| A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (And Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media |
by Bernard Goldberg
GLENN: Bernie Goldberg is here. He's been writing an article for Fusion magazine on the Watchdogs in Name Only. He's also, this is a great book. The title alone is worth the price of admission. A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (and Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media. Welcome to the program, Bernie, how are you?
GOLDBERG: If it sounds like a romance novel, it's because the way if press has been covering Barack Obama is a romance novel. How are you, Glenn?
GLENN: I'm very good.
GOLDBERG: I used to think if you don't mind my saying so I used to think some of your things -- and I'm saying this as a friend.
GLENN: Oh, boy.
GOLDBERG: That, man, this guy is deep, he is out there. And everything you are saying is becoming within the realm of reason. That's scary.
GLENN: It is scary.
GOLDBERG: I mean, you come up with a scenario that, this is an outrageous scenario, and then 10 minutes later it's not outrageous anymore.
GLENN: I know. Barney -- Bernie, I tell you, the -- if you think it's scary and going, gosh, this guy's crazy, try being me because believe me, I don't want to believe any of these things. I'm a guy, I never believed in these things. I've always believed that our country was good and decent and, you know, that there were bad guys in Washington but all these conspiracies and all this stuff. You just can't trust anyone anymore.
GOLDBERG: But here's the thing. Thomas Jefferson said there's one organization, one entity that you need to trust and we will give this entity constitutional protections with absolutely no checks and balances. And that was the media, right? The media's job is not to report about Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton. They can do that if they want, but their job is to keep an eye on government. And if nobody trusts the media anymore -- and by the way, nobody trusts the media anymore. It's not just guys like us. It's liberals and Democrats. Nobody trusts the media anymore.
GOLDBERG: Exactly. So what happens when this media watchdog barks? Nobody's paying attention. That's the danger, and this is what I wrote in your magazine. That's the danger. That's why they're a threat to democracy.
You know, they are out there now, there are a bunch of articles out there now about how the collapse of newspapers around the country are a threat to democracy. What all these people who are wailing about this don't point out is that they brought this on themselves. Nobody trusts them anymore. They brought this on themselves. And this one, one magazine in Washington, the New Republic, actually blames me by name, by name, for creating a poisonous atmosphere in which newspapers and magazines are going under. Like I wish I had that kind of influence.
GLENN: Bernie, I tell you something, I think that, you know, here's another crazy theory of mine. As things really melt down -- I mean, when the Dow was at 14,000 I said, get out; it will be at 7500. And everybody says crazy. The things I'm talking about now are even more crazy than that and I'm already seeing the beginning of it that they are going to blame me for --
GLENN: -- sowing the seeds of discontent.
GLENN: Because everybody needs an enemy. You need a bad guy.
GLENN: And it's easy to blame the person who is looking at this whole thing and saying, "All of you guys have created this safe little world for you that is a danger to democracy."
GOLDBERG: Right. Now look, they are already blaming conservative talk radio or whatever you want to call your kind of show. You know, conservative, sensible, whatever you want to call it.
GLENN: Yeah. I'm conservative.
GOLDBERG: They blamed me by name, as I say, for poisoning the well and creating newspapers going under, which is laughable. They are not introspective, whether it's the media or whether it's politicians in Washington. They are not introspective. It's a lot easier to blame Glenn Beck and conservative talk radio than it is to say, "What the hell. Everything we do here, the market goes lower. It's what we're doing that people have no faith in. It's not Glenn Beck's fault."
GLENN: The solution is the problem. More with Bernie Goldberg in a second.
GLENN: In the April issue of Fusion magazine on sale now, the April issue is Springtime for Bailouts and the Fed. Bernie Goldberg has written an article in there, Watchdogs in Name Only. It's about the media. And he's got a fantastic new book out called A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (And Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media
Bernie, we were talking. You know, you said basically the solution is the problem now and there's nobody that is really telling the truth in the media. They are all in bed for their own little cause or whatever it is. I wrote something last night for the Internet. I was up for the Insider section and I wrote something last night and in it I wrote the line, and when I wrote it, I thought, "This is so true." I said, in the coming days, weeks and year, your integrity and your word will be more valuable than gold. And I mean that. There's no one that we really trust anymore.
GOLDBERG: Right. We're supposed to trust the media. They are supposed to be the impartial referee, and they gave up that right. They just, they gave up that right. And I don't know who you -- I mean, I think people who follow you turn to you and people who follow somebody else turn to somebody else, but we need a strong mainstream media because they are the impartial, impartial arbiters. They are the ones who tell us the truth supposedly in theory, but it just isn't the case anymore.
Usually -- look, usually they put a thumb on the scale. Liberal reporters put a thumb on the scale for a liberal candidate. Okay, we've come to understand that. Now they sit on the scale and they say, "Hey, you don't like it? Too bad." And we're supposed to accept that. This slobbering is going to get us all in a lot of trouble, a lot of trouble because if we don't have an impartial watchdog out there, I'm going to repeat what you ask: Who are you supposed to believe at that point.
GLENN: So Bernie, the Internet is -- I mean, there is the voice of the people that can be found there but, boy, I was doing some research on some absolutely crazy things that I want to just put to bed that is going around on the Internet. The Internet is both great because you can get the truth out there but it is also now, it is the source of spreading rumors and lies.
