www.HowObamaGotElected.com looks at how media coverage of the 2008 election impacted what Obama voters knew (or thought they knew) about the campaign
GLENN: We are, we are. But we want to thank you so much for listening to us and watching as well. John Ziegler is on the phone with us, and John got into a -- well, you got kind of into a fight with Matt Lauer.
ZIEGLER: Well, Matt didn't want to fight. That was the toughest part of the deal. But I still thought it was an interesting exchange and, Glenn, it's an honor to be on your program.
GLENN: Well, thank you, sir.
ZIEGLER: I think one of the most interesting statements what happened on the Today Show and this is about my book that came out yesterday, Media Malpractice: How Obama Got Elected and Palin Was Targeted. The one who did the setup piece for NBC news, Today Show and you probably well know, Glenn, just a few weeks ago Nora O'Donnell on the air said that Sarah Palin called Barack Obama a terrorist which, of course, you know is flat out false.
ZIEGLER: And should have been a fireable offense back in the day when the media had some sort of standards of fairness, which they don't anymore, especially not in NBC. And so how bizarre is this that I'm on the Today Show and the setup piece for the exclusive on the rest of the Sarah Palin interview that created so much stir a month ago is done by a woman who not only I had a confrontation with in the past but who has told this lie about Sarah Palin. And so I urge your listeners to go to our website because I went on with Nora O'Donnell after the Today Show appearance on MSNBC and let's just say that hilarity ensued.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. What's your website? Let's see if we can play it.
ZIEGLER: You've got to check out Nora O'Donnell and John Ziegler because she had no idea what hit her yesterday on MSNBC.
GLENN: Dan, see if you can pull that up.
GLENN: Okay. So the movie came out yesterday and I've seen pieces of it and I have to tell you, John, the pieces that I have seen where you are interviewing some of the Obama supporters.
GLENN: Is terrifying.
ZIEGLER: Yes, this was the first part of what we did which was to do an interview with Obama voters on election day and ask them very simple questions about the nature of the campaign and certain events that happened, and just in case you think, well, we were just doing, you know, a man on the street, jaywalking type of deal, no, no, what we did was we backed up those interviews with not one but two scientific polls, one by Zogby and then Zogby backed down to left wing pressure and wouldn't do the second poll with us. Extraordinary expense. By the way, this is all my own money. I'm doing this on my own at great expense using most of my personal resources to do this and my life savings because I --
GLENN: So why -- hang on. John, let me ask you this. Why are you spending so much money, of your own personal money? You hate Obama that much?
ZIEGLER: Yeah, you nailed it, Glenn. No, here's what I --
GLENN: When will the hate stop from people like you?
ZIEGLER: Yeah, it's a good -- that's a very good question. Actually you know what it is? It's a testament to how much I care about this country, how dangerous I think the media coverage of this past election was and its favoritism toward Obama and it's clear absolute double standard in the targeting of Sarah Palin. I think it is one of the most dangerous and unprecedented things that happened in our media in a very long time, if not ever, and I've devoted my life and my life savings to try and correct the historical record here. And thanks to Sarah Palin giving me an absolutely outstanding interview that has been totally distorted.
GLENN: Of course.
ZIEGLER: Yeah, well, I should have known better. I guess I was naive because when people see the entire Sarah Palin interview, which is available on the DVD of the special feature, they are going to see a completely different story than they want and they got in the mainstream news media, and I've devoted my life to this cause. And I don't know whether or not it's going to end up bearing fruit, but I don't care because I feel that passionately about the issue.
GLENN: Okay. So do we have -- Dan, do we have the interview? Did you find that on the website yet?
DAN: Well, I was checking out his website. I think I'll just go to YouTube. I can't find exact link on his website. I'm not sure where it is.
ZIEGLER: I can certainly get you guys that link if you want to play it later on but it's up there at howObamagotelected.com, it's also at Breitbart TV. It's pretty much everywhere, the Nora O'Donnell/John Ziegler confrontation was well worth watching because what I did was I started off by saying, "Well, thank you very much, Nora, for giving me the fodder for my next film, Media Malpractice 2, the sequel, and went into the whole notion that she should have been fired for what she said about Sarah Palin and instead she gets rewarded with doing the setup piece on the Today Show which I think tells you everything you need to know about the nature of the news media today.
GLENN: Tell us about the history of, you know, Sarah Palin called Barack Obama a terrorist.
