Glenn Beck with Sen. Hatch: 'Constitution is hanging by a thread'




US Senator Orrin Hatch

GLENN: From Radio City in Midtown Manhattan, third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, you sick twisted freak. Welcome to the program. My name is Glenn Beck. Senator Orrin Hatch is with us today with a view from Washington on what this day actually means for America if things go as, you know, MSNBC is predicting. Hello, Senator, how are you, sir?

SENATOR HATCH: Well, nice to be with you, Glenn. I appreciate your program and I appreciate all that you are trying to do here in spreading the word.

GLENN: Thank you, sir. Tell me, what does this mean if there is a filibuster-proof Senate and Barack Obama is the President of the United States?

SENATOR HATCH: One of the most important things about our constitutional way of life is we have checks and balances. The Senate has always been a check on really outrageous legislation, and the filibuster rule which is Rule 22 in the Senate, that allows the minority to protect itself and to protect the country from really, really outrageous legislation like the card check bill. Now, the Democrats call the card check bill the employee free choice act. It's anything but that. What that bill says, that if union organizers -- and these are not little people.

GLENN: Right.

SENATOR HATCH: If they come to the homes of your employees and they get 50% of employees plus one to sign a union card, you are unionized without an election.

GLENN: Hang on just a second, it really -- they can come to your employee's home.

SENATOR HATCH: They can get you in bars, they can get you anywhere. They will generally go to homes. And these people are going to sign cards. Everywhere they have had the card check legislation enacted, the businesses have become 85% unionized. You know, even George McGovern is against that. To think that the Democrats will do away with a secret ballot election. And by the way, Glenn, that's not the worst part of the bill. Either side can demand mediation. Within 90 days if you can't get a collective bargaining agreement put together -- and the unions will never allow you to do that. Why? Because at the end of those 90 days, you have to succumb to government mandated, government-run arbitration, where the government sets the wages, terms and conditions of employment for your business. I mean, my gosh, it's --

GLENN: Senator, I don't know what has happened to our country. I mean, we are swinging so far to the left. I mean, I played a piece of audio from Secretary of Agriculture Benson from the 1960s where he said people will -- he said Kruschev told him that Americans are so naive, we'll spoon socialism down their throat, you know, and over the years; before you know it, you'll raise the red flag. And here we are. We're at a point to where our country and our Constitution is slipping through our fingers.

SENATOR HATCH: Well, I hate to tell you that bill is not the worst -- it's the worst thing as far as I'm concerned, but there are a lot of bad things. If we don't have that firewall of at least 41 solid Republican senators, then I think it's over for our country in a lot of ways because we're going to go straight to socialism and, of course, if you look -- look, I like Barack Obama as a human being. He seems to be a decent, reasonable, nice, intelligent, good looking man who's very charismatic. But if you look at what he's been saying over the last year or so it's all platitudes and generalities on so-called change. I mean, really when it comes -- we're in a time in our lives where national security and foreign policy are extremely, extremely important and nobody doubts that John McCain is head and shoulders above Barack Obama there. And then you --



GLENN: Senator --

SENATOR HATCH: Go ahead. I'm sorry.

GLENN: No, I hate to interrupt. I want to go back before you move on. You are not a guy who is known as being a bomb thrower.

SENATOR HATCH: No, I'm concerned.

GLENN: Yeah, you are a guy who has always been, you're an old school senator. You are the kind of guy that, you know, you get together afterwards and you say good things about each other and you fight hard, but when it's over, it's over. You just said on this program that in a lot of ways the country is over if we don't have a filibuster capability in the Senate. What do you mean by that?

SENATOR HATCH: Let me give you an illustration. I had one Democrat, I said, are you with me on card check? And the Democrat said, "Oh, yeah, it's a terrible, terrible bill." But then he said, "I'm voting for cloture." I said, come on. I said, that's the whole vote. I said, if we can't stop that with extended debate, then it isn't going to be stopped. And once that comes through, the card check bill, I think it's going to be very difficult to get America back because it would take 60 votes. We would never have 60 votes as a Republican party. It would take 60 votes to have the unions have to conform to the campaign laws like everybody else has to. We've never been able to do that.

