Glenn Beck talks with Jonah Goldberg


Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg

GLENN: We go to one of my favorite writers, Jonah Goldberg, on the program. Hey, Jonah, how are you, sir?

GOLDBERG: I'm good. How are you?

GLENN: I'm good, I'm good. You know, Jonah, there are two books that I have found -- sorry I'm losing my voice, but there are two books that I found over the last year that I talked an awful lot about and I don't know if either author really, really understands the impact that their books could have if people really read them. One of them was Amity Shlaes. She wrote a history book on the Great Depression and she herself didn't even see the parallels in it, as I talked to her about it a couple of years ago and I said -- or maybe a year ago and I said, you know, Amity, it's the same stuff. And she didn't even see it until recently. Jonah, I don't know. Do you see in your book, Liberal Fascism, do you see everything starting to come together and repeat itself right now?

GOLDBERG: Oh, I can't imagine why you are saying that. Just because we had a cultish movement, youth movement that elected a supreme leader who was seen as a spiritual savior and redeemer of society who promised to create a civilian national security force, I mean, I have no idea why you would think there would be any relevance for my book today.

GLENN: When you started writing it, Jonah, you didn't know this was -- did you know this was all coming?

GOLDBERG: Well, you know, on one sense, you know, I would wake up over much of the last year saying, does Barack Obama really, is his chief motive here to sell more copies of my book? And so some of it really sort of surprised me. You know, the YouTube videos where they sort of turn him into this Messiah figure and the glassy-eyed children look like they are doing a North Korea pageant, that kind of stuff really surprised me but on the other hand the whole theme of my book is that these themes, these impulses, these motivating passions that we saw in, you know, the first half of the 20th century never went away and that they still exist in deluded form in contemporary American liberalism. And if that's true, and I think it was true, then it should be true of Barack Obama and lo and behold it is. So in one sense it makes sense. It's nice confirmation of my argument because, you know, I ended the book with a discussion essentially about Hillary Clinton and it turns out the person who defeated Hillary Clinton better represented the themes of my book than Hillary Clinton herself.

GLENN: Well, I will tell you this, Jonah. And please, if you have not picked up Liberal Fascism, when did it come out, a year ago?

GOLDBERG: In January.

GLENN: Oh, January. Gosh, time flies. In January I read this book and it opened my eyes to the history of this country and how things have been done in the past and what's coming our way, and I tell you I was up -- you know, I'm rehearsing this Broadway stage show that we're doing, that we're taking around and I'm in these big Broadway rehearsal halls there in Manhattan and let me just say I'm the first conservative commentator probably to ever use these rooms to rehearse in. And I was there night before last and it's about 10:00 at night and I walk out around the corner and here are all these 20-somethings and they are all wearing either Obama T-shirts or, you know, Obama pins or anything else. And when I walk around the corner, everybody just stops and they just look at me, and I look at one of the pins or whatever on the guy's jacket and I said, hey, how are you guys? And they went, fine. And as soon as I turn the corner -- this is how stupid they are, like I couldn't hear them -- they all just started laughing at, did you see that? He looked at it, man, he looked at it; we're showing him.

GOLDBERG: (Laughing).

GLENN: And it was, A, so ridiculous and I wanted to turn around and go, "Are you guys 12?" But it gave me the chills in the way I know how fascism has started in the past and it just feels like brown shirts are on the way. Am I --

GOLDBERG: I want to be careful.

GLENN: I'm not saying that that is but I just feel this anger from the extreme left and they could just so -- you know, it's, you're a Holocaust denier if you don't believe in global warming.

GOLDBERG: Well, you know, and it's funny. I did this thing the other day. You know, during the election they were calling Barack Obama a Messiah, a redeemer, the one and all that stuff and these guys want to ratchet down expectations. So now they are just comparing him to Abraham Lincoln and FDR, you know?


GLENN: Yeah, I know.