ZIEGLER: Well, of course, that didn't happen and the reality of course is that she said that Barack Obama pals around with terrorists. And in our film, Media Malpractice, Glenn, we show that even that was completely distorted because members of the news media, it wasn't just bias, Glenn. It was flat out ignorance about basic facts that every news media member ought to know if they're worth their salt. For instance, they didn't know. I mean, if you got mocked for using the portal in terrorist and they didn't know that the reference to terrorist was that obviously Bill Ayers' wife was on the FBI's most wanted list and that Rashid Khalidi was a spokesperson for the PLO and was a friend of Barack Obama's and he went to that tribute dinner that the L.A. Times withheld the tape of. So just another example of not just the bias but ignorance creating a toxic mix that created this circumstance that got Obama elected and had Palin targeted.
GLENN: So John, I've been on this bandwagon of GE for a while. This is the Pravda of America soon. Here they have their CEO on the council for the president on economic recovery, which kills me because the guy has trashed GE. They have this huge lobbying arm. They have NBC, Universal, they do Green Week, they are so in the bag for the Democratic Party. Is anyone else out there that is really -- that is tying all of this stuff together? I mean, I can't imagine a scenario like that on the other side.
ZIEGLER: Of course not, no.
GLENN: I mean, that would burn the place down.
ZIEGLER: No, you are exactly right. And if you have a series of villains in my film, Media Malpractice, almost all of them are NBC employees. And obviously one of them being Tina Fey. But others being not just Olbermann and Matthews. Those are the easy targets. My film goes after the less obvious ones like Brian Williams who is as subtly in the tank as anybody was on this issue. Andrea Mitchell should be absolutely fired. There's another scene which is at howObamagotelected.com in our film where Andrea Mitchell goes way out over the issue of Joe Biden's international test comments where she plays, Glenn -- this is amazing, and no one -- this is a brand-new revelation to the public. No one pointed out that she not only used the less incriminating audio from Joe Biden, she used audio that was from a completely different day in a completely different city, in a completely different context all because it made Joe Biden and Barack Obama look better than the actual audio which was incredibly incriminating by Joe Biden on this issue that Obama would be tested by an international crisis in the first six months, and we prove it in Media Malpractice: How Obama Got Elected and Palin Was Targeted.
GLENN: Hold it just a second. You need to say the name of this thing again.
ZIEGLER: HowObamagotelected.com. Hey, Glenn, I devote my life to this, man.
GLENN: No, I understand it. But depending on how many you sell today, I may take a percentage.
ZIEGLER: I'm happy to do that.
GLENN: So how did, how did she -- do you go into who are the people behind these people that are allowing them to do it? For instance, I know there's no way I'd get on the air either at CNN -- well, maybe it's CNN, if it's the other direction. At CNN or Fox with that kind of taking a speech from a different day, different context, et cetera, et cetera, and playing that on the air and claiming that that was the speech that everybody was talking about. There's no way I would have gotten away with that.
GLENN: Do you look at the people in standards and practices? Do you look at the faces that nobody sees?
ZIEGLER: Well, I don't -- I am not a big -- you know, I don't want to get conspiratorial because I think, you know, even though I do think that there's no question that these pieces are connected, as you say but, you know, Andrea Mitchell is an interesting example because, you know, she's married to Alan Greenspan. So if there was --
GLENN: The man who brought us the housing bubble.
GLENN: The dot-com bubble and the money bubble? What's the problem with that?
ZIEGLER: You can argue that no household in America did more to get Barack Obama elected than the household of Andrea Mitchell and Alan Greenspan, whether they intended it or not. And we prove that in this film. So it is a remarkable circumstance. What I find to be most amazing, Glenn, is that we're always finding out about this episode, which I'm not claiming in and of itself determined the election. This is a death by 1,000 cuts.
ZIEGLER: But this is a severe cut and a blatant example of Media Malpractice. How is it that we're only finding out about it now because one guy, a conservative filmmaker as CNN just called me, they never called the liberal filmmakers liberal, you know, how is it that one guy is able to finally break the story months after the election? No one seems to care about these types of things even when we find out about them because there's no accountability in the media because our attention spans are 5 1/2 seconds long.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. Are you saying when Larry King has Michael Moore on, he's not billed as liberal filmmaker? Is that what you're saying?
ZIEGLER: Please don't compare me to Michael Moore because I actually use facts and I've got a lot less fact.
GLENN: Okay. So tell me your experience with Sarah Palin.
ZIEGLER: Glenn, what I like to tell people is that the biggest surprise about going up to Wasilla other than the $120 cab ride from Anchorage at 3:00 in the morning because there were no rental cars was that there were no surprises in meeting Sarah Palin and her family. They are exactly as everybody who is a fan of hers would hope them to be. She's amazing, she's intelligent, she is smart. She was not whiney in this interview, and it burns me up, Glenn, that that's how the mainstream news media has portrayed her in this. Anybody that sees this entire interview which again is on the DVD will look at her and go, "Wow, I had a misimpression of her" or certainly the news media created a misimpression of her. She could not have been more honest. I think her biggest mistake, Glenn, is that she's a little bit naive, and I always presume that naivety, unless you are an idiot which she clearly is not -- she's very intelligent -- that naivety comes about because you are a good concern and it's beyond you the possibility of evil in others like news media members that would destroy your candidacy for their own purposes.
