Glenn talks with Sarah Palin


Governor Sarah Palin

GLENN: Let me go to Governor Sarah Palin. Hello, how are you, governor?

GOVERNOR PALIN: I'm doing great. How are you, Glenn?

GLENN: Very great. If I call you Sarah, please don't take offense to it. I feel the strangest thing with you and I know my listeners feel the same way. You just, you're just like one of us. So? ?

GOVERNOR PALIN: Well, if you let me call you Glenn, I let you call me Sarah. I would just be comfortable with that.

GLENN: All right. First of all, are you clinging to either your God or guns currently right now?

GOVERNOR PALIN: No gun in my hand at this moment, but my God, yes.

GLENN: All right, good. You know, I have to tell you, I'm so glad to have you on the broadcast. You know, we spoke before they picked you and I've been saying for a long time that you are exactly the kind of person that we're looking for. I think you, in many ways at least for me, you represent hope that there is somebody out there that is normal, that hasn't over thought everything, that is not caught in this awful trap of, well, quite honestly? ?if you don't mind, let me just ask you this: At any time did you say to the handlers, just shut up and let me be me?

GOVERNOR PALIN: Oh, that's all that inside baseball stuff that, you know, hey. In these last two weeks we're going to do all that we can to get this message out there to American voters, letting them know what the choices are on November 4th. The choice is so clear, the contrast quite stark. So anything and everything I can do to get that message out, I'm going to do it.



GLENN: I don't know how America? ?what happened to us, Sarah, where you have a country that is willing to embrace socialism? Are we not embracing socialism with Barack Obama?

GOVERNOR PALIN: You know, maybe some voters have not realized what socialism entails and maybe young people brought up in some of the? ?under some of the curriculum in the schools are not quite aware that any hint at socialism really will punish productivity and hard work ethic and reward for that tough work ethic. Maybe just some voters aren't quite aware of where some of Barack Obama's, quote, tax cut programs could lead us, and it is a dangerous thing for our economy and for our country to be considering, though. We cannot flirt with this and now is not the time to experiment with, as Joe the plumber calls it, socialism.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I'm surprised that nobody has taken up the mantle, especially after you in the debate. I watched the debate and I saw the polling numbers, you know, the dial testing as you were going, and you started down this road that every single one of the politicians are saying, "Oh, well, these big evil people on Wall Street and, you know, these evil rich people" that we're duping people. But then you started in on? ?which I never heard and I actually cheered. It's time for some personal responsibility. It is time for people to take on the responsibility that they have for themselves. Why don't we talk about personal responsibility anymore? Why don't we reach out to the American people and say, "Hey, government is not the answer. Nine out of ten times government's the problem."

GOVERNOR PALIN: I know. Let us preach, reaching people when they know there is a candidate willing to talk about this. McCain talks about it, too, and in her rallies that, no, bigger government is the problem, it's not the solution. And we put government back on the side of the people in the state of Alaska by taking on corporate interests and taking on agenda that we're all about self dealing of politician, putting government back on the side of the people but still reminding Alaskans anyway that government is not the answer. Really it is the problem. And government can play an appropriate role in all the challenges, all the issues that we're dealing with today. But mainly government's got to get out of the way of the private sector and our families, their abilities and opportunities to grow and thrive and prosper. And you do that, federal level especially, by cutting taxes so that our small businesses and families can keep more of what they earn and produce and then reprioritize according to what they deem necessary and reinvest those dollars there instead of letting the politician do it for them. There's an appropriate role for government in meeting all the challenges that we face, but government is not the "Be all, end all."

GLENN: This is a Joe Biden gotcha question, just see if you're qualified to be President of the United States: How many letters in the words "Jobs."

GOVERNOR PALIN: Well, we got three letters in the word job. More importantly, four letters in jobs, and that's what we have to do, Glenn, is create jobs. You do that by letting our businesses keep more of what they earn and produce. That allows them to be able to afford more employees. That's how we get the economy back on track. That's just common sense stuff, common sense conservativism.

