|In 2004 while being bored and delayed waiting at an airport in Iowa, Glenn sees the self important Al Franken telling the people at the airline counter why HE (Franken) needs special treatment since he's Al Franken... Glenn took this opportunity to get his picture taken with Al.|
Glenn: Stu, can you give me -- can you give me a rundown on -- somebody ransom numbers and said for this thing to come into line with Al Franken, Al Franken needed to come up with a certain number of votes. It could only be this distance apart. Can you explain this real quick?
Stu: Yeah. Basically there's 34,916 unrecorded votes for the Senate race in Minnesota and basically they, you know -- one of these stat guys we've talked about, 538.com is a guy who is a big statistician and he went through and looked at Florida and there's so much detail ton that race, you could tell how many people voted for just presidents, skipped a race or how many people typically voted in two things or one or whatever and they actually lowered this now to how many votes they think all these votes will go and it's going to favor Franken because they're mostly democratic circles. They now believe it will know about 206 votes to Al Franken.
Glenn: Okay. So, now, how many -- on the night of the election, it was 725 votes between norm Coleman and Al Franken. Wednesday it had shrunk to 277. Thursday it was down to 236, Friday, 239. By the way, the new number is exactly 206. We go to -- is he on the phone? Do we have John Lott on the phone net? No. We apparently lost him.
Okay. John Lott is a guy who is a number crunch err and he's a guy who's been looking at this. You will not believe what is happening now in Minnesota. In Minnesota now they are finding votes in people's cars. How are they finding votes in people's cars? Why should we count the ones that were sitting in a car? Correcting typos, they found 435 votes to Al Franken and they took 69 votes from Coleman. They're not finding any in favor of Coleman, just the other way around and it just becomes more and more odd. John Lott, welcome to the program. John, they have found an awful lot of votes for Al Franken.
Lott: Yeah. I know. It's been pretty amazing. I mean, just from a statistical point of view, what's the probability that this would happen. If you compare the U.S. Senate race there to either the presidential race in Minnesota or all the congressional races or all the state representative races in the entire state there, you have more total changes that have occurred in the U.S. Senate race than the sum of all the other races there that have been there in the state.
Glenn: So, more people made a mistake than to have us believe?
Lott: Right. That's correct in these typos, that's correct.
Glenn: The mistake was always for Al Franken or against him when they corrected it, that went for more than all the other errors in every other category in the entire state in every race?
Lott: That's right.
Lott: In particular, I mean, there were three precincts in particular that accounted for almost all of the errors in favor of Franken. I mean, you had a number of precincts, about 40 or so, that had some errors in it, but there were three in particular, one that was just a little bit north of Deluth that accounted for almost half of the errors in favor of Franken, but there were two other counties that -- or two other precincts that accounted for about 100 each.
Glenn: Yeah, but we're looking at -- those are three precincts. There can't be a lot of precincts. If almost all of them are coming from these three precincts, I mean, what are there, six precincts?
Lott: That's 4130 precincts in the state.
Glenn: Wow. That's odd, huh? You would think if there was some sort of a problem, it would have been kind of widespread.
Lott: Right. Well, I mean, just -- the one precinct that gave Franken half the votes that he's picked up, you had more errors in that one precinct than in the entire state for the presidential race or the entire state for all the congressional races or the entire state for all the state representative I was 0 races.
Glenn: Well the Minnesota Star Tribune says the mistakes in that one particular precinct was because the county officials were exhausted. So, there must have been mistakes in all of the races, not just the Senate race there in that one precinct.
Lott: Well, I can tell a little bit of facetiousness in your question, the way you ask it. It was the only race that they had a mistake. None of the other races in that precincts did they have a mistake in how it was entered.
Glenn: Were they only sleepy while punching in votes for Al Franken and wide awake on every other race?
Lott: I don't know. I mean, you would have to -- it seems a little hard to believe. I'm just saying that if you look at this across the state, it's just surprising that you see these errors being so large in these few precincts that are just overwhelming -- even all the -- sum of the errors across the entire rest of the state and why would it only occur in the one race where it was cross and not just the type of errors in every race where it wasn't close is the real hard thing to figure out.
Glenn: By the way, John Lott is the author of Freedomonics and a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland. Tell me a little bit about the acorn influence here.
Lott: Well, acorn obviously across the country has been involved in registering a lot of individuals. The question is how many times they've registered a number of those people and in Minnesota there were 43,000 registrations that were entered in. That's about 75 percent of all the new voters in Minnesota over the last two years. And they've accounted -- they had a big impact here, particularly when you're talking about a race where right now you're talking about a couple hundred votes that may be separating the two candidates, even a small amount of fraud there, and Minnesota doesn't have this -- even has kind of the most minimal rules in terms of ID requirements. One can go and the first time that you vote, you can go and show a utility bill, for example, which are very easy to forge. All you have to do is have paper that looks like, you know, from the utility company and have a computer and a printer and it's easy enough to make up an ID.