Glenn talks with Joe the plumber



"Barack Obama talks about wanting to take care of people…I just moved my parents into my house. I’m not a millionaire… This guy, who has millions, can’t take care of his aunt and uncle? There’s something wrong there."


- Joe the Plumber talking about Obama's aunt who was found living in a Boston Slum

GLENN: Let's go to Joe the plumber with Glenn the radio host. Joe, how are you?

JOE THE PLUMBER: Hey, I'm doing real good, Glenn, how about yourself today?

GLENN: Very good, man. I had no idea that you listen to us.

JOE THE PLUMBER: Oh, Lord yeah. Anytime I'm out plumbing, you know, or I'm in my truck, I got you guys tuned in.

GLENN: Well, I mean, we're both kind of in the crap business. So you know what I'm saying?

JOE THE PLUMBER: (Laughing).

GLENN: What is your life like right now?

JOE THE PLUMBER: It's definitely in a state of flux. Right now I don't have a job and at the same time I believe it's, you know, kind of, America's taking more importance on my life right now than as far as my personal deal. You know, I'm real scared for America right now. So, you know, I'm just putting anything I got going on to the side and I'm doing my best to help McCain get elected and make sure people understand more about Obama. So that's kind of what my life's been telling right now.

GLENN: Let me ask you this, Joe. When you stood up at the rope line, was that an honest question? Was that a setup? Were you just really wanting to know? Why were you at the Obama campaign and at the rope line?

JOE THE PLUMBER: Actually I wasn't at any rope line or Obama campaign. I was just popping football with my son in my front yard and he came over next to us. It's the other way around, Bubba.

GLENN: Was it -- it seemed like a rope line to me. I've seen that a hundred times. It looking like a rope line. He came over to you?

JOE THE PLUMBER: That's are all my neighbors standing around. No reap line. He was just canvassing neighborhoods. You know, the reason why I went up to him is because every single one of us always want to get a politician in front of him. It's like, why do you do that, you idiot? I had my chance to go over there and ask a question. I took it.

GLENN: So today I'm reading a story that shows that the members of the government, police and everything else assisted Barack Obama and the media to find out everything they could about you. They found out -- they went to get your address, then they went in to look at your tax records, then they looked to see if you had ever received welfare, ever received unemployment. How frightening is that?

JOE THE PLUMBER: It's downright scary, man. It kind of freaked me out. I asked a simple question and they vet me out like I'm trying to get top security clearance or something like that, you know, and then right back at them. You know, this guy wants to be President of the world -- or President of the country.



GLENN: President of the world. He does.

JOE THE PLUMBER: Caught myself there.

GLENN: You were right, though.

JOE THE PLUMBER: He wants to be President of the country and we don't know anything about this guy. As far as accusations made about me, as far as my taxes and my plumbing license, I answered them straight and honest. I didn't evade them. I didn't tap dance around them. I said, yes, I owe taxes, you know, yes, my wife, you know, as far as the question in how I practice plumbing. I'm still a plumber. That goes without saying. Barack Obama, this LA Times tape, he won't come out and say, yeah, show it, I don't have nothing to hide, I haven't hid anything. And they ran me through the gambit. They haven't ran him through anything. I challenge him to release that tape, let's see it.

GLENN: So what do you think this means, Joe, that we can find out about you within 24 hours but for two years we've been trying to get things about Barack Obama. Look how long it took to finally get him to admit that, oh, gee, I guess my pastor is a spooky dude, when there's no doubt in my mind that he knew. There's no way -- when you start to put the puzzle pieces together of this guy, he clearly has Marxist views. We find out today in the paper that his uncle, who Barack Obama said I've lost track of -- he went missing -- has just been evicted. His aunt is living in a slum and yet I know everything about you. Why?

