"Barack Obama talks about wanting to take care of people…I just moved my parents into my house. I’m not a millionaire… This guy, who has millions, can’t take care of his aunt and uncle? There’s something wrong there."
- Joe the Plumber talking about Obama's aunt who was found living in a Boston Slum
GLENN: Let's go to Joe the plumber with Glenn the radio host. Joe, how are you?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Hey, I'm doing real good, Glenn, how about yourself today?
GLENN: Very good, man. I had no idea that you listen to us.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Oh, Lord yeah. Anytime I'm out plumbing, you know, or I'm in my truck, I got you guys tuned in.
GLENN: Well, I mean, we're both kind of in the crap business. So you know what I'm saying?
JOE THE PLUMBER: (Laughing).
GLENN: What is your life like right now?
JOE THE PLUMBER: It's definitely in a state of flux. Right now I don't have a job and at the same time I believe it's, you know, kind of, America's taking more importance on my life right now than as far as my personal deal. You know, I'm real scared for America right now. So, you know, I'm just putting anything I got going on to the side and I'm doing my best to help McCain get elected and make sure people understand more about Obama. So that's kind of what my life's been telling right now.
GLENN: Let me ask you this, Joe. When you stood up at the rope line, was that an honest question? Was that a setup? Were you just really wanting to know? Why were you at the Obama campaign and at the rope line?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Actually I wasn't at any rope line or Obama campaign. I was just popping football with my son in my front yard and he came over next to us. It's the other way around, Bubba.
GLENN: Was it -- it seemed like a rope line to me. I've seen that a hundred times. It looking like a rope line. He came over to you?
JOE THE PLUMBER: That's are all my neighbors standing around. No reap line. He was just canvassing neighborhoods. You know, the reason why I went up to him is because every single one of us always want to get a politician in front of him. It's like, why do you do that, you idiot? I had my chance to go over there and ask a question. I took it.
GLENN: So today I'm reading a story that shows that the members of the government, police and everything else assisted Barack Obama and the media to find out everything they could about you. They found out -- they went to get your address, then they went in to look at your tax records, then they looked to see if you had ever received welfare, ever received unemployment. How frightening is that?
JOE THE PLUMBER: It's downright scary, man. It kind of freaked me out. I asked a simple question and they vet me out like I'm trying to get top security clearance or something like that, you know, and then right back at them. You know, this guy wants to be President of the world -- or President of the country.
GLENN: President of the world. He does.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Caught myself there.
GLENN: You were right, though.
JOE THE PLUMBER: He wants to be President of the country and we don't know anything about this guy. As far as accusations made about me, as far as my taxes and my plumbing license, I answered them straight and honest. I didn't evade them. I didn't tap dance around them. I said, yes, I owe taxes, you know, yes, my wife, you know, as far as the question in how I practice plumbing. I'm still a plumber. That goes without saying. Barack Obama, this LA Times tape, he won't come out and say, yeah, show it, I don't have nothing to hide, I haven't hid anything. And they ran me through the gambit. They haven't ran him through anything. I challenge him to release that tape, let's see it.
GLENN: So what do you think this means, Joe, that we can find out about you within 24 hours but for two years we've been trying to get things about Barack Obama. Look how long it took to finally get him to admit that, oh, gee, I guess my pastor is a spooky dude, when there's no doubt in my mind that he knew. There's no way -- when you start to put the puzzle pieces together of this guy, he clearly has Marxist views. We find out today in the paper that his uncle, who Barack Obama said I've lost track of -- he went missing -- has just been evicted. His aunt is living in a slum and yet I know everything about you. Why?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Actually, Glenn, one thing you don't know about me, Barack Obama talks about wanting to take care of people. You know, just that information you shared with me just now is ridiculous. I just moved my parents into my house. You know, I'm not a millionaire. You know, I don't make $100,000 a year. We had to tighten our belts a little bit. Friends and family came together. We turned the garage into a bedroom, they moved them in. That's what America's about, about family taking care of family, neighbors neighbors, you know, community. It starts there. It doesn't start at the federal government and work its way down. And this guy who, you know, has millions, can't take care of his own aunt and uncle? There's something wrong there.
GLENN: See, boy, you should run for office, Joe. This is the -- this is exactly what we were talking about before. It starts at home. It doesn't start at the federal level. It's Joe Biden. It's -- well, Barack Obama is the same way. The donations to charity, almost nonexistent between these two guys and all they want to do is take the money from people like you, take the money from people like me and then force us to give charity money to places like ACORN, which I don't agree with. While their own families are struggling.
JOE THE PLUMBER: I don't agree with it, either. I mean, them two seem to use God and church as a punch line just to make people feel good when they're there. It sickens me, you know, for God and church to be used like that.
GLENN: You're from Ohio.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Yes, sir.
GLENN: How do you, how do you think Ohio is going to -- do you think Ohio's going to pull the lever for Barack Obama?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, you know, I pray they don't. You know, I've been running around town here and around the state a bit and, you know, I've had a lot of people come up to me, you know, McCain supporters telling me, hey, thanks for asking that question. But I've had a lot of Barack Obama supporters come up to me and say, hey, thanks for asking that question, you know, I'm really going to have to rethink this. I'm hoping people are waking up. Ohio, as far as if you believe the polls, which I honestly don't ever pay attention to. I mean, the vote's not in until it's in is how I look at things like that. But a lot of people are starting to question and I'm hoping they start questioning more and that's, you know, kind of what I've been spouting off is, you know, don't listen to my opinion. I'm sorry, Glenn, I tell them not to listen to yours, either. I tell them to go out and get the facts. Get the facts.