GLENN: What about the, what about the 95% of all Americans are going to get a tax cut? I mean, how do you get the message across to people that 40% of Americans don't pay taxes. And Barack Obama's saying, well, they pay Social Security tax. Well, so we're going to cut Social Security tax when Social Security's in the crapper? And that's not really income tax then that we're talking about, is it?

GOVERNOR PALIN: See, Glenn, people have got to hear his words, don't just be there at these rallies or anything else. Listening to what he's saying. You have to really, really hear what he is saying. Barack Obama claims that he will cut income taxes for 95% of Americans. The problem is more than 40% pay no income taxes at all. So how do you cut income taxes for folks who don't pay them? What he's going to do is write them a check and call that a tax cut, even though it's really a tax credit. And where is he going to get all the money for all those checks? By raising taxes on America's families and on our small businesses and folks just like Joe the plumber, and Barack Obama is playing with words to hide his real agenda of redistributing the hard earned money of American families and I mean, you've got to hand it to Joe the plumber in Toledo. He's the one who succeeded in finally getting Barack Obama to, in plain speak, explain what his intentions are for these quote/unquote tax cuts.

GLENN: Are you for this new stimulus package?

GOVERNOR PALIN: I say, you know, when is enough enough of taxpayer dollars being thrown into this bill out there? There's some points in it that make sense, some provisions in there that make sense, but how far are we going to go here in asking taxpayers to bail out even further, I guess entities, individuals, those who have made some poor decisions and then being able to kind of sit back and rely on others to prop them up and bail them out. This next one of the Democrats being proposed should be very, very concerning to all Americans because to me it sends a message that $700 billion bailout, maybe that was just the tip of the iceberg. No, you know, we were told when we've got to be believing if we have enough elected officials who are going to be standing strong on fiscal conservative principles and free enterprise and we have to believe that there are enough of those elected officials to say, no, okay, that's enough. We can use what we've already seen approved by congress and better use those funds even than how it's been laid out via the priorities that some in congress want to see the $700 billion spent. But when is enough enough.

GLENN: Barack Obama's running mate Joe Biden said yesterday that we're going to be tested with an international crisis in the next six months. He said that they are going to have to make some decisions that are going to seem wrong to the average person at first. Did you read this speech? He said that he was going to? ?that the decisions were going to seem wrong to the average American person in the first? ?in those six months and he was going to need people just to blindly stand by Barack Obama and Joe Biden and support those decisions because they would know better.

GOVERNOR PALIN: Okay. And? ?yeah, Glenn, I think that out of all the bizarre claims and proclamations in this entire campaign of Obama's and Biden's, that has to be the most bizarre talking point that I've heard yet.

GLENN: Do you think you'd get the same kind of treatment if you had said something like that?

GOVERNOR PALIN: Are you kidding? You know, have you noticed, though, that every time Biden wanders off message, he stumbles on the truth. And now, he didn't specify what the four or five scenarios for this international crisis that he says "Mark my word" is going to happen, he didn't specify what those scenarios are but, you know, all you have to do is review Barack Obama's foreign policy agenda to figure out what maybe one of those scenarios would be. And Biden did say, he told his Democrat donors at that fundraiser to mark his words, that those scenarios would place our country at risk in an Obama administration, and I guess we've got to thank Joe for the warning.

GLENN: Sarah, as a, not as a candidate but as an American, and I know you are an optimist and that's why I like you so much, but even if you weren't running, are we at a place in America, do you fear for the future of your country if people don't wake up?

