Glenn Beck: Obama more like Wilson than Lincoln


Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg

GOLDBERG: Hey, Glenn, it's great to be here.

GLENN: Are you in New York?

GOLDBERG: I am indeed.

GLENN: So you are on set with me tonight?

GOLDBERG: That is the plan.

GLENN: I want to talk to you a little bit and have kind of a conversation that I don't think that they've had over on Fox and I know it made them very uncomfortable over at CNN and that is the progressive movement and the links to fascism.

GOLDBERG: Right.

GLENN: Are you -- Jonah, when we first -- when you wrote the book Liberal Fascism, I don't think that you were necessarily saying, "Oh, look, fascism is coming our way." But you were saying fascism with a happy face in a lot of different ways. But as I took your book as a springboard and started to dive into history, what the parallels that I see between FDR and Woodrow Wilson who I said yesterday was an SOB, I hate that guy.

GOLDBERG: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: When you really start to -- you'll see the parallels of what's happening now and it isn't good.

GOLDBERG: No, look. The basic point about -- my basic point about the progressives in the book is that progressivism was a deeply kindred movement to the various ideologies that were spreading through Europe. They had the same thinkers, the same heroes, the philosophical father of progressivism in America was William James. Mussolini considered Williams James one of the three most important philosophers in his life. They borrowed ideas from one another. There was a huge cross-pollenization between Europe and America during the progressive period and if you get rid of the labels, today we use the word "Progressive" to mean the opposite of fascist. Progressive just means good the way fascist just means bad. And so "Oh, it's a progressive coffee shop; it must have good coffee. Ooh, it's progressive music, you've got to listen to the words." All it means is good. And if you get rid of the labels and you look at what the progressives actually believed and what fascists actually believed, they are pretty much the same thing. The fascist were racist, imperialist, eugenicist, to totalitarians that believed the government should get into every nook and cranny of our lives, same thing with the fascists. And what I don't say that today, you know, progressivism is Hitlerism. You know, Hitler was different than Mussolini. Germany was different than Italy. These ideas are much more broad than the cartoon characters we get from Hollywood, but what I do say is that the fundamental assumptions inherent to progressivism were fascistic, they had deep ties with fascism, they endure through today, and the assumptions about the role of government, the role of society and the relationship between the two that the progressives held and the progressives, self-described progressives hold today and those of fascists are eerily similar and not by accident and that we should -- you know, it takes no courage. We've been trained in this culture to say anything we don't like is fascist. Every time the left see s someone in the military uniform, you know, they wet their pants and cry fascist, and that is easy. What takes real courage to point to the things enthusiasm consider good, progressive, healthy, you know, forward-thinking and say, "My God, what could this lead to." And when you look around, when you look around the country today and the intellectual leap today and you look at the ideas being promulgated on everything from environmentalism to, you know, education all the way down that are being touted as these progressive reforms, they involve expanding the scope and size of government and getting everybody on the same ideological page in a way that is eerily similar to the 1920s and 1930s in Europe, including obviously what you talk about a lot on the economy. You know, the government and business are now getting in bed together in a way not seen since the 1930s, and everyone has to be on the same page, everyone has to agree Barack Obama's sort of rhetorical approach to politics. You know, he had a press conference last week where he said, I'm open to solutions from either side of the ideological spectrum, conservatives, Democrats, Republicans. But we do know one thing, only government can get us out of this. And what he's doing is basically pre-empting anybody who disagrees, anybody who champions free market or freedom from the conversation. And I think that is a very similar thing to what FDR did.

GLENN: Well, here's the scary thing that I -- I mean, I'm reading The Road to Serfdom. Have you read that?

GOLDBERG: Oh, sure.

GLENN: I'm reading the Road to Serfdom and in it he says -- sometimes things just stick out at me, and this stuck out, and that is fascism does not come from capitalism. Capitalism does not give birth to fascism. Capitalism can give birth to socialism which gives way to communism or fascism. You need to have this big controlling government and all of the governmental controls in there and then have it fail for someone -- exactly what happened with Putin. Communism failed. So then it went and it looked like it was going to go into chaos and that's when the strong leader comes forward, when the people are afraid, and they say, "I will solve the problem for you."

GOLDBERG: That's right. And Hayek talks at great length about these experts, this idea that if we just get the smartest people in government, they will know how to run everything and that has been -- that is still the even during liberal conceit, that it just takes the smart guys in government, in power and they can plan everything.

GLENN: Which is exactly why I have been saying you can't -- because again with the treasury secretary, what are they saying? "He's the smartest guy. He's the only guy with an answer. He's the one who can get us out of this." It doesn't matter what his morals are. It doesn't matter what his ethics are. He's the smartest guy in the room. And I've been saying, stop going for the smartest guy in the room if you don't trust him ethically. You can't do that. And this is exactly what the progressives have done in the past and what they seem to be doing now.

How many times are we going to listen to these experts on the economy when they have gotten it wrong every step of the way? How long are we going to listen to the experts, the people who know more than we do in Washington who have designed this system and it's failing?