GOLDBERG: And, you know, I agree with you entirely that the psychology of -- there are a lot of college campuses talking about this book. The psychology of a lot of these Obama sort of kids, these kids with open toed shoes and closed minds, they have the same thing that youth always have, you know, more passion and idealism and certainty about the rightness of their position than they have wisdom or knowledge or experience. That's why we call them youth. You know, but they are not going to be brown shirts. This country is just too decent a place for them to be brown shirts. I think they could be green shirts, they could be, you know, the sort of environmentalist little, you know, kids who inform on their parents, who -- actually there's a British utility that has just launched a program called Climate Talks where they want kids to inform on their parents and develop a criminal dossier on their parents when their parents don't recycle, don't respect the environment and all that kind of stuff. So it can still be really, really bad but I don't think we're going to see, you know, pure Nazi style brown shirt thuggery but we'll see all sorts of things we don't wanted to see.

GLENN: Jonah, tell me -- thank you for saying this. You give me a little bit of hope, but I have to disagree with you. I see, I just see the beginning, and I don't mean that it's Barack Obama per se. I just see this, the far left, you know, the people who have been in that, you know, Michael Moore/Sean Penn kind of camp for a long time that would like to put other people in an actual camp, you know, you are seeing it now everywhere. They are starting to take on God, they are starting to blame things on conservatives, the hatred of talk radio.

I read an article where it was quoting the violence of talk radio and yet what's his name, William Ayers, can blow up buildings, write a book about it, say that it was okay, say that there are a lot of parallels from the 1960s to today and young people might consider what are they willing to do as long as nobody's harmed and yet we're the violent ones. And, you know, I've been reading the words of -- one of my researchers, I have him doing a lot of research on Adolf Hitler and Mussolini and what are the beginning signs, et cetera, et cetera, and the way that they changed religion, the way that they first reached out and then crushed it one by one, I believe it's starting to happen.

GOLDBERG: Again there's a lot of that stuff in my book and I agree with you with a lot of this. You know, the whole idea of fascism, people say that fascism, you know, and liberalism don't have anything in common because fascism was totalitarian. Well, fascism was totalitarian but it wasn't totalitarian the way the communists were. The communists just flat out took over everything. The way the fascists do it was they basically coopted one institution after another. They said basically if you're willing to promote our values, our ideological agenda, support for our, you know, our ambitions, then you can stay a nominally independent fraternity, you can stay a nominally independent business, on your own university, so long as you agree with us on everything. And when you look at things like environmentalism, there really is that sense like, you know, I think we're having green week again right now.

GLENN: Yeah, we are.

GOLDBERG: On NBC.

GLENN: Yes, we are.

GOLDBERG: Imagine if a network had announced pro life week, you know, the screaming about it. But all the, you know, hoity-toity establishment liberals think it's just a wonderful effort of civic-minded consciousness raising when mainstream network, a huge corporation aligns itself with the agenda of the government and with a political movement and... anyway.

GLENN: So hang on. Can you hang on after the break?

GOLDBERG: Sure.

GLENN: Okay, hang on after the break. I want you to think about this. Did you in all of your research, did you ever see the points -- because this is what I've been looking for -- where the people should have known, could have turned the tide, could have stood up to it. What should they have done and are we approaching that point, you know, what can we do that actually makes a difference in our own personal lives. And we'll get that answer coming up from Jonah Goldberg next.

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GLENN: 888-727-BECK. Jonah Goldberg, the author of Liberal Fascism, a good friend of the program. So Jonah --

GOLDBERG: Terrific dancer.

GLENN: You've never taken me dancing. I don't know that.

GOLDBERG: You?

GLENN: Jonah, the question that I asked you before is in all of your research when you looked at, you know, fascism, Mussolini -- and everybody thinks, oh, people here didn't love Mussolini. Yeah, they did. The liberal establishment here, the New York Times and Time magazine and FDR, everybody loved Mussolini. They thought he was great.

GOLDBERG: That's right. That's right.

GLENN: So when you saw all of this, did you get a chance to look at those movements, at the beginnings of them and was there a point, was there a tipping point to where the people were like, "Oh, crap, now it's too late."