GOLDBERG: Right, right.
GLENN: And it is so very rapid. What does the average person do without the watchdog, Bernie?
GOLDBERG: Let me first comment on your unfortunately all too correct observation. When I was growing up, I'll tell you where the most hate was. It was in the Ku Klux Klan. It was in the neo-Nazi groups. You know, that's sort of like they were really bad, disgusting people. Do you know where the most hate is today? It's not white against black or black against white. It's mostly middle class, mostly white, mostly men, young men on the Internet who don't have to give their real names and they could say the most vile things about anybody they don't like and make up stuff.
GOLDBERG: And as you say, two seconds later it's around the world.
GLENN: I've seen stuff both left and right on the Internet.
GOLDBERG: Mostly left. Mostly left. The haters, the big haters are on the left these days.
GLENN: I've seen it both. I couldn't -- I mean, if you've looked into this, I haven't, but I've seen it on both sides. But I will tell you, I'm seeing -- you know, somebody said on my show a couple of weeks ago, they said Americans, you know, the American Civil War like we know it back in the 1860s would never happen again because brothers would not take arms against brothers. There is so much disinformation, there is so much lying out there, there are so many sources that are telling such horrible untruths.
GLENN: About each side.
GLENN: That you are not going to -- Stu, do you remember? Bernie, by the way, Stu is my executive producer on the radio show. Stu, do you remember when I said back in, what, '96 maybe, I said there's going to come a time in the future where Americans will no longer believe their eyes because a digital manipulation of photography and everything else, you will not know what the truth is anymore because it will all be blurred.
GOLDBERG: That's already happening.
STU: Oh, yeah.
GLENN: We're here.
GOLDBERG: That's already happening.
GLENN: We're here. So again, Bernie, I ask you what do we do?
GOLDBERG: That's why a mainstream media is so important. Look, could I try to answer that? But this is personal. If you can give me 30 seconds for a personal.
GLENN: Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
GOLDBERG: Look, I have no constitutional right to tell my version of the truth on anybody's radio show or TV show. So I want to make clear, I have no right. But ABC, NBC, CBS and NPR won't lemon because these are not the kinds of views that we're talking about that they want to hear. That's their right. I think they lose the right, however, to say they don't have an agenda, but that's their right. I just find out now that a company that I've defended about 10,000 times, Wal-Mart, the biggest retailer in America, won't sell my book because they won't sell anti-Barack Obama books. This is not an anti-Barack Obama book. It's an anti media bias book.
GLENN: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
GOLDBERG: Yeah, you heard it correctly. You heard it correctly. They have ordered --
GLENN: Wait a minute. How do you know that? Where have you heard that?
GOLDBERG: Publisher has told my representative that we have sold no books at Wal-Mart because they will not buy the book because they don't want to sell anti-Obama books. Now, we're waiting for a statement from Wal-Mart and we've been waiting since last Friday for a statement because I heard about this Friday evening. I have a call in; Fox News has a call in. We haven't heard back yet. Now, what I'm saying is if somebody like me can't get my views out on places like NBC, ABC, CBS and NPR because they don't want to hear these kinds of views and I can't get my views out in the biggest retailer in America, I mean, thank God for Glenn Beck.
GLENN: Bernie, I have to tell you.
GOLDBERG: You don't believe me, right?
GLENN: No, I don't. I want to see the evidence of that and I also want to see -- and ask your publisher for this. I also want to see if there were any anti-Bush books that were sold at Wal-Mart. There had to have been.
GOLDBERG: We're going to find out.
GLENN: And I'm not willing to throw Wal-Mart under the bus on that. That doesn't make any business sense whatsoever.
GOLDBERG: I've defended this company against crazy criticism over the years.
GLENN: Yeah. So have I.
GOLDBERG: But if they don't get back to us, that's on them.
GLENN: Okay. So Bernie, listen. I want you to get back. Could you come back tomorrow on this program and give us the results of this?
GOLDBERG: I'm flying. I'm going to be in the air tomorrow, but the next day I can.
GLENN: Okay. So you come back and you give us the results of that because I would like to know the results of that. And I would like to know which books they have sold in the past. I will tell you, Bernie, that if this is happening, this is a sign of something else that, you know, you probably thought was crazy when I said it a year ago that companies are going to be taken over by the government. They will be nationalized like the banks and people will be so afraid.
GLENN: And so frightened in the business community.
GLENN: That they just, they won't mess with anybody.
GOLDBERG: That's exactly what we have to fear. That is exactly right. And I will get back to you Wednesday morning with what I found out.
GLENN: Okay, thanks. I appreciate it, Bernie.
UPDATE: Response from Wal-Mart
We are currently selling Mr. Goldberg’s book on Walmart.com where we carry the majority of our book selection.
In our stores, we offer consumers the top selection of best selling books in many categories, and a wider variety of books on our Web site.
Walmart Stores have had no conversations with the publisher for placing the book in stores. Not being a specialty retailer, we carry very few nonfiction books in stores, so Mr. Goldberg’s book is one that we would watch and see based on customer response.