and come back. Just don't change. Don't let them win. I swear to you I don't know why people -- I don't know why people run sometimes. I really don't. I think this is why Fred Thompson was kind of like, oh, jeez, really? All right, I really don't want the job but, okay, I'll do it. Fred Thompson is with us now. Hello, Fred, how are you, sir?

SENATOR THOMPSON: Hello, Glenn. Hey, man, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you, okay?

GLENN: (Laughing). Run for your life! Jeez, Fred. Let me ask you this: Could you have voted for this last night?

SENATOR THOMPSON: Look, I'm here today with John McCain's folks and with Sarah Palin and I'm focused on her today and I've got a lot of thoughts about this other but, you know, it's not my place just to give my own personal opinions all day when I'm here on their behalf. I will say that the thing that concerns me the most is not that they've come up with a big bill. It's that there's not been time enough. It takes them six months to change a light bulb up there ordinarily and they were kind of giving a (inaudible) and no hearings and none of that. I'd feel a whole lot better about it if we had some other alternatives that were truly considered and some other experts contacted and gotten their ideas who are coming out now, Isaac and Larry Lindsey and people like that who have a great deal of confidence in, who haven't been talked to about it. I'm just not at all sure, from the outside looking in, but not at all sure that we've explored all the options here.

GLENN: That's the longest answer I've ever heard for, these people are fools. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. I mean, it's working so far. The Dow is down 232 points.

Anyway, so let's talk about Sarah Palin. How do you -- people are saying that the McCain people have boxed her in. I don't know if it's the McCain people as much as it is the media. I think she is so afraid of making mistakes now because everything -- I mean, the question that she had on television the other day, "Where do you get your news, where do you get your news, where do you get your news." What do they think? The Dummy Times? She can read. What difference does that make?

SENATOR THOMPSON: That's all about them.

GLENN: Yeah, how do you not lose your confidence when everyone is trying to kill you?

SENATOR THOMPSON: She has undergone what -- I don't know of anybody else in public life since I've been around has gone through. She's undergone a frenzied attack on her and her family and, you know, everything from having her e-mail hacked into, to criticism of her children and her life and they've descended on Alaska, you know, they got more lawyers up there than they got polar bears now trying to dredge up any kind of scandal that they can on her. They have now taken to -- they got a backlash on that. So now they are using the news media to ridicule her and take these little snippets from these interviews and embarrass her. Anybody who's been in public life, certainly Barack Obama and Joe Biden have had these days, have had these answers, have had these particular moments and so forth and they are just doing whatever they can. The media's got a vested interest in her demise. She was not on their short list. They did not get a chance to vet her beforehand. We know what that means. They were surprised. They don't like surprises. They are not getting the access to her that they want and now they are making her pay a price for it. It always happens that way. You always pay a price, and the American people have to decide whether or not this is fair treatment or this is a double standard, and it obviously is. Joe Biden is protected by the fact that his gaffes are so numerous and on such a regular basis that they just kind of shake their head and smile and say that's just Joe being Joe.

GLENN: Do you remember --

SENATOR THOMPSON: And she says a little something, you know, and the world's coming to an end.

GLENN: Do you remember when Hillary Clinton made the, "You know, I was under sniper fire."

SENATOR THOMPSON: Well, Joe did the same thing.

GLENN: I was just going to ask if you knew about, this amazing story. Where is this story?

SENATOR THOMPSON: Where is the story when he was in Iraq, supposedly he got shot at, his helicopter was supposedly forced down in Afghanistan. None of it happened.


GLENN: And yet --

SENATOR THOMPSON: This top level meeting that our officials had in Iran with Iranian officials didn't happen. He apparently didn't know we get half of our coal from -- half of our electricity from coal plants. He certainly didn't know who was President, you know, when the stock market crash happened. You know, he's made ethnic jokes. And this is the guy with a background, with a plagiarism problem. You would think that that would be relevant to today's media, but they're giving him a pass. They mention it briefly and go on, giving him a pass basically because he's been doing it for 35 years and they're just now catching Sarah Palin a little bit here and there and that's, you know, the day of her debate and that's their idea of equal treatment. I'm tired of her getting beat up with no response and I'm like you. I think, just let her do what she's done. It's not exactly like she's been unsuccessful. She has been successful in everything that she has done, and the only people that she's accountable to love her in overwhelming numbers.