In fact, Glenn, here's something. As you know, I've been trying to raise money for Republican senators all over the country to try and prevent the loss of this firewall and I've had a few Republicans say, I'm mad at Republicans, too, because they should have done more, they should have done this. I said, wait a minute. I've been in the Senate for 32 years. There has not been one day where the fiscally conservative point of view has been in the majority, not one day in the Senate. Now, why is that? Because we always have four, five or six liberal Republicans who go with the almost all liberal Democrat. The closest was McCain when we had the last congress where we had 55 Republicans and 45 Democrats. But even then by the time you took the liberals who would go with the Democrats, it was at best 50/50. So we really have never had the majority necessary to be able to cause the unions or even liberal Democrats to have to conform with the laws that everybody else has to conform with.

GLENN: Senator, do you believe -- I mean, when I heard Barack Obama talk about the Constitution and I thought, we are at the point or we are very near the point where our Constitution is hanging by a thread.

SENATOR HATCH: You got that right. And I tell you what is really fearful to me besides -- there are so many issues but I've mentioned card check. What's fearful to me is the makeup of the United States Supreme Court. Obama has said that he's going to appoint people who are more concerned about the poor and those who don't have a lot of wealth. Well, that's not what the Supreme Court should be doing. It should be concerned about the poor, the wealthy, everybody. It should be concerned about obeying the law and enforcing the laws of the Constitution.

GLENN: Justice is supposed to be blind.

SENATOR HATCH: What?

GLENN: Justice is supposed to be blind.

SENATOR HATCH: You got that right. Now he's made it very clear that it isn't going to be blind, that they're going to sway the court in favor of what he considers to be the poor. The problem is the poor are constantly changing and millionaires are constantly changing. The greatest thing about this country is that you can be poor, raised poor and wind up a multimillionaire because of the opportunities that this country offers you.

Now, if you change the Supreme Court to where it isn't obeying the law, that means the Supreme Court becomes the superlegislature. None of those justices are elected to those positions. They are appointed for life. And the Democrats want to make it a superlegislature that will pass legislation from the bench that they could never get through the elected representatives of the people in congress. And that's what they are up to, and I'm telling you it's a scary, scary thing.

GLENN: Let me play a piece of audio. This is another thing that frightens me. I want to play this. This is Charlie Rangel. Listen to the way he's speaking about Barack Obama. Play this audio.

RANGEL: On Tuesday we'll be able to say, who's been able to bring to us one of the greatest Presidents we will ever see, Barack Obama. Who are we going to elect? Barack Obama. Who's the next President? Barack Obama. Who is our hero? Barack Obama. Who is going to lead us out of poverty? Barack Obama. Who is going to save the United States of America? Barack Obama. Who is going to save the entire world? Barack Obama. And who do we love? Barack Obama. God bless.

GLENN: Stop. Senator, it is beyond, it is -- this is so far beyond anything we've ever seen before. This is so easily turning -- and I'm not saying that Barack Obama would do this, but I believe there are forces in this country that would like to do it. This is the benevolent dictator that could come to our country. At the drop of a hat somebody in this country does something stupid and we could be in fascism. Benevolent fascism the next day.

SENATOR HATCH: Well, I don't think it will take us to fascism. I think it will take us to socialism and beyond. Let's look at it. The national journal says that he's the most liberal senator in the Senate. I can confirm that. Biden is the third most liberal. Hey, the fourth is Bernie Sanders, the avowed socialist. They are good people, I like them all, but don't think they are not from the far left. They are. And let me tell you something. I've got to give Barack Obama credit and the people who have run his campaign. They have run an excellent campaign and, of course, it's astronomical how much money they have raised. Three quarters of a billion dollars for Barack Obama in this race. And I might add he is continually condemning Wall Street. Are you kidding? Wall Street's his biggest supporter. Wall Street has plundered the Democrats senatorial committee like you can't believe. Those people have to be nuts. They are sowing the seeds of their own destruction. And not everybody in Wall Street, but I'm talking about the vast majority of money has come right from Wall Street and yet Obama acts like he is against Wall Street. Give me a break.