GOVERNOR PALIN: I am puzzled by it. I think the tone of the campaign sometimes some days waking up looking at the direction of the campaign, puzzled there. Just take national security issues and then let's talk a little bit about energy independence issues, but national security. You know, for Barack Obama to have voted to cut off funding for our troops. My son's one of the troops over there. He's in Iraq today. To consider that Barack Obama had said? ?because he recognized it was the wrong thing to do, to try to cut off funding for our young men and women over there in a war zone. He said he wouldn't do it. Biden called him out on it and said, you know, this is political and this is going to cost lives. And Barack Obama, under political pressure, did it anyway, voted to cut off funding for the troops. Things like that puzzle me in terms of Barack Obama not having to further explain the decisions that he has made. Certainly we're perplexed by the associations that he's had and maybe has today and his record and not being called on these things. But specific issues that I think need to be talked about and questions asked of him, and we should be demanding answers also like the cutting off the troops' funding. It perplexes me the tone of the campaign where if we ask those questions, we're seen as mean spirited and negative campaigners and worse we're called. That's concerning to me.

GLENN: Sarah, Governor Sarah Palin, anytime that? ?and this is after the election, win or don't win, we would love to have you back anytime. The audience loves you. I think the average person in America is? ?just feels that, thank goodness, there is somebody that can walk onto the national scene for a lot of us just out of nowhere and not be a political machine. Don't get chewed up in it, Governor, and we look for you to serve our country for a long, long time ahead. Sarah Palin Sarah Palin hey, I appreciate that. Do we have one second to talk about energy independence?

GLENN: I'm on your? ?I'm already five minutes over. I don't want your handlers to yell at me, but I? ?you got it. You go ahead. Sarah Palin Sarah Palin I'll take care of that. Listen. There are national security issues that have to do with energy independence. Biden and Obama say no, no, no to the domestic solutions that we already have here. We can say yes to the drilling. We can say yes to the offshore drilling. We can say yes to the alternative sources of energy, nuclear and all these. Now, Biden and Obama have continually said no, which should send that message that they are fine, beholden to and reliant upon foreign sources of energy. Some of these countries we purchase energy from that can use energy as a weapon and they don't necessarily like America. That is one of those issues, Glenn, where the American voter had better be asking these candidates. Because we're trying to, as the opposition ticket, we're trying to ask the questions, but we're not getting a whole lot of help and follow-up through the media, of course, but from you and a couple of others. But what truly is their plan to get us firmly on that path towards energy independence in our country. They flip flopped all over on the specifics in their plan.

GLENN: No, they said they're willing to look at it. They're willing to look at drilling.

GOVERNOR PALIN: Right. Exactly. So people have got to hear what Barack Obama is saying, not just listening to those words and understanding that they are prettied up and packaged up to look like maybe mainstream policies, but you've got to hear what he is saying, the nuances. And he's very sharp there in his choice of words used even there on saying we'll look at such and such. But we have got to be an energy independent country and we can do this. And we have the ingenuity and we have the workforce. And instead of those hundreds of billions of dollars, U.S. dollars being circulated in foreign countries to purchase energy sources, they should be produced here, and they can be. We do have the resources in this country.

GLENN: Governor, thank you so much.

GOVERNOR PALIN: Thank you.

GLENN: And we hope to talk to you again soon.

GOVERNOR PALIN: I would love to. Thank you so much, Glenn. Bye.

From the moment the 33-year-old Thomas Jefferson arrived at the Continental Congress in Philadelphia in 1776, he was on the radical side. That caused John Adams to like him immediately. Then the Congress stuck Jefferson and Adams together on the five-man committee to write a formal statement justifying a break with Great Britain, and their mutual admiration society began.

Jefferson thought Adams should write the Declaration. But Adams protested, saying, “It can't come from me because I'm obnoxious and disliked." Adams reasoned that Jefferson was not obnoxious or disliked, therefore he should write it. Plus, he flattered Jefferson, by telling him he was a great writer. It was a master class in passing the buck.