GLENN: It's down I think to, like, what is it? 78% or something like that?

SENATOR THOMPSON: I wish some of these detractors had numbers like that.

GLENN: I know. There's --

SENATOR THOMPSON: Compare that to 9% approval rating in congress.

GLENN: Which Barack Obama are part of and John McCain as well.

SENATOR THOMPSON: All of the experience out.

GLENN: So. Fred, what I'm honestly trying to figure out is these weasels, there's too many of these weasels in Washington just sold their soul to the devil. There are a lot of good people there, but there's a lot of people. We are now paying for the people in the Nineties just doing special favors so they could get elected and reelected and reelected. That's what we're paying for.

SENATOR THOMPSON: And we sit back and watch it happen and reward them too often.

GLENN: Right.

SENATOR THOMPSON: We have ourselves to blame for a lot of this, Glenn. You know, it is the ultimate test of democracy when you learn you've got the keys to your own treasury. Now, what we're doing, we're seeing our financial markets brought down as we speak because people in congress who are now leading the reform effort, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, primarily what they did in protecting reform from Freddie Mae when John McCain was trying to get that changed and all. Now we're looking at an entitlement crisis as we become a more aging population. Social Security and Medicare are unsustainable. We're told that by all the experts. We're seeing the next big crisis play out on a daily basis. We're being told by a few knowledgeable people, neither the politicians, nor the people apparently will have that addressed because it requires some temporary changes. We've simply got to get behind that and make these politicians pay a price for not addressing it and reward the ones who have guts enough to stand up and do it. One of the things McCain doesn't get enough credit for is that when they expanded the entitlement program up there a couple of years ago, he's one of the few conservatives to vote no.

GLENN: Yeah, I will tell you this, that I do believe that he has fought many times against big government. He has fought against earmarks. However, I mean, you're on his dime today. So I'm going to ask you a question about him. I for the life of me don't understand how he could have voted for it when there were earmarks for wooden toy arrows, wool research and say, you know what, if we believe in this package, we do it. I'm a guy who had my arms pulled out of the sockets, for the love of Pete. You do something with honor. But there's no honor in this bill. This is ridiculous.

SENATOR THOMPSON: What they apparently did is take the tax extenders and another bill, totally separate thing, and put it with this because it was "Must-pass" legislation. They do that all the time unfortunately.

GLENN: But why, with the country --

SENATOR THOMPSON: You've got to vote up or down on the whole package.

GLENN: I understand that. But with the country 9-1 against, John McCain standing in front of the capitol building and saying America, this is what they're doing. I believe in the bailout and we need to have a bailout, but I have you on my side. These guys are just going for pork, they're just doing whatever's good for them. You believe in something; I believe in something. You put pressure on them to pass a clean bailout, from three pages to 453? He would have -- it would have been a clear win for him.

SENATOR THOMPSON: I can't speak for him on that because I haven't talked to him about it, but I think it's clear that he got up there and he talked to the people that he needed to talk to and the ones that I haven't and the people whose judgment he relies on. He's been up there a long time, and he concluded that we had to do something and that this was the only thing that was going to be timely enough to do any good, and you had to make those compromises in order to do that. That's the only thing that I can see and, you know, we'll just have to talk to him about that. He's his own best person on that but, you know, he's the last guy, he's the last guy that deserves criticism for not standing up against all odds on things.

GLENN: I know, I know.

SENATOR THOMPSON: That's been his entire career. This gets back to the qualification issue that they mention on Sarah Palin. What's more important? Having the experience doing the wrong thing or being willing to raise a little hell and change things that need to be changed. That's her history. That's her background. That's McCain's background. Compare that to all these other folks on Wall Street and in Washington with all this expertise who we've been relying on. The underlying problem here is that nobody trusts anybody in Washington or Wall Street today and that's the reaction that you're getting. People are sitting back and saying, you know, they may be right, but why should I trust them? I have no reason to trust them.