GOLDBERG: That's right. I think, you know, the fundamental -- well, one of the fundamental insights we get from Hayek, this fatal conceit, the title of one of his great books, this idea that if you just have the smartest guys in the room that you can manage an incredibly diverse, complicated society with just -- by looking through your green eye shades. And this drove me crazy during the campaign. You know, there was all this obsession about Barack Obama's plan versus John McCain's plan, all this kind of stuff. Look, I have one child. She's 5 years old. She can't read. She has no money. I am literally the boss of her. I have a plan every weekend about what we're going to do together, and she foils me every time. And yet we're supposed to believe that someone is going to have a plan to come in to run one of our thousands of governments in this country. You know, we have state and local and various other governments. We have three branches of government. So we're going to have one guy, the president, who runs one of the branches of our federal government is somehow going to have a plan that is going to accommodate how a construction company in rural -- in suburban Cleveland is going to operate, how a hospital in Los Angeles is going to operate, how a soup kitchen in New York is going to operate. The reality is that you have to leave these sorts of decisions up to the people who know what is going on right in front of their nose.

GLENN: But Jonah, every time it doesn't work. The answer is always because -- exactly what leads you from socialism or communism to fascism. There just wasn't enough control.

GOLDBERG: That's right.

GLENN: They just have to have more control.

GOLDBERG: The logic, if I can just get a little more, I'll be so happy. If I get a little more control, then all of a sudden everything will click into place.

For the first time in the history of "The Glenn Beck Program," former President Donald Trump joined Glenn to give his take on America's direction under President Joe Biden compared to his own administration. He explained why Biden's horrific Afghanistan withdrawal was "not even a little bit" like his plan, and why he thinks it was "the most embarrassing event in the history of our country."

Plus, the former president gave his opinion on China's potential takeover of Bagram Air Base, the Pakistani Prime Minister, and Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Glenn asked President Trump how similar the Biden administration's withdrawal from Afghanistan was to his administration's plan.

"Not even a little bit," Trump answered. "We had a great plan, but it was a very tenuous plan. It was based on many conditions. For instance, you can't kill American soldiers. ... You have to understand, I did want to get out. But I wanted to get out with dignity, and I wanted to take our equipment out. And I didn't want soldiers killed. ... What [Biden] did was just indefensible. He took the military out first and he left all the people. And then we became beggars to get the people out. I had a plan to get them out very quickly. But first, the Americans would go out."

Trump told Glenn that his plan included maintaining Bagram Air Base and explained why he would not have left "a single nail" behind in Afghanistan for the Taliban to seize.

"We were going to keep Bagram open," he explained. "We were never going to close that because, frankly, Bagram is more about China than it is about Afghanistan. It was practically on the other border of China. And now we've lost that. And you know who is taking it over? China is taking it over. We spend $10 billion to build that base. It's got the longest, most powerful runways in the world. And China has now got its representatives there and it looks like they'll take it over. Glenn, it's not believable what's happened. You know, they have Apache helicopters. These are really expensive weapons, and they have 28 of them. And they're brand-new. The latest model."

Glenn mentioned recent reports that Gen. Milley, America's top military officer, made "secret phone calls" to his counterpart in China while President Trump was in office.

"I learned early on that he was a dope," Trump said of Gen. Milley. "He made a statement to me — and I guarantee that's what happened to Biden — because I said, 'We're getting out of Afghanistan. We have to do it.' And I said, 'I want every nail. I want every screw. I want every bolt. I want every plane. I want every tank. I want it all out, down to the nails, screws, bolts ... I want every single thing. And he said, 'Sir, it's cheaper to leave it than it is to bring it.'

"The airplane might have cost $40 million, $50 million ... millions and millions of dollars. So, you think it's cheaper to leave it than to have 200 pilots fly over and fly all the equipment out? ... I said, you've got to be nuts. I mean, give me a tank of gas and a pilot and I just picked up a $40 million-dollar airplane. It was amazing. So, I learned early that this guy is a dope. But what he did, is he hurt our country ... and he shouldn't have been allowed to do it. And bad things should happen to him."

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In a shocking but underreported conversation ahead of the G7 Speakers' meeting in London last week, Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi admitted that the administration knows China is committing "genocide" against the Uyghurs in the Xinjiang region, but thinks working with the regime on climate change is more important.

On the radio program, an outraged Glenn Beck dissected Pelosi's speech and broke down how — along with the Biden administration's abandonment of Americans in Afghanistan, and the Democrat decision to follow measures of medical "equity" — the far left is revealing how little they really care about human life.

Glenn played a video clip of Pelosi making the following statement:

We've always felt connected to China, but with their military aggression in the South China Sea, with their continuation of genocide with the Uyghurs in Xinjiang province there, with their violation of the cultural, linguistic, religious priority of Tibet, with their suppression of democracy in Hong Kong and other parts of China, as well – they're just getting worse in terms of suppression, and freedom of speech. So, human rights, security, economically [sic].