JOE THE PLUMBER: Actually, Glenn, one thing you don't know about me, Barack Obama talks about wanting to take care of people. You know, just that information you shared with me just now is ridiculous. I just moved my parents into my house. You know, I'm not a millionaire. You know, I don't make $100,000 a year. We had to tighten our belts a little bit. Friends and family came together. We turned the garage into a bedroom, they moved them in. That's what America's about, about family taking care of family, neighbors neighbors, you know, community. It starts there. It doesn't start at the federal government and work its way down. And this guy who, you know, has millions, can't take care of his own aunt and uncle? There's something wrong there.

GLENN: See, boy, you should run for office, Joe. This is the -- this is exactly what we were talking about before. It starts at home. It doesn't start at the federal level. It's Joe Biden. It's -- well, Barack Obama is the same way. The donations to charity, almost nonexistent between these two guys and all they want to do is take the money from people like you, take the money from people like me and then force us to give charity money to places like ACORN, which I don't agree with. While their own families are struggling.

JOE THE PLUMBER: I don't agree with it, either. I mean, them two seem to use God and church as a punch line just to make people feel good when they're there. It sickens me, you know, for God and church to be used like that.

GLENN: You're from Ohio.

JOE THE PLUMBER: Yes, sir.

GLENN: How do you, how do you think Ohio is going to -- do you think Ohio's going to pull the lever for Barack Obama?

JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, you know, I pray they don't. You know, I've been running around town here and around the state a bit and, you know, I've had a lot of people come up to me, you know, McCain supporters telling me, hey, thanks for asking that question. But I've had a lot of Barack Obama supporters come up to me and say, hey, thanks for asking that question, you know, I'm really going to have to rethink this. I'm hoping people are waking up. Ohio, as far as if you believe the polls, which I honestly don't ever pay attention to. I mean, the vote's not in until it's in is how I look at things like that. But a lot of people are starting to question and I'm hoping they start questioning more and that's, you know, kind of what I've been spouting off is, you know, don't listen to my opinion. I'm sorry, Glenn, I tell them not to listen to yours, either. I tell them to go out and get the facts. Get the facts.

GLENN: I do, too.

JOE THE PLUMBER: I know you do. I know you do. And that's the biggest thing right there. You know, everyone else has got an opinion. Then they go off half cocked and they start spouting someone else's opinion. They have no legs to stand on. They don't know how to defend it and they don't even know why they have that opinion except for, you know, some talk show host said it or, you know, some magazine said it, you know. Find out. Find out. If you find out, it might scare you.

GLENN: Joe, I read a story today that you said a vote for Barack Obama is a vote against Israel. Why do you say that?

JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, you know, a couple of reasons. He looked at his past associations, Glenn, they're scary. I mean, you've got Reverend Wright. I know he likes to disassociate himself with that.

GLENN: You can't.

JOJOE THE PLUMBER: If it was my reverend and I did that, it would be a slap in the face to him. Anyway, you got the guy Rasheed Khalidi, you know, spokesman for the PLO, the fact that they have been friends. You know, from what I've understood and what I've read, this is what I've gathered and these are the -- 

GLENN: No, Khalidi, it is my understanding, I'm looking at one of my researchers to make sure that this is accurate. Khalidi, the relationship with Khalidi includes Barack Obama's family, his children being baby-sat by the Khalidi parents.

JOE THE PLUMBER: That's pretty serious, man. I mean, so, you know, if I wasn't -- being an American that makes me even wonder more. I mean, that's just, that's serious stuff, real serious. Anyways, Barack has engaged the enemies of America. Not, you know, Iran, which you've done a great thing about bringing that up to the surface but, you know, he's engaged Iran. These people talked about wiping Israel off the -- you know, turning them into a parking lot and here, you know, presidential candidate wants to talk to him without any kind of conditions and actually even had the President try to take some conditions to us. You know, we're Americans, man. You don't dictate to us. span>

GLENN: Are you concerned at all, Joe? You are just a public citizen. Even Bill Clinton when it came, he used the IRS as a weapon. I mean, the IRS was investigated for tax fraud. I believe the entire time of the Clinton administration. They found nothing on anyone at the NRA but it was just to keep tying them up and tying them up and making their life miserable. Are you concerned at all with a guy or an administration that always is using, well, you are just a racist, you are a hate monger, you are this. Are you concerned about any kind of retribution for what you've said if Barack Obama happens to become President?