GLENN: Oh, yeah. She had absolutely no idea. I talked to her during it. She had no idea how evil the news media can be and how out of control even the Republican structure was in Washington. She had no idea. That freight train was coming at her at 1,000 miles an hour and she didn't even see it coming.
ZIEGLER: You nailed it, Glenn, because she graduated with a journalism degree that different era even though it was only 20 years ago.
GLENN: In a different part of the country.
ZIEGLER: Right. And, and I do think that you're right about the McCain campaign structure creating this perfect storm situation. But one of the most interesting things about the interview is we played like six or seven clips of the most egregious examples of Media Malpractice for her. I don't think she had seen or even heard of any of them! Which goes to the people that were surrounding her. She went on Saturday Night Live not knowing that Tina Fey had made a completely inappropriate joke about her daughter being forced into marriage by her for political reasons and then she says in this interview that, you know, she probably would have gone on the show but she certainly would have given Tina Fey a piece of her mind if she had known. I mean, these are important things. How do you go on Saturday Night Live without your people telling you, hey, Tina Fey has done this.
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
ZIEGLER: So she was not done a good service by the people surrounding her. She is a good person, a great leader. We as Americans ought to be proud to have her and it's a travesty and injustice that she has had some of her credibility destroyed by a news media that was clearly trying to perpetrate an agenda.
GLENN: Now, did you ask her to see the pillow?
ZIEGLER: To see the what?
GLENN: The pillow that she was using to -- that she would stuff underneath her blouse to make it look like she was pregnant with her daughter's baby?
ZIEGLER: (Laughing). You know, what was funny, Glenn, was when we got to her home in Wasilla, Bristol answered the door, seven days after she had given birth. And, of course, you know, she went back to care for her newborn and, you know, she couldn't have cared less about us entering the house to interview Governor Palin. And when I wrote about this at Big Hollywood website, I'm not kidding, there were people who were seriously considering that I was part of a conspiracy because I wrote that Bristol went back to care for her child but I didn't actually see the child; I only heard her crying, I only heard the baby crying. So somehow this was part of a conspiracy that I was part of this to continue the cover-up that Sarah Palin didn't really give birth to Trig. I mean, this is the absurdity that we're dealing with here.
GLENN: So John, what is the -- play this out for me. Why should anybody care about this? What does this lead us to? Go beyond, go beyond Step One. Step One was the media is in the bag during this last election like we've never, ever seen before.
GLENN: Go beyond Step One. If this isn't corrected, what does that mean?
ZIEGLER: Glenn, this is such an important point and this is why I've devoted my life to this because this was unprecedented and as you know, especially when you're dealing with the children in the news media, if you don't stop any sort of precedent and have some sort of blowback and accountability toward it, guess what happens. It only gets worse. The floodgates have now been opened. We have now established the precedent that the news media can determine, even if it means destroying someone's character who our president is going to be. Once you go down that path, there's no return, and we have no shot. And it's not a liberal/conservative thing, Glenn. This means that anything can happen. This is the type of thing that leads to dictatorships over the long haul, and I hope you don't quote me as saying Barack Obama is a dictator. No, the reality is that that's where this type of thing leads. It's incredibly dangerous, it's unfair, it's injustice and that's why I devoted my life to trying to correct the historical record about what happened here with Barack Obama and Sarah Palin. And I hope your audience will help me by going to howObamagotelected.com.
GLENN: Shameless. Shameless.
ZIEGLER: If you were in my position, Glenn, you'd do the same thing. I've got my ass so far on the line, I can't see straight on this thing.
GLENN: Well, don't worry. I'm sure the government will come and bail you out.
ZIEGLER: Yeah, I'm sure I'm going to get a bailout with howObamagotelected.com.
GLENN: John, I'm trying to think who's further down the line than I am on bailout. It would be Rush Limbaugh and then you and then I think me. So all right, John, I appreciate it, man.
ZIEGLER: Hey, thanks so much, Glenn.
GLENN: You bet. And again the web address is?
ZIEGLER: I think it's howObamagotelected.com but I'm not sure.
GLENN: And you'll be on television tonight with some clips as well?
ZIEGLER: Absolutely. There's some great stuff in this Palin interview. Looking forward to it.
GLENN: Thanks, John.