GOLDBERG: Well, yeah. I mean, you know, as you know, there are different fascisms and they have a lot to do with the national character of where they come out and so in Germany it was just much more violent and dangerous and so historically the tipping point is the night of the long knives when Hitler basically kills his rivals in the movement. But again those sorts of tipping points, you know, they are already tipping points after the tipping point in a lot of ways. In Germany it was really, it was World War I that basically put the country on a path towards Naziism and I mean, there are lots of moments where if you were a time traveler and you went back, you would say, oh, if we had only killed Hitler after the Beer Hall Putsch, you would stop things, that kind of factual stuff. But I think in the American context the thing to keep in mind is that you are absolutely right: Among the intellectual classes there was an overwhelming consensus for something like fascism in the United States. You know, differences about doctrine or how it implemented and all the rest. But there was almost a universal yearning to restore Woodrow Wilson's war socialism, to have something like fascism here and the greatest work against it was the deeply embedded cultural love of freedom and democracy in this country, and I think if we're going to fight, whether you are right or I'm right about how bad it can get, the remedies are the same. You know, the remedy is fight tooth and nail on the principles of free speech. Don't make it about defending Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. You know, don't make it about protecting conservative talk radio. Make it about protecting free speech. On the union stuff with card check, you know, it's not about keeping unions from getting more powerful or rewarding the Democratic party with labor and all that kind of stuff. It is about protecting the secret ballot. These are the institutions that the founding fathers had in mind from the beginning to protect us, and it's an important thing to keep in mind. When Barack Obama talks about unity, you know, how we need to have unity and hope and hopeful unity and hopeful unified hopefulness or whatever the hell he's talking about, unity can be wonderful. Unity can be a fantastic thing. It can be profound of evils. Rape gangs are unified, the mob is unified. In our political culture the hero is the individual who stands up to the mob an says you will not hang this man today. The founding fathers, you read the Federalist Papers, federalist 10, federalist 51, it's all about the importance of preventing unity. That's why we have divided government, three branches of government each vying for control over the other, we have a Bill of Rights, we have separation of powers, you know, we have 50 state governments, each of them divided up and it's all to protect against the dangers of majoritarian faction brimming with a sense of unity that gets to destroy the rights of the minority. And conservatives are uniquely positioned because we actually care about the Constitution in a way that the left doesn't. The left, when they say they care about the Constitution, what they really mean is they care about doing good and so they invoke the Constitution when it helps them and they call for a living or new constitution whenever it gets in their way. We actually care what the actual Constitution says and for conservatives in particular, what we need to simply do is stand by these principles and point out to the opposition that simply because something seems good doesn't mean that we should be violating the Constitution or violating the American tradition of letting liberty and democracy and republic, small R republicanism, that we shouldn't violate these things simply because we've gotten caught up in some fad. Because that's what fascism was and always is. It's a fad. It's one of these things where people get a fire in their mind, they get all excited, they get imbued with that same spirit that when we were teenagers we said, if we all work our hardest, we can make this our best yearbook ever.

GLENN: Jonah Goldberg, name of the book is Liberal Fascism. Always good to talk to you, Jonah. We'll talk again.

GOLDBERG: Thanks, Glenn.

Chances are, you've noticed that many large companies have decided to become woke activists, despite the fact that alienating half your customer base is a terrible business strategy.

This woke shift isn't being driven by the usual market forces. It's the Great Reset's ESG score system at work, Glenn Beck said on "GlennTV." Under the “environmental, social, and governance” score system, companies will no longer make decisions based on what you, the consumer, want. Now, it's all about what those in power deem society should want. And it's not just businesses that are affected, he explained.

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11 things you can do to help stop the Great Reset

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The foundation of the American way of life is freedom from tyranny, which can only exist in a nation that defends the rights, powers, and property of individuals and families. Over the past two centuries, the greatest threats to liberty have come from governments, both foreign and domestic. And from the beaches of Normandy to the civil rights movement of the 1960s, Americans have repeatedly conquered the challenges placed before them by those seeking to extinguish or limit individual rights.

However, over the past few years, a new, potentially catastrophic danger has emerged, but not primarily from the halls of Congress or state capitols. This threat to freedom has largely emanated from the board rooms of the world’s wealthiest, most powerful corporations, large financial institutions, central banks, and international organizations such as the United Nations and World Economic Forum.

In an attempt to secure vast amounts of wealth and influence over society, corporate CEOs, bankers, and investors, working closely with key government officials, have launched a unified effort to impose environmental, social, and governance (ESG) standards on most of the industrialized global economy. ESG standards are also referred to as “sustainable investment” or “stakeholder capitalism.” According to a report by KPMG, thousands of companies, located in more than 50 countries, already have ESG systems in place, including 82 percent of large companies in the United States.