GLENN: You are exactly right. You are exactly right on that, which goes to this fundamental question. Sarah Palin, somebody coming into this system, and I know she's not -- this isn't just some housewife off the street and say, hey, you're going to be the vice president. I know she has experience and significant experience. She was dealing with corruption in Alaska with the oil industry.

SENATOR THOMPSON: Exactly.

GLENN: And she won. So she's got experience and she's a tough cookie. However, what America likes about her is that she's real and she's connected to people. Is it possible, Senator Fred Thompson, to go to this cesspool and remain true to yourself? Is it probable that you can get into Washington and not be sucked into it and just --

SENATOR THOMPSON: Well, Glenn, I think John has done that. I think John has done that. You'd be surprised at some of those luncheon meetings that we would have up there. I sat next to him on the floor of the Senate for a long time and, you know, the Democrats two or three times a week get together and have their luncheons and plot strategy as to how to defeat Republicans, Republicans do the same thing on the other side of the capitol. You'd be surprised how utterly isolated on some occasions John would be and he would turn out to be right, he would turn out to be doing the right thing but he has been willing to be unpopular and to do the courageous things on occasion after occasion, some of which I've not agreed with him on but he's always been consistent in showing the courage and determination, looking out for the long-term interest of the country. And that's what I tried to do. And that's why I think in my case it's worth a few years of your life but it's not worth your entire life. Because you're not all you can do, until the people determine that there ought to be more people like him, not much is going to happen. And we sit back, I mean, we've got to look ourselves in the mirror. We sit back and we -- all of us spend probably more than is prudent and all of us just let things roll, let the good times roll and the stock market's going up. We ask no questions, and the government is creating Fannie and Freddie and the government is putting everybody in a house whether they can afford one or not. I grew up my life renting, my folks did. And I rented part of my own life. You know, it's not the end of the world if you can't afford it to wait a little bit until you can afford a down payment. But we all go along with all of that. Then it hits the wall and, you know, we're looking for somebody to blame. There are plenty of people that reside in Washington. Wall Street and some of them reside in our own living room.

GLENN: Very good. Fred Thompson, thank you, sir. Appreciate it.

SENATOR THOMPSON: Appreciate it.

GLENN: You've got it. Bye-bye.

SENATOR THOMPSON: Thank you.

Glenn Beck: Adam Schiff is a LIAR — and we have the proof

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On the radio program Wednesday, Glenn Beck didn't hold back when discussing the latest in a long list of lies issued by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) during the Democrats' ongoing endeavor to remove President Donald Trump from office.

"I'm going to just come out and say, Adam Schiff is a liar. And he intentionally lied. And we have the proof. The media being his little lapdog, but I'll explain what's really going on, and call the man a liar to his face," Glenn asserted. "No, I'm not suggesting he's a liar. No, I'm telling you, he's a liar. ... Adam Schiff is a lying dirtbag."

A recent report in Politico claimed Schiff "mischaracterized" the content of a document sent to House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) as evidence against President Trump in the Senate impeachment trial. Read more on this here.

"Let me translate [for Politico]," Glenn said. "House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff lied about a text message exchange between two players in the Ukrainian saga. And we know it, because of the documents that were obtained by Politico."

A few of the other lies on Schiff's list include his repeated false claims that there was "significant evidence of collusion" between the Trump campaign and Russia leading up to the 2016 presidential election, his phony version of President Trump's phone call with the president of Ukraine, and his retracted claim that neither he nor his committee ever had contact with the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower. And the list just keeps getting longer.

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On the radio program Tuesday, Glenn Beck and Stu Burguiere discussed recent reports that former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter, wasn't the only family member to capitalize on his connections to land an unbelievably lucrative job even though he lacked qualifications or experience.

According to Peter Schweizer's new book, "Profiles in Corruption: Abuse of Power by America's Progressive Elite," Joe Biden's younger brother, Frank, enjoyed the benefit of $54 million in taxpayer loans during the Obama administration to try his hand at an international development venture.

A lawyer by training, Frank Biden teamed up with a developer named Craig Williamson to build a sprawling luxury resort in Costa Rica, which claimed to be on a mission to preserve the country's forests but actually resulted in the decimation of thousands of acres of wilderness.