GLENN: I do, too.
JOE THE PLUMBER: I know you do. I know you do. And that's the biggest thing right there. You know, everyone else has got an opinion. Then they go off half cocked and they start spouting someone else's opinion. They have no legs to stand on. They don't know how to defend it and they don't even know why they have that opinion except for, you know, some talk show host said it or, you know, some magazine said it, you know. Find out. Find out. If you find out, it might scare you.
GLENN: Joe, I read a story today that you said a vote for Barack Obama is a vote against Israel. Why do you say that?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Well, you know, a couple of reasons. He looked at his past associations, Glenn, they're scary. I mean, you've got Reverend Wright. I know he likes to disassociate himself with that.
GLENN: You can't.
JOJOE THE PLUMBER: If it was my reverend and I did that, it would be a slap in the face to him. Anyway, you got the guy Rasheed Khalidi, you know, spokesman for the PLO, the fact that they have been friends. You know, from what I've understood and what I've read, this is what I've gathered and these are the --
GLENN: No, Khalidi, it is my understanding, I'm looking at one of my researchers to make sure that this is accurate. Khalidi, the relationship with Khalidi includes Barack Obama's family, his children being baby-sat by the Khalidi parents.
JOE THE PLUMBER: That's pretty serious, man. I mean, so, you know, if I wasn't -- being an American that makes me even wonder more. I mean, that's just, that's serious stuff, real serious. Anyways, Barack has engaged the enemies of America. Not, you know, Iran, which you've done a great thing about bringing that up to the surface but, you know, he's engaged Iran. These people talked about wiping Israel off the -- you know, turning them into a parking lot and here, you know, presidential candidate wants to talk to him without any kind of conditions and actually even had the President try to take some conditions to us. You know, we're Americans, man. You don't dictate to us. span>
GLENN: Are you concerned at all, Joe? You are just a public citizen. Even Bill Clinton when it came, he used the IRS as a weapon. I mean, the IRS was investigated for tax fraud. I believe the entire time of the Clinton administration. They found nothing on anyone at the NRA but it was just to keep tying them up and tying them up and making their life miserable. Are you concerned at all with a guy or an administration that always is using, well, you are just a racist, you are a hate monger, you are this. Are you concerned about any kind of retribution for what you've said if Barack Obama happens to become President?
JOE THE PLUMBER: You know, it's been in the back of my mind and, you know, some of my friends are, you know, saying I'm not going to stand close to you, man, you're going to get shot. And, you know, God, I hope America's not that bad where, you know, someone would do that because I don't want to get shot. So it's in the back of my mind. Hopefully they don't do it. As far as that goes, you know, the IRS and, you know, using it as a weapon, you know, that's why I'm a big proponent of the flat tax, you know, get rid of the IRS and go that route. Democrats always talk about fair. What's more fair than that?
GLENN: What would you say to people who say, you know, just, A, I don't want to do it, I mean, it's just too much; I'm not a political person; I don't want to get involved; I don't want to stand up. They're afraid to or they're just, they're just unwilling to stand up. What do you have to say to the average American about the time we live in?
JOE THE PLUMBER: Honestly they got the same feelings I got. I mean, until, you know, I actually asked Obama a question, I felt the same way, disenfranchised with the whole ridiculous system of politics in America right now. I mean really, I mean, how can I get up there and, you know, tell them I'm upset without coming off as sounding, you know, like a hate monger or something like that. The problem with that, they are up there spending our money, you know, just roughshod, you know -- you know, they don't represent us anymore. They get up there and they forget all about what they promised and they go do what they want. As far as the average American, where is his voice at? He doesn't really get to say, guys, whoa, whoa, what are you doing there, man, you know, stop. Stop spending my money, you know, stop digging in my pockets. They don't have a voice. And, you know, that's quite the only reason why I've even carried on. I'm actually a private guy. You know, I have a close group of friends and that's about it, but I've been given a responsibility, I believe, to, you know, keep talking. I keep getting letters, I get phone calls. You know, a 72-year-old guy called me up last night, you know, not crying but I mean, he was really upset, "You know, hey, I've worked all my life, I'm 72 years old and, you know, the stock market took a dump and now I have nothing. What are me and my wife going to do." You know, I don't have an answer for that guy, you know. I said, you know, I'll pray for you and, you know, I pray that something turns around for you, sir. But, you know, I don't have that answer but if I can get your message out there, I will. So that's why I'm still, you know, I'm not seeking the spotlight. I don't actually like my face on TV or any of that stuff and, you know, people can believe me or not. That's going to be their opinion. But, you know, they are going to hear the message, though. I'm going to keep on talking for middle class people that, you know, contact me. So, you know, that's why I'm out here, brother.
GLENN: I've got to tell you, Joe, you are more plain spoken, you are right on the money more than 80% of the politicians I have talked to in the last five years. You keep going, brother. Thanks a lot.
JOE THE PLUMBER: Hey, thanks a lot, Glenn. I really appreciate the time with you, brother.
GLENN: You got it. We'll talk to you again. Joe the plumber.