JOE THE PLUMBER: You know, it's been in the back of my mind and, you know, some of my friends are, you know, saying I'm not going to stand close to you, man, you're going to get shot. And, you know, God, I hope America's not that bad where, you know, someone would do that because I don't want to get shot. So it's in the back of my mind. Hopefully they don't do it. As far as that goes, you know, the IRS and, you know, using it as a weapon, you know, that's why I'm a big proponent of the flat tax, you know, get rid of the IRS and go that route. Democrats always talk about fair. What's more fair than that?

GLENN: What would you say to people who say, you know, just, A, I don't want to do it, I mean, it's just too much; I'm not a political person; I don't want to get involved; I don't want to stand up. They're afraid to or they're just, they're just unwilling to stand up. What do you have to say to the average American about the time we live in?

JOE THE PLUMBER: Honestly they got the same feelings I got. I mean, until, you know, I actually asked Obama a question, I felt the same way, disenfranchised with the whole ridiculous system of politics in America right now. I mean really, I mean, how can I get up there and, you know, tell them I'm upset without coming off as sounding, you know, like a hate monger or something like that. The problem with that, they are up there spending our money, you know, just roughshod, you know -- you know, they don't represent us anymore. They get up there and they forget all about what they promised and they go do what they want. As far as the average American, where is his voice at? He doesn't really get to say, guys, whoa, whoa, what are you doing there, man, you know, stop. Stop spending my money, you know, stop digging in my pockets. They don't have a voice. And, you know, that's quite the only reason why I've even carried on. I'm actually a private guy. You know, I have a close group of friends and that's about it, but I've been given a responsibility, I believe, to, you know, keep talking. I keep getting letters, I get phone calls. You know, a 72-year-old guy called me up last night, you know, not crying but I mean, he was really upset, "You know, hey, I've worked all my life, I'm 72 years old and, you know, the stock market took a dump and now I have nothing. What are me and my wife going to do." You know, I don't have an answer for that guy, you know. I said, you know, I'll pray for you and, you know, I pray that something turns around for you, sir. But, you know, I don't have that answer but if I can get your message out there, I will. So that's why I'm still, you know, I'm not seeking the spotlight. I don't actually like my face on TV or any of that stuff and, you know, people can believe me or not. That's going to be their opinion. But, you know, they are going to hear the message, though. I'm going to keep on talking for middle class people that, you know, contact me. So, you know, that's why I'm out here, brother.

GLENN: I've got to tell you, Joe, you are more plain spoken, you are right on the money more than 80% of the politicians I have talked to in the last five years. You keep going, brother. Thanks a lot.

JOE THE PLUMBER: Hey, thanks a lot, Glenn. I really appreciate the time with you, brother.

GLENN: You got it. We'll talk to you again. Joe the plumber.

From the moment the 33-year-old Thomas Jefferson arrived at the Continental Congress in Philadelphia in 1776, he was on the radical side. That caused John Adams to like him immediately. Then the Congress stuck Jefferson and Adams together on the five-man committee to write a formal statement justifying a break with Great Britain, and their mutual admiration society began.

Jefferson thought Adams should write the Declaration. But Adams protested, saying, “It can't come from me because I'm obnoxious and disliked." Adams reasoned that Jefferson was not obnoxious or disliked, therefore he should write it. Plus, he flattered Jefferson, by telling him he was a great writer. It was a master class in passing the buck.