The then-vice president's brother also reportedly earned hundreds of thousands of dollars as the front man of a for-profit charter school company called Mavericks in Education.

The charter schools, which focused on helping at-risk teens, eventually failed after allegations of mismanagement and a series of lawsuits derailed the dubious business venture.

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Ryan: Bernie at the disco

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Saturday at El Malecón, we waited for the Democratic socialist. He had the wild white hair like a monk and the thick glasses and the booming voice full of hacks and no niceties.

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The venue had been redecorated since we visited a few nights before when we chatted with Castro. It didn't even feel like the same place. No bouncy castle this time.

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A black curtain blocked the stage, giving the room a much-needed depth.

Behind the podium, two rows of mostly young people, all holding Bernie signs, all so diverse and picturesque and strategic.

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Lots of empty seats. Poor showing of Bernie fans for a Saturday afternoon. At one point, someone from Bernie's staff offered us seats in the audience, as if eager to fill up those seats however possible.

There were about 75 people in the dancehall, a place built for reunions and weddings and all those other festivities. But for a few hours on Saturday, August 10, 2019, it turned serious and wild for "Unidos Con Bernie."

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People had been murmuring about Sanders' speech from the night before at Wing Ding. By all appearances, he had developed a raving lust to overthrow Trump. He had even promised, with his wife just out of view, that, were he elected, he'd end white nationalism in America. For good.

El Malecón lacked its previous air of celebration. It had undertaken a brooding yet defiant spirit. Media were sparse. Four cameras faced the podium. Three photographers, one of whom had been at nearly all the same events as us. A few of the staffers frowned at an empty row of chairs, because there weren't that many chairs to begin with.

At the entrance, Bernie staff handed out headsets that translated English to Spanish or Spanish to English, depending on who the speaker was. The translators stood behind the bar, 20 feet from the podium, and spoke into a lip-ribbon microphone.

Bernie's staff was probably the coolest, by far. As in, they looked cool and acted stylishly. Jeans. Sandals. Careworn blazers. Tattoos. One lad had a black Levi's shirt with lush crimson roses even though he wasn't a cowboy or a ranch-hand. Mustaches. Quirky hats. A plain green sundress. Some of them wore glasses, big clunking frames.

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The outfits were distinctly Bernie. As Bernie as the tie-dyed "BERNIE" shirts for sale outside the club. Or later, at the Hilton, like a Grateful Dead cassette stand.

Immigration was the theme, and everyone in the audience bore some proof of a journey. Because America offers life, freedom, and hope.

Sanders' own father emigrated from Poland to America at 17, a high school dropout who could barely speak English. As a Jew, he'd faced religious persecution.

Within one generation, Bernie Sanders' father contributed to the highest stratum of American society. In one generation, near hopelessness had transformed into Democracy, his son a congressman with a serious chance at the presidency.

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That's the beauty of America. Come here broken and empty and gutted and voiceless. And, within your lifetime, you can mend yourself then become a pillar of society. Then, your son can become the President of the United States of America!

Four people gave speeches before Sanders. They took their time, excited and nervous. They putzed. Because how often do you get to introduce a presidential frontrunner?

All the native English speakers jammed their earpieces when the woman with the kind and dark energy took the stage.

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She mumbled in Spanish and did not look up and said that, when her parents died, she couldn't go home for the funeral. She fought back tears. She swallowed hard to shock herself calm. And the room engulfed each silence between every word.

It felt more like a therapy session than a political rally. A grueling therapy session at that. Was that what drew people to Bernie Sanders, that deep anguish? That brisk hope? Or, rather, the cessation of it, through Sanders? And, of course, the resultant freedom? Was it what gave Sanders a saintlike ability to lead people into the realm of the confessional? Did he have enough strength to lead a revolution?

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While other frontrunners hocked out money for appearances, like the studio lights, Sanders spent money on translators and ear-pieces. The impression I got was that he would gladly speak anywhere. To anyone. He had the transitory energy you can capture in the writings of Gandhi.

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I'm not saying he's right or wrong — I will never make that claim, about any of the candidates, because that's not the point of this, not the point of journalism, amen — what I'm saying is he has the brutal energy of someone who can take the subway after a soiree or rant about life by a tractor or chuck it up with Sarah Silverman, surrounded wherever he goes.

