Glenn Beck: Obama more like Wilson than Lincoln


Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg

GOLDBERG: Hey, Glenn, it's great to be here.

GLENN: Are you in New York?

GOLDBERG: I am indeed.

GLENN: So you are on set with me tonight?

GOLDBERG: That is the plan.

GLENN: I want to talk to you a little bit and have kind of a conversation that I don't think that they've had over on Fox and I know it made them very uncomfortable over at CNN and that is the progressive movement and the links to fascism.

GOLDBERG: Right.

GLENN: Are you -- Jonah, when we first -- when you wrote the book Liberal Fascism, I don't think that you were necessarily saying, "Oh, look, fascism is coming our way." But you were saying fascism with a happy face in a lot of different ways. But as I took your book as a springboard and started to dive into history, what the parallels that I see between FDR and Woodrow Wilson who I said yesterday was an SOB, I hate that guy.

GOLDBERG: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: When you really start to -- you'll see the parallels of what's happening now and it isn't good.

GOLDBERG: No, look. The basic point about -- my basic point about the progressives in the book is that progressivism was a deeply kindred movement to the various ideologies that were spreading through Europe. They had the same thinkers, the same heroes, the philosophical father of progressivism in America was William James. Mussolini considered Williams James one of the three most important philosophers in his life. They borrowed ideas from one another. There was a huge cross-pollenization between Europe and America during the progressive period and if you get rid of the labels, today we use the word "Progressive" to mean the opposite of fascist. Progressive just means good the way fascist just means bad. And so "Oh, it's a progressive coffee shop; it must have good coffee. Ooh, it's progressive music, you've got to listen to the words." All it means is good. And if you get rid of the labels and you look at what the progressives actually believed and what fascists actually believed, they are pretty much the same thing. The fascist were racist, imperialist, eugenicist, to totalitarians that believed the government should get into every nook and cranny of our lives, same thing with the fascists. And what I don't say that today, you know, progressivism is Hitlerism. You know, Hitler was different than Mussolini. Germany was different than Italy. These ideas are much more broad than the cartoon characters we get from Hollywood, but what I do say is that the fundamental assumptions inherent to progressivism were fascistic, they had deep ties with fascism, they endure through today, and the assumptions about the role of government, the role of society and the relationship between the two that the progressives held and the progressives, self-described progressives hold today and those of fascists are eerily similar and not by accident and that we should -- you know, it takes no courage. We've been trained in this culture to say anything we don't like is fascist. Every time the left see s someone in the military uniform, you know, they wet their pants and cry fascist, and that is easy. What takes real courage to point to the things enthusiasm consider good, progressive, healthy, you know, forward-thinking and say, "My God, what could this lead to." And when you look around, when you look around the country today and the intellectual leap today and you look at the ideas being promulgated on everything from environmentalism to, you know, education all the way down that are being touted as these progressive reforms, they involve expanding the scope and size of government and getting everybody on the same ideological page in a way that is eerily similar to the 1920s and 1930s in Europe, including obviously what you talk about a lot on the economy. You know, the government and business are now getting in bed together in a way not seen since the 1930s, and everyone has to be on the same page, everyone has to agree Barack Obama's sort of rhetorical approach to politics. You know, he had a press conference last week where he said, I'm open to solutions from either side of the ideological spectrum, conservatives, Democrats, Republicans. But we do know one thing, only government can get us out of this. And what he's doing is basically pre-empting anybody who disagrees, anybody who champions free market or freedom from the conversation. And I think that is a very similar thing to what FDR did.

GLENN: Well, here's the scary thing that I -- I mean, I'm reading The Road to Serfdom. Have you read that?

GOLDBERG: Oh, sure.

GLENN: I'm reading the Road to Serfdom and in it he says -- sometimes things just stick out at me, and this stuck out, and that is fascism does not come from capitalism. Capitalism does not give birth to fascism. Capitalism can give birth to socialism which gives way to communism or fascism. You need to have this big controlling government and all of the governmental controls in there and then have it fail for someone -- exactly what happened with Putin. Communism failed. So then it went and it looked like it was going to go into chaos and that's when the strong leader comes forward, when the people are afraid, and they say, "I will solve the problem for you."

GOLDBERG: That's right. And Hayek talks at great length about these experts, this idea that if we just get the smartest people in government, they will know how to run everything and that has been -- that is still the even during liberal conceit, that it just takes the smart guys in government, in power and they can plan everything.

GLENN: Which is exactly why I have been saying you can't -- because again with the treasury secretary, what are they saying? "He's the smartest guy. He's the only guy with an answer. He's the one who can get us out of this." It doesn't matter what his morals are. It doesn't matter what his ethics are. He's the smartest guy in the room. And I've been saying, stop going for the smartest guy in the room if you don't trust him ethically. You can't do that. And this is exactly what the progressives have done in the past and what they seem to be doing now.

How many times are we going to listen to these experts on the economy when they have gotten it wrong every step of the way? How long are we going to listen to the experts, the people who know more than we do in Washington who have designed this system and it's failing?