So, over the next 17 days, Jefferson holed up in his room, applying his lawyer skills to the ideas of the Enlightenment. He borrowed freely from existing documents like the Virginia Declaration of Rights. He later wrote that “he was not striving for originality of principle or sentiment." Instead, he hoped his words served as “an expression of the American mind."

It's safe to say he achieved his goal.

The five-man committee changed about 25 percent of Jefferson's first draft of the Declaration before submitting it to Congress. Then, Congress altered about one-fifth of that draft. But most of the final Declaration's words are Jefferson's, including the most famous passage — the Preamble — which Congress left intact. The result is nothing less than America's mission statement, the words that ultimately bind the nation together. And words that we desperately need to rediscover because of our boiling partisan rage.

The Declaration is brilliant in structure and purpose. It was designed for multiple audiences: the King of Great Britain, the colonists, and the world. And it was designed for multiple purposes: rallying the troops, gaining foreign allies, and announcing the creation of a new country.

The Declaration is structured in five sections: the Introduction, Preamble, the Body composed of two parts, and the Conclusion. It's basically the most genius breakup letter ever written.

In the Introduction, step 1 is the notificationI think we need to break up. And to be fair, I feel I owe you an explanation...

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…

The Continental Congress felt they were entitled by “the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" to “dissolve the political bands," but they needed to prove the legitimacy of their cause. They were defying the world's most powerful nation and needed to motivate foreign allies to join the effort. So, they set their struggle within the entire “Course of human events." They're saying, this is no petty political spat — this is a major event in world history.

Step 2 is declaring what you believe in, your standardsHere's what I'm looking for in a healthy relationship...

This is the most famous part of the Declaration; the part school children recite — the Preamble:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That's as much as many Americans know of the Declaration. But the Preamble is the DNA of our nation, and it really needs to be taken as a whole:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Preamble takes us through a logical progression: All men are created equal; God gives all humans certain inherent rights that cannot be denied; these include the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; to protect those rights, we have governments set up; but when a government fails to protect our inherent rights, people have the right to change or replace it.

Government is only there to protect the rights of mankind. They don't have any power unless we give it to them. That was an extraordinarily radical concept then and we're drifting away from it now.

The Preamble is the justification for revolution. But note how they don't mention Great Britain yet. And again, note how they frame it within a universal context. These are fundamental principles, not just squabbling between neighbors. These are the principles that make the Declaration just as relevant today. It's not just a dusty parchment that applied in 1776.

Step 3 is laying out your caseHere's why things didn't work out between us. It's not me, it's you...

This is Part 1 of the Body of the Declaration. It's the section where Jefferson gets to flex his lawyer muscles by listing 27 grievances against the British crown. This is the specific proof of their right to rebellion:

He has obstructed the administration of justice...

For imposing taxes on us without our consent...

For suspending our own legislatures...

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us...

Again, Congress presented these “causes which impel them to separation" in universal terms to appeal to an international audience. It's like they were saying, by joining our fight you'll be joining mankind's overall fight against tyranny.

Step 4 is demonstrating the actions you took I really tried to make this relationship work, and here's how...

This is Part 2 of the Body. It explains how the colonists attempted to plead their case directly to the British people, only to have the door slammed in their face:

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury...

They too have been deaf to the voice of justice... We must, therefore... hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

This basically wrapped up America's argument for independence — we haven't been treated justly, we tried to talk to you about it, but since you refuse to listen and things are only getting worse, we're done here.

Step 5 is stating your intent — So, I think it's best if we go our separate ways. And my decision is final...

This is the powerful Conclusion. If people know any part of the Declaration besides the Preamble, this is it:

...that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved...

They left no room for doubt. The relationship was over, and America was going to reboot, on its own, with all the rights of an independent nation.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The message was clear — this was no pitchfork mob. These were serious men who had carefully thought through the issues before taking action. They were putting everything on the line for this cause.

