GLENN BECK PROGRAM
BECK: We have Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison in with us, spend a few minutes. She's written a new book called Leading Ladies and I actually would like to start there. I've got a lot of things I want to start with you about but I want to start on your book because I just said to my audience, I don't know, about a half an hour ago that I have decided that I am going to put together a library at my home of kind of a freedom library of important books to teach my children the true history of America because it's not being taught anywhere anymore. These universities are completely out of control. And the truth needs to be told about American heroes and Patriots and who we really, truly are. Is your book something that would be something I would include in that library?
HUTCHISON: Yes. Yes, Glenn. It has the stories of women who have broken the barriers in science, in medicine, women who served in the military as far back as the Revolutionary War because they believed in the cause. And women have been among our greatest spies in all the wars. One of the great spies, Virginia Hall, the Gestapo put out in World War II a flier all over France saying the woman who limps is the most dangerous allied agent; find and destroy her. Because she had shot herself in the leg in a hunting accident. So she limped. She had a false leg. The United States at first wouldn't hire her because the foreign service wouldn't allow people with artificial limbs.
HUTCHISON: So she went into the OSS for Great Britain and she was such a fabulous spy. She spoke French, Italian and German and she was reporting back from conversations that soldiers were having in the marketplace and nobody ever knew she was there.
by Kay Bailey Hutchison
BECK: Do you think we have the same number of ??
HUTCHISON: We have so much celebration of movie stars and rock stars and people who may not be doing heroic things but they are sports stars and so we're not focusing on the people who do great things.
BECK: But it doesn't really ?? does it matter anymore about, I was flabbergasted. When I saw you were coming in today and talking about this book, I thought, what an appropriate time for us to address this. Last week we had two women pilot the space shuttle, two women.
BECK: It got no media coverage. I mean just maybe a passing mention here and there. Nancy Pelosi makes it a huge deal that, you know, she's the Speaker, the first woman Speaker of the House. You know, Hillary Clinton, are we ready for a female President, I think that we have two astronauts piloting the space shuttle shows there is no real glass ceiling except in some people's own perception. When it comes to politics, it seems to matter. When it comes to real accomplishments in space, nobody cared.
HUTCHISON: Well, that's an interesting observation. I do think the glass ceiling is now shattered in almost every field, but I also think, Glenn, it is so important that our young people know that that's not because it's easy.
BECK: Oh, no, no, no, I know that.
HUTCHISON: You have to have perseverance. You are going to have setbacks in life. Every successful person does. And you need to have the history of the people, women here, who have broken these barriers because they never gave up. We need that in our society, too.
BECK: Yeah. But there's a difference between ?? I mean, that's with anything. That's with anything. You can't give up. You've got to persevere, you've got to keep going. Just when you think this is it; I'm not going to be able to do it another day, something happens and you break through another wall. That's not just a woman thing. I mean, I think we've ?? you know, people who say, you know, they can't vote for a woman President, I don't understand that. There's a lot of people that wouldn't vote for ?? Hillary as a President but would vote for Condoleezza Rice. Can we have a first black President? Of course we can. Just give me somebody really qualified. I don't care what they look like.
HUTCHISON: Exactly. And that has the right vision for our country. And I agree with you 100%. I don't think talking about the first woman anything is going to be relevant in five or ten years because you're going to be judged on what you believe, what you envision for our country, what you would do, what is your agenda. That's what people are looking for, how is it going to affect each individual.
BECK: Let me switch topics here. Let me go to ?? because you're from Texas. Texas is ??
HUTCHISON: Great flag right here in the studio, Come and Take It from the Alamo.
BECK: Yeah, in New York City they don't understand this flag. But I lived in Texas for a while and I know Texas has always had a secede kind of attitude, Texas secede but it's never really been serious. Never really been serious. It's just an independent spirit. And I have never been to a state that is more American than Texas, in the way that they love their state, they don't ?? they think it's the best, but it's not at the expense of other states, you know? They are not ever putting other people down. They're just saying ours ?? yours might be great but nothing's better than the State of Texas
With that being said, in the last six months or so (lapse in audio) There are some crazies who are so concerned that we have lost control of our country that they were saying things to me like, when do I gather my guns, when do I have to go out and take my country back? And it's because the border is out of control. What is it going to take for people in congress to understand "Secure the border first and then let's deal with these other issues."
HUTCHISON: Glenn, you are absolutely right and the people are absolutely right. Securing the border is out of control and congress is unable to grapple with it. It is congress' responsibility.
HUTCHISON: We have advocated that responsibility. It's because of the amnesty issue. There's a huge disagreement that puts everything in deadlock. The people who supported the bill last time that tried to do it all at once failed because of the amnesty portion.
BECK: But don't you ?? I mean, who in Washington doesn't understand that there are those who are against amnesty for ?? in all cases. However, I believe a greater number of Americans would be willing to consider some of these amnesty issues if you said ?? not said ?? proved that it was done, there wouldn't be another wave of illegal immigrants, that we had our borders completely secure. Then you would say, okay, now we have to deal with ?? you know, for instance in the DREAM Act, I know where you stand on the DREAM Act. You voted against ?? correct me if I'm wrong. You voted against the DREAM Act but you would look into having somebody who was brought in as a youth. I think if you were brought here in your ?? you were 3 years old and now you're 20 and you can't get a college education, well, we do have to talk about what we're going to do with you but not now. Not now. Secure the border first. How will they not get that?