GOLDBERG: That's right. I think, you know, the fundamental -- well, one of the fundamental insights we get from Hayek, this fatal conceit, the title of one of his great books, this idea that if you just have the smartest guys in the room that you can manage an incredibly diverse, complicated society with just -- by looking through your green eye shades. And this drove me crazy during the campaign. You know, there was all this obsession about Barack Obama's plan versus John McCain's plan, all this kind of stuff. Look, I have one child. She's 5 years old. She can't read. She has no money. I am literally the boss of her. I have a plan every weekend about what we're going to do together, and she foils me every time. And yet we're supposed to believe that someone is going to have a plan to come in to run one of our thousands of governments in this country. You know, we have state and local and various other governments. We have three branches of government. So we're going to have one guy, the president, who runs one of the branches of our federal government is somehow going to have a plan that is going to accommodate how a construction company in rural -- in suburban Cleveland is going to operate, how a hospital in Los Angeles is going to operate, how a soup kitchen in New York is going to operate. The reality is that you have to leave these sorts of decisions up to the people who know what is going on right in front of their nose.

GLENN: But Jonah, every time it doesn't work. The answer is always because -- exactly what leads you from socialism or communism to fascism. There just wasn't enough control.

GOLDBERG: That's right.

GLENN: They just have to have more control.

GOLDBERG: The logic, if I can just get a little more, I'll be so happy. If I get a little more control, then all of a sudden everything will click into place.

How does a sports writer know how to fix America, and America's racial dilemma?

In a special edition of the "Glenn Beck Radio Program," Outkick sports columnist Jason Whitlock filled in Tuesday for Glenn to explain how we can bring America back together, lean into racial harmony, and restore the values of our Founding Fathers. Because if not us, then who will?

Jason started out by explaining how, during a recent appearance on the program, he felt a spiritual connection with Glenn, regardless of physical differences, as both share a common passion for God and country.

"Glenn and I share a kindred spirit. A kindred passion," Jason said. "We have two things that we love and are passionate about: God and country. I am not a minister. I'm a flawed sinner just like Glenn and just like you. But I am a believer. Believers share an energy that connects them, that cuts through our physical differences and makes those differences irrelevant relevant. That's what I felt when I met Glenn, an energy and a spirit that connects us. We are broadcasters, media personalities, operating in separate spaces, trying to talk to Americans, who share our passion."

Jason went on to say that he believes there are forces operating, both outside of and inside America, that are working to separate America from God, and that much of what we've witnessed in 2020 — from the racial division stirred by the mainstream and social media, to the rioting and looting by Antifa and Black Lives Matter, to the "remaking of the sports world into a shrine that celebrates resisting criminal suspects and denigrates this great country at every turn" — are symptoms and consequences of America's enemies separating God and country.

"We are one nation under God. We are nothing without Him," Jason continued. "The flawed sinners who founded this nation baked God into this country with their Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. That among those, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The foreign and domestic enemies of this nation are baking a new American cake. God isn't an essential ingredient in this new cake. He isn't an ingredient at all. The removal of faith is sewing the disharmony that is terrorizing and destroying the United States of America.

"Why am I here today? I'm here to tell you how we take our country back, how we restore the freedoms and the liberties our enemies seek to remove in their remaking of a godless America."

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One of the most shocking things British journalist, political commentator, and author of "The Madness of Crowds," Douglas Murray witnessed during his recent stay in America, was how many Americans are acting as if they live in 1930s Germany or behind the Iron Curtain, afraid to stand up and speak out because they're afraid of the consequences.

Murray joined the "Glenn Beck Podcast" this week to explain why he believes the state of America is actually worse than we realize, and how the Left's obsession with rewriting history has ushered in guilt, fear, and a "silent majority."

Murray said he's particularly "fed up" with those on the Right who are afraid to voice their opinion because they don't want to become the target of leftist mobs on social media.

"Do you think anyone in history who told the truth had an easy time? You've got the easiest time that any opposition movement ever did in history," Murray said.

"You cannot have these people in America living in a free society — which is for the time being free — pretending that they live under the circumstances of Jews in 1930s Germany," he added. "Speak up. Speak out. Don't be a silent majority; be a very damn noisy majority. And don't put up with the oppression of people who are totally insincere ... they want to make money. They want to win. Nothing more. Call them out ... and get back to what you should be doing as a nation."

Watch the full interview with Douglas Murray below:



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New York City shut down its schools over the coronavirus with barely any notice. But even before that, Governor Andrew Cuomo apparently wasn't in the mood to be asked about it, and he made that very clear to reporters.

Asked on Wednesday whether parents could expect schools to be closed as soon as Thursday, Cuomo mocked reporters for their "obnoxious and offensive" questions and accused them of not paying attention. Watch the testy exchange for yourself here.

On Thursday's radio program, Glenn Beck and producer Stu Burguiere had plenty to say about Stu's least favorite governor and the decision to close schools. But Glenn also offered his own theory on why coronavirus restrictions have become so political: Americans refuse to be forced into submission.

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Everything comes down to the two Senate runoffs in Georgia. If we lose both races, we lose the country. Democrats know this and are pouring in millions to usher in a Marxist agenda.

As the Left tries to hide how radical the two candidates really are, Glenn takes us inside the Democrat war room to expose the wolf in pastor's clothing, Raphael Warnock, and America's Justin Trudeau, Jon Ossoff. Socialism, the Green New Deal, and "defund the police" are all on the table. And Glenn warns of what's to come if conservatives don't activate: Chuck Schumer will weaponize the Senate, and the radical Left will launch an all-out assault to ravage the Constitution.

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