Without the slightest fanfare, Sanders emerged from behind the black curtain. The woman at the podium gasped a little. The room suctioned forward when he entered. In part because he was so nonchalant. And, again. That magnetism to a room when a famous or powerful or charming person enters. Not many people have it. Not many can keep it. Even fewer know how to brace it, to cull it on demand. But several of the candidates did. One or two even had something greater.

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I'll only say that Bernie had it with a bohemian fervor, like he was a monk stranded in a big city that he slowly brings to God.

"We have a President who, for the first time in my lifetime, who is a President who is a racist," he shouted. "Who is a xenophobe and anti-immigrant. Who is a sexist. Who is a religious bigot. And who, is a homophobe. And, what is very disappointing is that, when we have a President, we do not necessarily expect to agree with him, or her, on every issue. But we do believe that one of the obligations is to bring people to-geth-ah. As Americans."

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After listening silently for several minutes, the audience clapped. Their sweet response felt cultish. But, then again, what doesn't feel cultish these days? So this was cultish like memes are cultish, in a striving-to-understand kind of way.

"The essence of our campaign is in fact to bring people together," he said. "Whether they're black, or white, or latino, or Native American, or Asian-American. We understand that we are Americans."

At times, this meant sharing a common humanity. Others, it had a slightly more disruptive feel. Which worked. Sometimes all we want is revolution. To be wild without recourse. To overthrow. To pass through the constraints of each day. To survive. The kind of rowdy stuff that makes for good poetry but destroys credit lines. Sanders radiated with this intensity, like a reclusive philosopher returning to society, from his cave to homes and beds and fences and maybe electricity.

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But, as he says, his revolution would involve healthcare and wages and tuition, not beheadings and purges and starvation.

Seeing the Presidential candidates improvise was amazing. They did it constantly. They would turn any of their beliefs into a universal statement. And Sanders did this without trying. So he avoided doing the unbearably arrogant thing of pretending to speak like a native Guatemalan, and he looked at the group of people, and he mumbled in his cloudy accent:

"My Spanish — is not so good."

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This is the same and the opposite of President Trump's Everyman way of speaking English like an American. Of speaking American.

Often, you know what Sanders will say next. You can feel it. And, anytime this happened, it brought comfort to the room.

Like, it surprised no one when he said that he would reinstate DACA on his first day in office. It still drew applause.

But other times, he expressed wild ideas with poetic clarity. And his conclusions arrived at unusual junctures. Not just in comparison to Republicans. To all of them. Bernie was the Tupac of the 2020 election. And, to him, President Trump was Suge Knight, the evil force behind it all.

"Donald Trump is an idiot," he shouted.

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Everybody loved that. Everybody clapped and whooped and some even whistled like they were outside and not in a linoleum-floor dancehall.

"Go get 'em, Bernie," someone in the back shouted.

This was the only Sanders appearance with no protestors.

"Let me say this about the border," he shouted. And everybody listened to every thunking syllable. He probably could have spoken without a mic. Booming voice. Loud and clear. Huddling into that heavy Vermont slug accent.

They'll say many many things about Bernie. One being, you never had to lean forward to hear him. In person, even more so. He's less frail. More dynamic.

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Despite the shoddiness of the venue, there was a sign language interpreter. Most of the rallies had a designated interpreter.

"If you work 40 hours a week you shouldn't be living in poverty," he shouted, provoking chants and applause from the audience, as if he were talking about them. Maybe he was.

An anecdote about the people at an emergency food shelf blended into the livable wage of $15 an hour. He shifted into his spiel about tuition-free college and pointed at the audience, "You're not doing well," then at the kids behind him, "they are." He craned his head sideways and back. "Do your homework," he told said.

Laughter.

Half of the kids looked like they hadn't eaten in days. Maybe it was their unusual situation, a few feet from Bernie Sanders at a stucco community center.

Before the room could settle, Sanders wove through a plan for how to cancel debt.

Did he have a solution?

Tax Wall Street, he shouted.

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And he made it sound easy. "Uno dos trey," he said. "That's my Spanish for today."