So, over the next 17 days, Jefferson holed up in his room, applying his lawyer skills to the ideas of the Enlightenment. He borrowed freely from existing documents like the Virginia Declaration of Rights. He later wrote that “he was not striving for originality of principle or sentiment." Instead, he hoped his words served as “an expression of the American mind."

It's safe to say he achieved his goal.

The five-man committee changed about 25 percent of Jefferson's first draft of the Declaration before submitting it to Congress. Then, Congress altered about one-fifth of that draft. But most of the final Declaration's words are Jefferson's, including the most famous passage — the Preamble — which Congress left intact. The result is nothing less than America's mission statement, the words that ultimately bind the nation together. And words that we desperately need to rediscover because of our boiling partisan rage.

The Declaration is brilliant in structure and purpose. It was designed for multiple audiences: the King of Great Britain, the colonists, and the world. And it was designed for multiple purposes: rallying the troops, gaining foreign allies, and announcing the creation of a new country.

The Declaration is structured in five sections: the Introduction, Preamble, the Body composed of two parts, and the Conclusion. It's basically the most genius breakup letter ever written.

In the Introduction, step 1 is the notificationI think we need to break up. And to be fair, I feel I owe you an explanation...

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…

The Continental Congress felt they were entitled by “the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" to “dissolve the political bands," but they needed to prove the legitimacy of their cause. They were defying the world's most powerful nation and needed to motivate foreign allies to join the effort. So, they set their struggle within the entire “Course of human events." They're saying, this is no petty political spat — this is a major event in world history.

Step 2 is declaring what you believe in, your standardsHere's what I'm looking for in a healthy relationship...

This is the most famous part of the Declaration; the part school children recite — the Preamble:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That's as much as many Americans know of the Declaration. But the Preamble is the DNA of our nation, and it really needs to be taken as a whole:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Preamble takes us through a logical progression: All men are created equal; God gives all humans certain inherent rights that cannot be denied; these include the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; to protect those rights, we have governments set up; but when a government fails to protect our inherent rights, people have the right to change or replace it.

Government is only there to protect the rights of mankind. They don't have any power unless we give it to them. That was an extraordinarily radical concept then and we're drifting away from it now.

The Preamble is the justification for revolution. But note how they don't mention Great Britain yet. And again, note how they frame it within a universal context. These are fundamental principles, not just squabbling between neighbors. These are the principles that make the Declaration just as relevant today. It's not just a dusty parchment that applied in 1776.

Step 3 is laying out your caseHere's why things didn't work out between us. It's not me, it's you...

This is Part 1 of the Body of the Declaration. It's the section where Jefferson gets to flex his lawyer muscles by listing 27 grievances against the British crown. This is the specific proof of their right to rebellion:

He has obstructed the administration of justice...

For imposing taxes on us without our consent...

For suspending our own legislatures...

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us...

Again, Congress presented these “causes which impel them to separation" in universal terms to appeal to an international audience. It's like they were saying, by joining our fight you'll be joining mankind's overall fight against tyranny.

Step 4 is demonstrating the actions you took I really tried to make this relationship work, and here's how...

This is Part 2 of the Body. It explains how the colonists attempted to plead their case directly to the British people, only to have the door slammed in their face:

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury...

They too have been deaf to the voice of justice... We must, therefore... hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

This basically wrapped up America's argument for independence — we haven't been treated justly, we tried to talk to you about it, but since you refuse to listen and things are only getting worse, we're done here.

Step 5 is stating your intent — So, I think it's best if we go our separate ways. And my decision is final...

This is the powerful Conclusion. If people know any part of the Declaration besides the Preamble, this is it:

...that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved...

They left no room for doubt. The relationship was over, and America was going to reboot, on its own, with all the rights of an independent nation.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The message was clear — this was no pitchfork mob. These were serious men who had carefully thought through the issues before taking action. They were putting everything on the line for this cause.

The Declaration of Independence is a landmark in the history of democracy because it was the first formal statement of a people announcing their right to choose their own government. That seems so obvious to us now, but in 1776 it was radical and unprecedented.