ESG standards are designed to create a “great reset of capitalism” and to “revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.” ESG supporters plan to enact these radical changes by using ESG schemes to alter how businesses and investments are evaluated, so that instead of focusing on the quality of goods and services, profits, and other traditional economic metrics, companies — including financial institutions — are evaluated largely on their commitment to social justice and environmental causes and then assigned scores so that companies can be compared, rewarded, or potentially punished.

Supporters of the movement for a Great Reset also plan on using technology to limit free speech and privacy rights, and they support creating vast new government programs that are designed to transform the Western economy via the Green New Deal, European Green Deal, a federal jobs guarantee, and basic income programs.

Together, the proposals that make up the Great Reset represent the most serious threat to freedom in the West since the fall of the Soviet Union and perhaps since World War II. But there is hope. We can stop the Great Reset, but only if we act quickly and with great conviction.

Below are 11 steps you can take to push back against the Great Reset. These steps represent a powerful bottom-up, grassroots approach to the Great Reset’s top-down plan to remake the world. Although many of these steps won’t be easy for everyone to take, they are essential for ensuring that our children and grandchildren will grow up in a world that protects the rights of individuals and empowers families, rather than wealthy special interests, financial institutions, and large corporations.

1. Live Not by Lies: The time for remaining quiet is over. When you hear or see something that you know to be false, speak up. Be kind, generous, and compassionate, but do not, under any circumstances, allow lies to infect your life. Further, do not support organizations, publications, politicians, schools, or any other institutions that regularly promote false claims.

2. Buy Local: The reason the Great Reset is so powerful is because so many of us have become totally dependent on large multinational corporations. They can be easily manipulated in a way that small, local businesses cannot. Learn to buy local, whenever possible, even if it means spending more money on your purchases. Yes, big corporations offer conveniences and low prices that many small businesses can’t compete with, but those benefits come with a great cost: your freedom.

3. Bank Local: Big financial institutions and banks are driving much of the Great Reset movement. They have started to use their incredible wealth and power to alter society by financing only those businesses who agree to the terms of the Great Reset. This problem is going to get worse, so it’s important to find local banks and credit unions you can trust and who refuse to utilize ESG scores and other discriminatory schemes.

4. Support Local Farms: If you live in an area that has local farms and farmer’s markets, consider buying as many of your groceries as possible from farmers. In the future, food production and distribution are going to change dramatically. It’s important that you support local farmers and build relationships with individuals who can provide you with the goods you need in a time of crisis. One of our main goals must be to make local communities as self-sufficient as possible, and that cannot happen unless we support local farms.

5. Be Vocal: After starting to shop and bank locally, be sure to tell big financial institutions and corporations why they have lost your business. They need to know that their decisions have serious consequences.

6. Run for Local Government: Local and state governments will soon be our most important defense against the Great Reset. Consider running for your local school board, zoning board, or even for a state legislative office. If you don’t feel qualified for these positions, find someone who shares your values and help them run for office. If we don’t have control of our local governments, we won’t be able to halt the Great Reset.

7. Demand That Your State Pass Laws Against ESG Scores: In America, states have a tremendous amount of power to slow the Great Reset and protect their citizens from abuses by large corporations, banks, and international institutions. They can do this by passing laws that make the use of ESG metrics and other, similar systems by financial institutions illegal, when used as a precondition for banking services, financing, investment, etc. ESG scores are, by definition, discriminatory and should be made illegal by state lawmakers who care about protecting their citizens’ rights.

8. Make Responsible Spending a Key Issue for Politicians: In recent years, politicians on the ideological left and right have totally abandoned responsible fiscal policy in favor of vast money printing and loose monetary policies. The many trillions of dollars that have been “printed” in recent years put our economy at risk and are being used to fuel the Great Reset. Without these trillions of dollars of printed money, it would be exceptionally difficult for governments and financial institutions to buy off corporations.

9. Organize Anti-Great Reset Groups: No matter where you live, there are Americans in your community who do not support the Great Reset — Republicans, Democrats, and independents alike. Find like-minded neighbors and organize a local, peaceful resistance. Find people you can trust and agree to support one another when times get tough. Now, more than ever, we need to develop dependable communities.