GLENN: But you know what, Senator, this country, from the top to the bottom, we're now short-term thinkers. You know, Wall Street looks at it and says, "Oh, well, he will bail us out, he will help us here, he will help us do this." And it's short-term thinker. Nobody is thinking about the next generation. You know, the words of Ronald Reagan where he said, "No generation in the history of Earth has ever tasted freedom, lost it, and then tasted it again." We are so close to losing our Constitution. We are so close to losing what we have, and people aren't thinking. The next generation our children will look to us and say, "You sold my freedom for what?"

SENATOR HATCH: Well, let me tell you something. I believe the Constitution is hanging by a thread. I've been fighting the save it for all 32 years I've been in the Senate and I think anybody who looks at it knows I've been in almost every fight that's been saving the Constitution. When I look at it, you have John McCain. Yes, he has some -- he irritates people from time to time, but everybody knows he's a hero. Everybody knows he's to you. Everybody knows he wants to get spending under control. He is the only one who wants to get spending under control. He's taken on his own side. He's taken on the Democrats. Everybody knows that he's head and shoulders above Obama on national security and foreign policy. Obama thinks we've got to be loved by the Europeans. I'd rather be respected by the Europeans and that's what you are going to get with McCain. They may love Obama, because he wants to make us like the Europeans, like France. And I've got to tell you, who in Europe, in liberal socialist areas of Europe wouldn't love Obama with what he's standing for.

But it's more than that. If you want more and more taxes, if you want the federal government to control more and more of your lives, he's going to spend $1 trillion. He's already talking about a trillion more dollars in spending. He doesn't understand the energy needs of our society. He isn't for using coal until we get energy self-sufficient. Heck, coal provides for -- and clean burn coal provides for 50% of our electricity in this country. We can't ignore that, but he does. And he doesn't understand energy, one of the biggest issues in our country. I could go through the whole thing, and you are talking to a senator who's put the tax credits in for wind, solar, geothermal, you know, and the hybrid cars and plug-in hybrid cars. I'm telling you, I'm right at the forefront of that. But that's all well and good and we ought to do everything in our power to go that way, but he doesn't seem to understand that until we get there, this country's running on oil and on coal.

GLENN: How do we stop -- I mean, Al Gore is going to, within a week we will be hearing the celebrations from Al Gore and the greenies.

SENATOR HATCH: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: And the carbon cap and trade system, which is --

SENATOR HATCH: Going to bankrupt America. It will bankrupt America, I'll tell you.

GLENN: Bankrupt us.

SENATOR HATCH: I tell you, it sounds good but it makes us uncompetitive to the rest of the world. Now, I think we should be bigger, I think we should do everything we can against greenhouse gases but I think we've got to approach it in an intelligent, you know, logical way. We don't just make the United States uncompetitive with the rest of the world. You know, I've got to tell you my biggest worries are national security foreign policy worries, the Supreme Court, taxation, and, of course, the move towards having the federal government control all of the aspects of our lives. These are all things that I think the Obama people are for. And they are sincerely for it. They actually believe that they are on the right track. The thing that's made this country great is that we pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps. We have competition. We have free trade. He's against free trade, and a lot of that is dictated by the unions.

Now, why? The unions have admitted that they have put a billion dollars into local, state and federal elections over the last two years. And I think it's more than that. Now, of that billion dollars, about $950 million of it is not reported anywhere in the campaign rules because we've never had the 60 votes to make them conform to the rules like everybody else has to. And they use that $950 million to get out the vote for Democrats. Republicans have nothing to compare with that. We have to win on logic and good programs and we're finding that more and more of our young people are looking for free handouts and the easy way of life and because all they get are platitudes and generalities from the Democrats who are moving us towards, you know, towards what by any measure is a measure of socialism.

GLENN: Senator, before we let you go, and I know you are busy and I appreciate your time. I have heard from several people that -- and I'm not talking about hope. There's always hope and there's always -- because I believe in the American people and I know you do, too.

SENATOR HATCH: I do. I do.

GLENN: So listen carefully to the question because I'm not talking about the general hope of, I believe in the people of America. But people keep telling me, oh, we've faced bad times before, we have faced -- and what I keep saying to them is, not like this. There is the perfect storm. We are so weak and vulnerable on so many big issues that this thing could slip through our fingers. This is a critical time in our country. It's not something that we're like, "Oh, well, four years, it will be bad and then we'll be back." True or false?