In 1825, Jefferson wrote that the purpose of the Declaration was “not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of… but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm… to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take."

You're not going to do better than the Declaration of Independence. Sure, it worked as a means of breaking away from Great Britain, but its genius is that its principles of equality, inherent rights, and self-government work for all time — as long as we actually know and pursue those principles.

On June 7, 1776, the Second Continental Congress met in Philadelphia at the Pennsylvania State House, better known today as Independence Hall. Virginia delegate Richard Henry Lee introduced a motion calling for the colonies' independence. The “Lee Resolution" was short and sweet:

Resolved, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved.

Intense debate followed, and the Congress voted 7 to 5 (with New York abstaining) to postpone a vote on Lee's Resolution. They called a recess for three weeks. In the meantime, the delegates felt they needed to explain what they were doing in writing. So, before the recess, they appointed a five-man committee to come up with a formal statement justifying a break with Great Britain. They appointed two men from New England — Roger Sherman and John Adams; two from the middle colonies — Robert Livingston and Benjamin Franklin; and one Southerner — Thomas Jefferson. The responsibility for writing what would become the Declaration of Independence fell to Jefferson.

In the rotunda of the National Archives building in Washington, D.C., there are three original documents on permanent display: the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. These are the three pillars of the United States, yet America barely seems to know them anymore. We need to get reacquainted — quickly.

In a letter to his friend John Adams in 1816, Jefferson wrote: “I like the dreams of the future, better than the history of the past."

America used to be a forward-looking nation of dreamers. We still are in spots, but the national attitude that we hear broadcast loudest across media is not looking toward the future with optimism and hope. In late 2017, a national poll found 59% of Americans think we are currently at the “lowest point in our nation's history that they can remember."

America spends far too much time looking to the past for blame and excuse. And let's be honest, even the Right is often more concerned with “owning the left" than helping point anyone toward the practical principles of the Declaration of Independence. America has clearly lost touch with who we are as a nation. We have a national identity crisis.

The Declaration of Independence is America's thesis statement, and without it America doesn't exist.

It is urgent that we get reacquainted with the Declaration of Independence because postmodernism would have us believe that we've evolved beyond the America of our founding documents, and thus they're irrelevant to the present and the future. But the Declaration of Independence is America's thesis statement, and without it America doesn't exist.

Today, much of the nation is so addicted to partisan indignation that "day-to-day" indignation isn't enough to feed the addiction. So, we're reaching into America's past to help us get our fix. In 2016, Democrats in the Louisiana state legislature tabled a bill that would have required fourth through sixth graders to recite the opening lines of the Declaration. They didn't table it because they thought it would be too difficult or too patriotic. They tabled it because the requirement would include the phrase “all men are created equal" and the progressives in the Louisiana legislature didn't want the children to have to recite a lie. Representative Barbara Norton said, “One thing that I do know is, all men are not created equal. When I think back in 1776, July the fourth, African Americans were slaves. And for you to bring a bill to request that our children will recite the Declaration, I think it's a little bit unfair to us. To ask our children to recite something that's not the truth. And for you to ask those children to repeat the Declaration stating that all men's are free. I think that's unfair."

Remarkable — an elected representative saying it wouldn't be fair for students to have to recite the Declaration because “all men are not created equal." Another Louisiana Democrat explained that the government born out of the Declaration “was used against races of people." I guess they missed that part in school where they might have learned that the same government later made slavery illegal and amended the Constitution to guarantee all men equal protection under the law. The 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were an admission of guilt by the nation regarding slavery, and an effort to right the wrongs.

Yet, the progressive logic goes something like this: many of the men who signed the Declaration of Independence, including Thomas Jefferson who wrote it, owned slaves; slavery is evil; therefore, the Declaration of Independence is not valid because it was created by evil slave owners.