HUTCHISON: I don't think that enough senators and maybe members of the House, I'm not sure, but not enough are really dealing with the immigration issue as the crisis that it is:
BECK: But the crisis into perspective for me. Compare it to something else that you've seen in your career.
HUTCHISON: It's the toughest issue that I have dealt with in my career. The war on terror is very tough and it's an overriding issue for our country and that one is one that everybody does know is the most important overriding issue of our country. The most important domestic issue of our country is illegal immigration. It is only congress' responsibility and yet congress is deadlocked and they are deadlocked on the amnesty part and there are some who believe that you have to do the whole thing at once. I do not. I think we have to do piecemeal. We have to do border security first because if people think that there is a credibility that our border is secure, finally done the job, then I think we can consider the guest worker program for those going forward to fill the jobs that are not going to be filled. When the price of corn and beef and lettuce and oranges goes triple and quadruple because we don't have people willing to pick those products, then people are going to start getting it. When the people don't show up at the restaurants and so you don't have waiters and you have to shut down the restaurant, which is happening in some parts of our country ??
BECK: Look, I have no problem. I'll pay four times for an orange rather than have it picked by a slave and that is exactly what these corporations are doing to illegal immigrants that are coming here and working for slave wages, and it is wrong and it is immoral what we allow our businesses to do so they can make a buck and we can have cheap oranges.
HUTCHISON: Well, even if you are paying a livable wage, which many do, the workers are not doing it. We cannot get Americans that do it.
BECK: That's why you make the door bigger.
BECK: You put the fence up, you stop illegal immigration ??
HUTCHISON: And you have a regulated process so that people come in here, a guest worker program. It doesn't have to be a permanent citizenship track. Most people don't want that. They just want a job.
BECK: All right. We're talking to Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison. She's got a new book out called Leading Ladies. Why is the media and why is no one in congress showing us the truth about the violence on the border? That today is coming out with numbers that shows illegal immigrants have been reduced. Part of that is because the drug cartels have taken over some of these areas and Laredo, Nuevo Laredo is more dangerous than Baghdad is and yet nobody seems to be concentrating on the real danger in our society that is right there between the drugs and the cartels and the gangs and everything else. Why? Why is that absent from the debate?
HUTCHISON: Well, I don't think it is. I certainly know how dangerous the border is and the drug cartels, that's true, and I think that that is one of the reasons why I'm so strong on trying to do what is our responsibility on illegal immigration, but I think it is very important that we realize that these drug cartels are serious and we haven't had the cooperation from the Mexican government to be able to stop this, and we are now looking at ?? let me just throw this at you. We're looking at, for the first time, giving money to Mexico to clamp down on the drug cartels, and that's a controversy, too, because many people are concerned that it will never get to stopping the cartels.
BECK: Why should we believe? It's a corrupt society. Why would we believe that that money could ?? I mean, look how many times they put a cop in and they're killed.
HUTCHISON: You know, the question is what is the best approach. We have never put American money into stopping the drugs on the other side of the border before, but it is coming forward from the administration and, you know, we're going to have to look at it. I want to see where the money's going to go and how it's going to be distributed because if it's not going to get to the people who are enforcing the law so that they can stand firm against these ?? these drug dealers are just, well, they're gangs, they are. They're ??
BECK: They're beheading people right on our border.
HUTCHISON: Just like al Qaeda.
BECK: There are more Americans kidnapped on the border in South Texas than there are in the Middle East. There are more Americans kidnapped. I don't understand how we're not focusing on this. Let me go ??
HUTCHISON: I hope we are.
BECK: Let me go back here real quick on one thing that's kind of related to the book on the importance of women. I believe that the real solution in the Middle East is empowering women. If we empower women, everything will change. It's changed all over the world when you empower women. Have you ever asked or heard an explanation on where is the National Organization of Women? Where are these big women power groups speaking out against Islamo-Fascism?
HUTCHISON: Well, let me say you're right on. In fact, it is proven that in societies where women are able to work, they're able to be educated, they are able to be a part of society, the economic output and production in those countries is proven to be more, to be better. Where women are suppressed as they are in the Middle East, you find a lower output, you find the economic production low and, of course, you also see violence and a continuing cycle of denigrating women. It is amazing. Now, there are women's groups like Vital Voices is a wonderful international organization that is trying to empower women. Laura Bush is speaking out to try to help the treatment of women. If we can promote education of women so that they can be doctors and be a part of society, they can be teachers, the whole economic level of the Middle East will improve, not to mention a better quality of life and hopefully a strengthening of a society against these terrorists.
BECK: The name of the book is Leading Ladies by Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison. Thank you for being on the program. You are leaving the Senate?
HUTCHISON: Well, 2012. Yes, this was not a big announcement. Just don't plan to run again.
BECK: All right. Well, are you going to maybe run for governor of Texas?
HUTCHISON: Possibly, possibly. I would love to be able to do something for my state that I love so much.
BECK: Good. Nice to have you here. Thank you very much, Senator.
HUTCHISON: Thank you.