SENATOR HATCH: Well, you are right about that. And let me just say I would recommend to everybody, even though it's election day, this isn't going to be over on election day because there are some races that may still have to continue. That everybody ought to go to NRSC. That's National Republican Senatorial Committee. NRSC.org and donate whatever they can. Everybody listening today, from 10 bucks to 1,000 bucks, whatever you can give. Because this is a battle for control of the Senate and we're going to lose races in the Republican Senate. What we cannot lose is that firewall that protects this country from irresponsible legislation and irresponsible work within the bureaucracy that is bound to come if Obama's elected President.

Now, I'm not so sure he is. He personally believe that John McCain is the Truman and Barack of this election. I really believe when people go to the polls they are going to say, I've got to go with a guy I know, I can't go with somebody who I don't know.

GLENN: I have to tell you, Senator, I hold out hope as well for that. Senator, I've got to run but thank you very much, sir, and we'll talk again.

SENATOR HATCH: Keep up the good work. I'm very proud of you, Glenn.

GLENN: Thank you, sir.

I think we can all agree, both on the Left and the Right, that children who have been caught up in illegal immigration is an awful situation. But apparently what no one can agree on is when it matters to them. This past weekend, it suddenly — and even a little magically — began to matter to the Left. Seemingly out of nowhere, they all collectively realized this was a problem and all rushed to blame the Trump administration.

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Here's Rachel Maddow yesterday:

I seem to remember getting mocked by the Left for showing emotion on TV, but I'll give her a pass here. This is an emotional situation. But this is what I can't give her a pass on: where the heck was this outrage and emotion back in 2014? Because the same situation going on today — that stuff Maddow and the rest of the Left have only just now woken up to — was going on back in July 2014! And it was arguably worse back then.

I practically begged and pleaded for people to wake up to what was going on. We had to shed light on how our immigration system was being manipulated by people breaking our laws, and they were using kids as pawns to get it done. But unlike the gusto the Left is using now to report this story, let's take a look at what Rachel Maddow thought was more important back in 2014.

On July 1, 2014, Maddow opened her show with a riveting monologue on how President Obama was hosting a World Cup viewing party. That's hard-hitting stuff right there.

On July 2, 2014, Maddow actually acknowledged kids were at the border, but she referenced Health and Human Services only briefly and completely rushed through what was actually happening to these kids. She made a vague statement about a "policy" stating where kids were being taken after their arrival. She also blamed Congress for not acting.

See any difference in reporting there from today? That "policy" she referenced has suddenly become Trump's "new" policy, and it isn't Congress's fault… it's all on the President.

She goes on throughout the week.

On July 7, 2014, her top story was something on the Koch brothers. Immigration was only briefly mentioned at the end of the show. This trend continued all the way through the week. I went to the border on July 19. Did she cover it? Nope. In fact, she didn't mention kids at the border for the rest of the month. NOT AT ALL.

Do you care about immigrant kids who have been caught in the middle of a broken immigration system or not?

Make up your minds. Is this an important issue or not? Do you care about immigrant kids who have been caught in the middle of a broken immigration system or not? Do you even care to fix it, or is this what it looks like — just another phony, addicted-to-outrage political stunt?

UPDATE: Here's how this discussion went on radio. Watch the video below.

Glenn gives Rachel Maddow the benefit of the doubt

Rachel Maddow broke down in tears live on her MSNBC show over border crisis.

Progressives think the Obamas are a gift to the world. But their gift is apparently more of the metaphorical kind. It doesn't extend to helpful, tangible things like saving taxpayers money. Illinois has approved $224 million to pay for street and transportation upgrades around the planned site of the Obama Presidential Center. The catch is that Illinois taxpayers will have to cover $200 million of that cost. For a presidential museum.

Eight years of multiplying the national debt wasn't enough for Barack Obama. Old fleecing habits die hard. What's another $200 million here and there, especially for something as important as an Obama tribute center?

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That's all well and good except Illinois can't even fund its pension system. The state has a $137 billion funding shortfall. That means every person in Illinois owes $11,000 for pensions, and there is no plan to fix the mess. Unless Illinois progressives have discovered a new kind of math, this doesn't really add up. You can't fund pensions, but you're going to figure out a way to milk the public for another $200 million to help cover the cost of a library?