The Declaration of Independence is a landmark in the history of democracy because it was the first formal statement of a people announcing their right to choose their own government. That seems so obvious to us now, but in 1776 it was radical and unprecedented.

In 1825, Jefferson wrote that the purpose of the Declaration was “not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of… but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm… to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take."

You're not going to do better than the Declaration of Independence. Sure, it worked as a means of breaking away from Great Britain, but its genius is that its principles of equality, inherent rights, and self-government work for all time — as long as we actually know and pursue those principles.

On June 7, 1776, the Second Continental Congress met in Philadelphia at the Pennsylvania State House, better known today as Independence Hall. Virginia delegate Richard Henry Lee introduced a motion calling for the colonies' independence. The “Lee Resolution" was short and sweet:

Resolved, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved.

Intense debate followed, and the Congress voted 7 to 5 (with New York abstaining) to postpone a vote on Lee's Resolution. They called a recess for three weeks. In the meantime, the delegates felt they needed to explain what they were doing in writing. So, before the recess, they appointed a five-man committee to come up with a formal statement justifying a break with Great Britain. They appointed two men from New England — Roger Sherman and John Adams; two from the middle colonies — Robert Livingston and Benjamin Franklin; and one Southerner — Thomas Jefferson. The responsibility for writing what would become the Declaration of Independence fell to Jefferson.

In the rotunda of the National Archives building in Washington, D.C., there are three original documents on permanent display: the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. These are the three pillars of the United States, yet America barely seems to know them anymore. We need to get reacquainted — quickly.

In a letter to his friend John Adams in 1816, Jefferson wrote: “I like the dreams of the future, better than the history of the past."

America used to be a forward-looking nation of dreamers. We still are in spots, but the national attitude that we hear broadcast loudest across media is not looking toward the future with optimism and hope. In late 2017, a national poll found 59% of Americans think we are currently at the “lowest point in our nation's history that they can remember."

America spends far too much time looking to the past for blame and excuse. And let's be honest, even the Right is often more concerned with “owning the left" than helping point anyone toward the practical principles of the Declaration of Independence. America has clearly lost touch with who we are as a nation. We have a national identity crisis.

The Declaration of Independence is America's thesis statement, and without it America doesn't exist.

It is urgent that we get reacquainted with the Declaration of Independence because postmodernism would have us believe that we've evolved beyond the America of our founding documents, and thus they're irrelevant to the present and the future. But the Declaration of Independence is America's thesis statement, and without it America doesn't exist.

Today, much of the nation is so addicted to partisan indignation that "day-to-day" indignation isn't enough to feed the addiction. So, we're reaching into America's past to help us get our fix. In 2016, Democrats in the Louisiana state legislature tabled a bill that would have required fourth through sixth graders to recite the opening lines of the Declaration. They didn't table it because they thought it would be too difficult or too patriotic. They tabled it because the requirement would include the phrase “all men are created equal" and the progressives in the Louisiana legislature didn't want the children to have to recite a lie. Representative Barbara Norton said, “One thing that I do know is, all men are not created equal. When I think back in 1776, July the fourth, African Americans were slaves. And for you to bring a bill to request that our children will recite the Declaration, I think it's a little bit unfair to us. To ask our children to recite something that's not the truth. And for you to ask those children to repeat the Declaration stating that all men's are free. I think that's unfair."

Remarkable — an elected representative saying it wouldn't be fair for students to have to recite the Declaration because “all men are not created equal." Another Louisiana Democrat explained that the government born out of the Declaration “was used against races of people." I guess they missed that part in school where they might have learned that the same government later made slavery illegal and amended the Constitution to guarantee all men equal protection under the law. The 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were an admission of guilt by the nation regarding slavery, and an effort to right the wrongs.

Yet, the progressive logic goes something like this: many of the men who signed the Declaration of Independence, including Thomas Jefferson who wrote it, owned slaves; slavery is evil; therefore, the Declaration of Independence is not valid because it was created by evil slave owners.