A serious man, he shoved through his speech like a tank hurtling into dense jungle. He avoided many of the typical politician gimmicks. Proof that he did not practice every expression in front of a mirror. That he did not hide his accent. That he did not preen his hair. That he did not smile for a precise amount of time, depending on the audience. That he did not pretend to laugh.

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He laughed when humor overtook him. But it was genuine. With none of the throaty recoil you hear in forced laughter.

"I want everyone to take a deep breath," he said. And a palpable lightness spread through the room, because a deep breath can solve a lot of problems.

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Then he roused some more. "Healthcare is a human right," he shouted. "A human privilege," he shouted. He told them that he lives 50 miles from the Canadian border in Burlington, Vermont, and healthcare works better up north.

Each candidate had a bad word, and Sanders' was "corporate."

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At every speech, he mentioned "corporate media" with the same distrust and unpleasantness that conservatives derive from the term "mainstream media." Another would be "fake news," as popularized by Sanders' sworn enemy. Either way it's the same media. Just different motivations that irk different people.

But the discrepancies varied. Meaning two opposing political movements disliked the same thing, but for opposite reasons.
It sounded odd, Sanders' accusation that the media were against him. The media love Bernie. I can confirm this both anecdotally and judiciously. Yes, okay, in 2016, the media appeared to have sided with Hillary Clinton. As a result, Sanders was publicly humiliated. Because Clinton took a mafioso approach to dealing with opponents, and Sanders was her only roadblock.

Imagine if a major political organization devoted part of each day to agitating your downfall. And then you fail. And who's fault is it?

Sanders wanted to know: those negative ads targeting him, who paid for them?

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Corporations, of course. Corporations that hated radicals like him. And really was he so radical? He listed off the possibilities: Big pharma, insurance companies, oil companies.

Because he had become a revolutionary, to them. To many.

He said it with certainty, although he often didn't have to say it at all. This spirit of rebellion had become his brand. He would lead the wild Americans into a utopia.

But just as quickly, he would attack. Trump, as always, was the target.

He called Trump the worst president in American history.

"The fates are Yuge," he shouted.

The speech ended as informally as it had begun. And Sanders' trance over the audience evaporated, replaced by that suction energy. Everyone rushed closer and closer to the man as Neil Young's "Keep on Rockin in the Free World" blared. Sanders leaned into the podium and said, "If anyone wants to form a line, we can do some selfies."

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It was like meeting Jesus for some of the people.

There he was, at El Malecón. No stage lights, no makeup, no stylist behind the curtain. Just him and his ideas and his erratic hand commotion.

Then a man holding a baby leaned in for a photo. He and Sanders chatted. And, I kid you not, the whole time the baby is staring at Bernie Sanders like he's the image of God, looking right up at him, with this glow, this understanding.

Bernie, if you're reading this, I'd like to suggest that — if this election doesn't work for you — you could be the next Pope.

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On the "Glenn Beck Radio Program" Monday, Harvard Law professor and lawyer on President Donald Trump's impeachment defense team Alan Dershowitz explains the history of impeachment and its process, why the framers did not include abuse of power as criteria for a Constitutional impeachment, why the Democrats are framing their case the way they are, and what to look for in the upcoming Senate trial.

Dershowitz argued that "abuse of power" -- one of two articles of impeachment against Trump approved by House Democrats last month -- is not an impeachable act.

"There are two articles of impeachment. The second is 'obstruction of Congress.' That's just a false accusation," said Dershowitz. "But they also charge him, in the Ukraine matter, with abuse of power. But abuse of power was discussed by the framers (of the U.S. Constitution) ... the framers refused to include abuse of power because it was too broad, too open-ended.

"In the words of James Madison, the father of our Constitution, it would lead presidents to serve at the will of Congress. And that's exactly what the framers didn't want, which is why they were very specific and said a president can be impeached only for treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors," he added.

"What's alleged against President Trump is not criminal," added Dershowitz. "If they had criminal issues to allege, you can be sure they would have done it. If they could establish bribery or treason, they would have done it already. But they didn't do it. They instead used this concept of abuse of power, which is so broad and general ... any president could be charged with it."

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