It's hard to imagine who in their right mind would think this will be money well spent. Well, except for maybe Chicago Mayor and former Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel who said, "The state's… investment in infrastructure improvements near the Obama Center on the South Side of Chicago is money well spent."

Some presidential overreach lasts longer than others.

The spending has already been signed into law, even though the Obama library has not received construction approval yet. Part of the holdup is that the proposed site is on public land in historic Jackson Park. That doesn't seem very progressive of the Obamas, but, you know, for certain presidents, you go above and beyond. It's just what you do. Some presidential overreach lasts longer than others.

Here's the thing about taxing the peasants so the king can build a fancy monument to himself – it's wrong. And completely unnecessary. The Obamas have the richest friends on the planet who could fund this project in their sleep. If the world simply must have a tricked-out Obama museum, then let private citizens take out their wallets voluntarily.

As the Mercury Museum proved this weekend, it is possible to build an exhibit with amazing artifacts that attracts a ton of visitors – and it cost taxpayers approximately zero dollars.

'The fool builds walls': China blasts Trump over tariffs

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I can picture it now: Thousands of years ago, Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor of China, standing before hordes of his followers, in the Qin Dynasty, with a bright red bamboo hat on, and chanting, "Build that wall!"

It took a couple centuries to build the thing, but it got built. And it has been carefully maintained over the last 2,000 years, but, today, the Great Wall of China is so massive that astronauts can see it during good weather conditions from the lower part of low Earth orbit. The wall boasts over 3,000 miles of towers and brick embankments, with over 1,200 miles of natural defensive barriers. It's worth mentioning that the Chinese government is also exceptionally good at imposing digital walls, so much so that China ranks worst in the world for internet freedom.

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So it's a little strange to hear an editorial run by a major news network in China criticized President Trump for his proposal to build a large wall along the southern border of America.

"Following the path of expanding and opening up is China's best response to the trade dispute between China and the United States, and is also the responsibility that major countries should have to the world," the author wrote. "The wise man builds bridges, the fool builds walls."

Similarly, the Pope told reporters in 2016, "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not the gospel."

Don't throw stones at people who want to build walls when you live in place surrounded by walls.

If you've been to the Vatican, you know that it is surrounded by enormous walls. The same goes for all the celebrities who live in heavily walled compounds—a safety measure—but who have also vehemently criticized President Trump's plans to build a wall.

You know the adage: "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at other people's glass houses." Perhaps the phrase needs an update: Don't throw stones at people who want to build walls when you live in place surrounded by walls.

An immaculate Nazi doctor hovers over newborn. He probes and sneers at it. "Take it away," he says. This is the very real process that Nazi doctors undertook during the era of Nazi Germany: Nazi eugenics, the studious, sterile search to find children who would define a pure breed for the German lineage. The Übermensch.

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During a speech to a delegation of Italy's Family Association in Rome on Saturday, Pope Francis referred to this cruel Nazi practice, which he used as a comparison to the increasingly popular process throughout Europe of "ending" birth defects, by offering abortions to women who have babies with chromosomal defects.

Here are two passages from the Pope's remarks:

I have heard that it's fashionable, or at least usual, that when in the first months of pregnancy they do studies to see if the child is healthy or has something, the first offer is: let's send it away.

And:

I say this with pain. In the last century the whole world was scandalized about what the Nazis did to purify the race. Today we do the same, but now with white gloves.

When CNN got the quote, and it shocked them so much that they had to verify the quote with the Vatican—in other words, it didn't fit the usual narrative.

It didn't fit the usual narrative.

The Pope also addressed claims that he has dedicated himself to LGBTQ causes:

Today, it is hard to say this, we speak of "diversified" families: different types of families. It is true that the word "family" is an analogical word, because we speak of the "family" of stars, family" of trees, "family" of animals ... it is an analogical word. But the human family in the image of God, man and woman, is the only one. It is the only one. A man and woman can be non-believers: but if they love each other and unite in marriage, they are in the image of God even if they don't believe.

The media have largely seen Pope Francis as the cool Pope, as the Obama of Catholicism. It'll be interesting to see how abruptly and severely that perspective changes.