It's a sad reality that the left has a very hard time appreciating the universal merits of the Declaration of Independence because they're so hung up on the long-dead issue of slavery. And just to be clear — because people love to take things out of context — of course slavery was horrible. Yes, it is a total stain on our history. But defending the Declaration of Independence is not an effort to excuse any aspect of slavery.

Okay then, people might say, how could the Founders approve the phrase “All men are created equal," when many of them owned slaves? How did they miss that?

They didn't miss it. In fact, Thomas Jefferson included an anti-slavery passage in his first draft of the Declaration. The paragraph blasted King George for condoning slavery and preventing the American Colonies from passing legislation to ban slavery:

He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights to life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere... Determined to keep open a market where men should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce.

We don't say “execrable" that much anymore. It means, utterly detestable, abominable, abhorrent — basically very bad.

Jefferson was upset when Georgia and North Carolina threw up the biggest resistance to that paragraph. Ultimately, those two states twisted Congress' arm to delete the paragraph.

Still, how could a man calling the slave trade “execrable" be a slaveowner himself? No doubt about it, Jefferson was a flawed human being. He even had slaves from his estate in Virginia attending him while he was in Philadelphia, in the very apartment where he was writing the Declaration.

Many of the Southern Founders deeply believed in the principles of the Declaration yet couldn't bring themselves to upend the basis of their livelihood. By 1806, Virginia law made it more difficult for slave owners to free their slaves, especially if the owner had significant debts as Jefferson did.

At the same time, the Founders were not idiots. They understood the ramifications of signing on to the principles described so eloquently in the Declaration. They understood that logically, slavery would eventually have to be abolished in America because it was unjust, and the words they were committing to paper said as much. Remember, John Adams was on the committee of five that worked on the Declaration and he later said that the Revolution would never be complete until the slaves were free.

Also, the same generation that signed the Declaration started the process of abolition by banning the importation of slaves in 1807. Jefferson was President at the time and he urged Congress to pass the law.

America has an obvious road map that, as a nation, we're not consulting often enough.

The Declaration took a major step toward crippling the institution of slavery. It made the argument for the first time about the fundamental rights of all humans which completely undermined slavery. Planting the seeds to end slavery is not nearly commendable enough for leftist critics, but you can't discount the fact that the seeds were planted. It's like they started an expiration clock for slavery by approving the Declaration. Everything that happened almost a century later to end slavery, and then a century after that with the Civil Rights movement, flowed from the principles voiced in the Declaration.

Ironically for a movement that calls itself progressive, it is obsessed with retrying and judging the past over and over. Progressives consider this a better use of time than actually putting past abuses in the rearview and striving not to be defined by ancestral failures.

It can be very constructive to look to the past, but not when it's used to flog each other in the present. Examining history is useful in providing a road map for the future. And America has an obvious road map that, as a nation, we're not consulting often enough. But it's right there, the original, under glass. The ink is fading, but the words won't die — as long as we continue to discuss them.

'Good Morning Texas' gives exclusive preview of Mercury One museum

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Mercury One is holding a special exhibition over the 4th of July weekend, using hundreds of artifacts, documents and augmented reality experiences to showcase the history of slavery — including slavery today — and a path forward. Good Morning Texas reporter Paige McCoy Smith went through the exhibit for an exclusive preview with Mercury One's chief operating officer Michael Little on Tuesday.

Watch the video below to see the full preview.

Click here to purchase tickets to the museum (running from July 4 - 7).

Over the weekend, journalist Andy Ngo and several other apparent right-leaning people were brutally beaten by masked-gangs of Antifa protesters in Portland, Oregon. Short for "antifascist," Antifa claims to be fighting for social justice and tolerance — by forcibly and violently silencing anyone with opposing opinions. Ngo, who was kicked, punched, and sprayed with an unknown substance, is currently still in the hospital with a "brain bleed" as a result of the savage attack. Watch the video to get the details from Glenn.