10. Buy Property and Diversify: Property ownership is going to become increasingly more difficult in the months and years to come. It’s important that you work with a qualified financial adviser to help you figure out the best way to buy property and diversify your investments. Buying hard assets, including real estate and precious metals, could be a good way for you to protect against the Great Reset and a possible financial collapse. If you already own property, resist selling it to large corporations and financial institutions, whenever possible. (This is not financial advice, and I’m not a financial adviser. Talk to an expert you trust before taking action!)

11. Make the Great Reset a Litmus Test for Politicians: Before supporting politicians, find out if they know what the Great Reset is and what they plan to do to stop it. If they aren’t familiar with the Great Reset or don’t have a plan to halt it, then demand that they learn about the Great Reset and develop a proposal to prevent it. Political leaders who refuse to take the Great Reset seriously do not deserve your support. This is the key issue of our generation.

Scott Quiner was transferred over the weekend to a hospital in Texas after doctors in Minnesota threated to terminate life support measures as he battled severe complications from COVID-19. Scott's wife, Anne Quiner, appealed to the courts for a restraining order to prevent the hospital from pulling the plug as she sought a new facility to provide medical care for her husband. Scott was unvaccinated when he tested positive for COVID-19 in late October, 2021.

Anne and her attorney Marjorie Holsten joined "The Glenn Beck Program" Thursday to describe their frantic efforts to halt the hospital's decision to turn off Scott's life support — allegedly because he was unvaccinated — and just how difficult it was to get him the medical treatment he needed.

"It was absolutely stunning," Holsten told Glenn. "[Anne] came in and she has this order, I saw the screenshot from the [online medical] chart that said [Scott] is basically scheduled for execution at noon the following day."

According to Holsten, the Minnesota hospital responded to her appeal for a restraining order by claiming that the "position" to keep Scott alive "is not supported by medical science or Minnesota law. As a result, Mercy will ask the court to issue an order that Mercy has the authority to discontinue Mr. Quiner's ventilator and proceed with his medical care plan."

"The 'medical care plan' was the plan to discontinue the ventilator at noon, which leads to death very shortly. So that was at 10 o'clock, but then at 11 o'clock, before the 12 o'clock execution, the judge did, in fact, sign an order saying the hospital is restrained from pulling the plug," she added.

Anne told Glenn that doctors in Texas were shocked by Scott's condition after he arrived from the Minnesota hospital. Not only had he been given dangerous drugs, he was also found to be “severely malnourished."

"The doctor [in Texas] spent two hours with Scott and when he came back out, he said, 'I don't know how he even made it, how he even survived that other hospital ... but I will do everything I can to try to save his life,'" Anne explained.

"And the doctor [in Texas] said Scott was the most undernourished patient he has ever seen," Holsten added.

"Glenn, we are first bringing this battle to the court of public opinion," Holsten continued. "What we are showing the world is that Scott was near death because of the protocols used in that [Minnesota] hospital, but now he is recovering. He is getting better.... Now, we're not planning a funeral, we're planning for his release."

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The Great Reset is not just an elitist idea — it’s not even a socialist utopian concept. It’s a real-world fascist threat to every American from Wall Street to Main Street. It’s happening now in policies and cultural shifts big and small, obvious and subtle, from environmental promises to corporations going woke. But the mainstream media, global elites, and politicians brushed off the Great Reset as “nothing to see here.” Another myth they push: “The World Economic Forum is just a conference for elites who have no REAL power.”

Glenn Beck first exposed the Great Reset almost two years ago, and the globalist cries of "conspiracy theorist" soon followed. They said he believed the WEF was a “master cabal calling the shots from some evil underground lair.” But Glenn Beck never said that. Instead, he uncovered the true intentions of global leaders in finance and politics by simply highlighting their own words.

This week, the same global elites are doubling down on their agenda at the World Economic Forum’s Davos Agenda virtual event. But still, the global elites — like Twitter’s Jack Dorsey — are trying to downplay the WEF’s influence to stop people like us from interfering with their plans. The oligarchy will prosper in the new world order they’ve designed. You will not.

So Glenn unveils a master chalkboard based on his best-selling new book to outline the threats from globalists and why we must stop their agenda if we hope to keep the precious freedoms we still have.

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