It's a sad reality that the left has a very hard time appreciating the universal merits of the Declaration of Independence because they're so hung up on the long-dead issue of slavery. And just to be clear — because people love to take things out of context — of course slavery was horrible. Yes, it is a total stain on our history. But defending the Declaration of Independence is not an effort to excuse any aspect of slavery.

Okay then, people might say, how could the Founders approve the phrase “All men are created equal," when many of them owned slaves? How did they miss that?

They didn't miss it. In fact, Thomas Jefferson included an anti-slavery passage in his first draft of the Declaration. The paragraph blasted King George for condoning slavery and preventing the American Colonies from passing legislation to ban slavery:

He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights to life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere... Determined to keep open a market where men should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce.

We don't say “execrable" that much anymore. It means, utterly detestable, abominable, abhorrent — basically very bad.

Jefferson was upset when Georgia and North Carolina threw up the biggest resistance to that paragraph. Ultimately, those two states twisted Congress' arm to delete the paragraph.

Still, how could a man calling the slave trade “execrable" be a slaveowner himself? No doubt about it, Jefferson was a flawed human being. He even had slaves from his estate in Virginia attending him while he was in Philadelphia, in the very apartment where he was writing the Declaration.

Many of the Southern Founders deeply believed in the principles of the Declaration yet couldn't bring themselves to upend the basis of their livelihood. By 1806, Virginia law made it more difficult for slave owners to free their slaves, especially if the owner had significant debts as Jefferson did.

At the same time, the Founders were not idiots. They understood the ramifications of signing on to the principles described so eloquently in the Declaration. They understood that logically, slavery would eventually have to be abolished in America because it was unjust, and the words they were committing to paper said as much. Remember, John Adams was on the committee of five that worked on the Declaration and he later said that the Revolution would never be complete until the slaves were free.

Also, the same generation that signed the Declaration started the process of abolition by banning the importation of slaves in 1807. Jefferson was President at the time and he urged Congress to pass the law.

America has an obvious road map that, as a nation, we're not consulting often enough.

The Declaration took a major step toward crippling the institution of slavery. It made the argument for the first time about the fundamental rights of all humans which completely undermined slavery. Planting the seeds to end slavery is not nearly commendable enough for leftist critics, but you can't discount the fact that the seeds were planted. It's like they started an expiration clock for slavery by approving the Declaration. Everything that happened almost a century later to end slavery, and then a century after that with the Civil Rights movement, flowed from the principles voiced in the Declaration.

Ironically for a movement that calls itself progressive, it is obsessed with retrying and judging the past over and over. Progressives consider this a better use of time than actually putting past abuses in the rearview and striving not to be defined by ancestral failures.

It can be very constructive to look to the past, but not when it's used to flog each other in the present. Examining history is useful in providing a road map for the future. And America has an obvious road map that, as a nation, we're not consulting often enough. But it's right there, the original, under glass. The ink is fading, but the words won't die — as long as we continue to discuss them.

'Good Morning Texas' gives exclusive preview of Mercury One museum

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Mercury One is holding a special exhibition over the 4th of July weekend, using hundreds of artifacts, documents and augmented reality experiences to showcase the history of slavery — including slavery today — and a path forward. Good Morning Texas reporter Paige McCoy Smith went through the exhibit for an exclusive preview with Mercury One's chief operating officer Michael Little on Tuesday.

Watch the video below to see the full preview.

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Over the weekend, journalist Andy Ngo and several other apparent right-leaning people were brutally beaten by masked-gangs of Antifa protesters in Portland, Oregon. Short for "antifascist," Antifa claims to be fighting for social justice and tolerance — by forcibly and violently silencing anyone with opposing opinions. Ngo, who was kicked, punched, and sprayed with an unknown substance, is currently still in the hospital with a "brain bleed" as a result of the savage attack. Watch the video to get the details from Glenn.