Having said all of that ... we have to work together on climate. Climate is an overriding issue and China is the leading emitter in the world, the U.S. too and developed world too, but we must work together.

"We have Nancy Pelosi admitting the United States of America knows that they're not only committing [genocide], they're continuing to commit it. Which means, we've known for a while," Glenn noted. "And what does she say? She goes on to say, yes, they're committing genocide against the Uyghurs, but having said that, I'm quoting, 'the overriding issue,' is working together on climate change.

"Would we have worked with Hitler on climate change? Would we have worked with Hitler on developing the bomb? Would we have worked with Hitler on developing the Autobahn? Would we have worked with Hitler on his socialized medicine? Would we have worked with Hitler on any of his national, socialist ideas?" he asked.

"The answer is no. No. When you're committing genocide, no! She said 'we have to work together on climate,' because climate is the 'overriding issue.' The overriding issue? There is no way to describe this mindset. That, yes, they are killing an entire group of people because of their ethnicity or religion. They are systematically rounding them up, using them for slave labor, and killing them, using their organs and selling them on the open market. They are nothing more than cattle. For us to recognize it and do nothing about it is bad enough. But to say, 'we recognize it, but we have bigger things to talk to them about,' is a horror show."

Glenn went on to urge Americans to "stand up together in love, peace, and harmony," or risk watching our nation become the worst plague on human life yet.

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The fall of Lehman Brothers in 2008 marked the largest bankruptcy filing in U.S. history and economic collapse was felt throughout the world. But now China's own version of Lehman Brothers, Evergrande, is teetering closer and closer to that edge, too. On the radio program Thursday, Glenn Beck gave the latest update and predicted how it will affect Asian markets and what it could mean for America's economy.

Glenn explained why he believes a major collapse that is happening now in China will have a cascading effect into a "controlled collapse," a managed decline that will dramatically change America's economy and the way we all live.

"You will not recognize your lifestyle. Hear me," Glenn warned. "And that's not a right-left thing. That's a right-wrong thing. We're on the wrong track. I'm telling you now, there's new information and you are not going to recognize the American lifestyle. ... It could happen tomorrow. It could happen in five years from now, but it will happen. We are headed for a very different country. One where you don't have the rights that you have. And you certainly don't have the economic privileges that Americans are used to."

"The same thing that happened in 2008 is now happening in China," Glenn continued. "This time, it's going to take everything down. When it collapses, it will take everything down."

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Justin Haskins, editorial director of the Heartland Institute, joined Glenn Beck on the radio program to expose a shocking conversation between two Great Reset proponents — Klaus Schwab, chairman of the World Economic Forum, and Christine Lagarde, president of the European Central Bank (Europe's equivalent to the Fed).

The way Schwab and Lagarde discuss the role central banks should play in establishing societal norms, determining your way of life, and defending against potential crisis is proof that the Great Reset is upon us, Justin explained. And the scariest part is that they're not even trying to hide it. The entire, unbelievable conversation has been published on the WEF website, which you can read here.

Glenn read an excerpt from the conversation:

Christine Lagarde: At the ECB, we have now wrapped up and concluded our strategy review, which was the first one in 17 years. And I was blessed to have an entire Governing Council unanimously agree that the fight against climate change should be one of the considerations that we take when we determine monetary policy. So at least the European Central Bank is of the view that climate change is an important component in order to decide on monetary policy. ...

Can we arrive at that trade-off between fighting climate change, preserving biodiversity and yet securing enough growth to respond to legitimate demands of the population? And my first answer, Klaus, to be firm, is that to have a way of life, we need life. And in the medium term, we do have major threats on the horizon that could cause the death of hundreds of thousands of people. So we have to think life, first. We have to think way of life, second. ...

So we have to think life, first. We have to think way of life, second. How can we come together to make sure that we secure the first priority, which is life, and also protect the way of life that people have? And make sure that the cost of it is not so high for some people, that they just cannot tolerate it. I think that the trade-off that we reach will probably require some redistribution, because it is clear that the most exposed people, the less privileged people are those that are going to need some help.

"Do you understand, America, what that means?" Glenn exclaimed. "You have elites, that you never elected, that are having these meetings ... deciding what is a legitimate need for you. And telling you that your needs are going to go away in your lifetime. You may not see a time where you get wants again. Just your needs are going to be addressed. Am I reading this wrong?"

"This is absolutely what is being said here," Justin agreed. "She's very clear that we need to make sure that way of life is second to life. We have to save all these people, hundreds of thousands of people are going to die from this supposedly existential threat of climate change. And their wants, and their desires, and their quality of living, all of that has to come second."

"This is a central bank saying this. This is not an elected official, who is accountable directly to the people. This is a central bank saying, we're going to print money. We're going to use monetary policy, to impose these ideas, to rework society in order to accomplish our goals," Justin added, addressing Lagarde's call for "some redistribution."

Will Great Reset elites — not elected by the U.S. — soon be dictating to the rest of the world? Watch the video clip below to hear Glenn and Justin break it down:

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