THE GLENN BECK PROGRAM

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GLENN: All right. Let's go to Pat Buchanan. Pat, welcome to the program. I have to tell you, you have been called everything from political genius to a hate mongering racist but more and more it seems like more and more people will start calling you absolutely right because what you have been talking about for years and years is now showing up in everyday living rooms and people are saying, wait a minute, this is bad news. Now you've come out with some new information. You say America might be over.

BUCHANAN: Glenn, what I'm saying is congratulations on your book.

GLENN: Thank you, sir.

BUCHANAN: What I'm saying is I see a nation which used to be one nation and one people even though we were segregated in the 1950s and working to end that, I see America decomposing and deconstructing, deconstructing, breaking down along the lines of race and ethnicity and class and different moralities and I think America's becoming what Theodore Roosevelt warned us against, which is the squabble of tangling nationalities.

GLENN: Yeah.

BUCHANAN: And I think that's happening for a variety of reasons. One is the culture of war we are in which has divided us so terribly. Another is the mass immigration from peoples, from countries and continents who have never before been assimilated. The third is the complete collapse of the melting pot that brought our grandparents and great-grandparents and sort of forced us all together to become something new called Americans. I see all these things happening and I think all of us see them out there. And what I'm pointing out in the book "Day of Reckoning" is we've got a perfect storm of crises ahead and that is one of the biggest.

GLENN: I have to tell you, Pat, I said this 18 months ago. I posted on my website and said it on TV and I've got to tell you, I got hammered for saying that there is a perfect storm coming. And everybody always pulls it apart and says, oh, we're mark, we'll survive. And I said, we've never faced this many huge problems. Any of these by themselves we could deal with, but they are all coming together at the same time, and most Americans do not see this storm that is coming, and it is truly frightening if you care about our country.

BUCHANAN: We could just list a few of them. The dollar is heading in the direction of the Mexican Peso. We see it every day. You've got the United States involved in two wars and the chairman of the Army chief of staff says our Army is breaking. We're committed to defend 50 or 60 countries around the world and we're adding to it when our Army is half the size of what we had in the peace time years of Ronald Reagan. We see Social Security and Medicare, they are headed right down the road toward us.

GLENN: Let me ask you a couple, let me ask you a couple of pointed questions, Pat. First of all, I look at Social Security and Medicare and I've seen the table of pain that Secretary Snow put out and was the reason why he was kind of brushed to the side of what it is going to take to be able to survive this economic crush that is coming our way. When you look at that and you know the realities, how is it these politicians can add prescription drugs and then on top of it be talking about healthcare? With the dollar going down, it is almost like it's being orchestrated.

BUCHANAN: Well, you know, you sound like me, Glenn.

GLENN: I know, and that scares the bat crap out of me.

BUCHANAN: 10 shows this morning I've been saying exactly that. Look, we've got Medicare, Social Security going to eat up the entire budget. And we add prescription drugs and now we're going to add national health insurance. Look, all this is going to eat up the entire budget of the United States, you'll have to double taxation. We don't have the money anymore.

GLENN: It's not only that we don't have the money. If you take, if you went house to house in America and say, America, I'm going to convince you, give me all of your stuff, if Americans gave all of their stuff to the government, we still would not be able to cover what we're already on the line for.

BUCHANAN: You know, I think I saw it, David Walker, he is head of the accounting office of the comptroller general.

GLENN: It's amazing, isn't it?

BUCHANAN: You are talking about $57 trillion in unfunded mandates that you are going to have to pay. Where are they going to get the money for this? You can't tax everything.

GLENN: You know, Pat, I tell you we tried to get this guy on for a while and the policy has always been, GAO doesn't talk about things, but this will show you how freaked the people who are not connected to the politics of this thing really are. Here's the guy who does the numbers crunching and he's now starting to say, to hell with it; I've got to tell people about this.

BUCHANAN: Exactly. He is walking around. He is like a Cassandra walking around warning us. But I'll tell you, Peterson did a book a number of years ago right down this line on Social Security. There are others that have done it. There are others, even journalists who are saying, what are you going to do about this. And obviously, look, the politicians, they don't want to say, well, you know, we may have to raise the age of retirement, we may have to cap benefits, we may have to do this or that. And that's just Social Security. And as I list in my book, Medicare makes Social Security look like a little bookkeeping error.

GLENN: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Let me real quick, because I'm running out of time and I know we have a half hour with you on television tonight. Do you believe, do you believe in the conspiracy theory that we have forces in our government, we have forces in global corporations and we have forces outside our country that are trying to take our sovereignty and push us all together in one European Union style government?

BUCHANAN: Sure. I think it's wide open, I think it's right out in the open. I think the corporations all consider themselves global. They don't like the idea of borders, they don't like the idea of different laws. They want the United States, Mexico and Canada united the way European Union is so they got one big economic market. All is economics. You've got Mexican president Vicente Fox who is out of office now is open about the fact that he wants a basic merger of the United States and Mexico much like the European countries have been merged together. I think this is on the table. I think it is ongoing. That is the greatest single threat to American sovereignty. And Glenn, while the tremendous battle has been fought by the American people to defeat this amnesty bill and to demand action on the border, that great coalition sort of dissolves, they go back home and these guys are working night and day on K Street and other places to move us in that direction. Half of the largest economic entities on Earth today are not governments. They're corporations.

GLENN: Yeah.

BUCHANAN: Global corporations.

GLENN: The "Day of Reckoning" and it is here, my friend. And Pat, you'll join me for a half hour of television tonight and we'll get into this and so much more. I wish you the best and thank you for having the courage to stay the course and speak your mind and speak out for as long as you have. I think Americans are starting to see more and more how right you have been. Pat Buchanan, thank you, we'll see you tonight.

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