Glenn Beck talks with Dr. Keith Ablow



Living the Truth: Transform Your Life Through the Power of Insight and Honesty




by Keith Ablow

GLENN: From Radio City in Midtown Manhattan, third most listened to show in all of America. We have Oleg on the phone. We're going to go to her in just a second, or him. I'm not really -- anyway, he's from the former Soviet Union and he says, Americans, you don't know how great communist policies are. You are right, I missed all of that in the history books. So we're going to go to him in just a second because it sounds fantastic. But we also have Dr. Keith Ablo on the phone, and I want to talk to Keith for just a second about, he is a psychiatrist and, Keith, you still have your practice?

ABLO: Yes, I do.

GLENN: And, you know, you're one of the big cheeses and have been on television for a long time, had your own show, Today Show, et cetera, et cetera. You kind of just watched psychiatric trends really and help people kind of, you know, weather the storms that everybody may be going through. I talked to you a little bit last night about the storms that I think are coming our way are going to be very similar to what people were feeling right after 9/11 where they kind of lost a sense of security. They lost a sense of self. They didn't know what was real anymore and they could depend on. Would you agree with that, that that's why people are starting to move again?

ABLO: I think that's absolutely right, and I think you have your finger on the pulse of that trend, Glenn, because not only is it a question about when will the economy repair itself, when can I look forward to being less financially stressed and having my self-esteem restored, now I think there's an additional variable which is what is my country likely to be like, what is this part of myself that I consider to be an American is changing in a way that I feel I have little control of.

GLENN: Do you have any --

ABLO: I think people don't know exactly where we're headed.

GLENN: Okay. So how does that -- play this out for me. I mean, to be an American is a very important thing to many Americans. I mean, there's a lot of people who are like, "Hey, we're not any, you know, better or worse than anybody else." But Americans, the founding of this country for a profound number of Americans, what we have always stood for for freedom and small government, et cetera, et cetera. To have that change and -- you know, Stu and I were talking about it earlier today. You know, the difference between the socialism in Sweden or anywhere in Europe and here is over there they voted for it and it changed slowly. This is just the imposing of real socialist machinery on the country, and we didn't really have a say in it. We had one election and then, boom, all of this has happened. How is this going to play out in people's heads, Keith?

ABLO: I think it remains to be seen, but I'm concerned. I think that, yes, people do care this is part of their self-concept. The notion of being American, that you can fix your own problems, that if liberty is at risk, whether here or abroad, that there's a court of last resort called the United States. People internalize this. It empowers them. And not just entrepreneurs. It empowers working people who feel competent, who feel like they are part of a force in the world. I think now that is a kind of -- the rudder of that ship is adrift and I think that people not only question where will I be economically but what will I be in terms of my national identity. And what if it doesn't match all of these things that I've internalized since I was being a powerful and independent person committed to liberty.

GLENN: Dr. Keith Ablo is with us. Let me share this with you. I had a police officer who's an Insider post something and he said -- the Insider is our premium membership website thing. And he posted something and I read it the other day and in it he said, "Look, I've been a cop in Tennessee for a very long time, and I would have never, ever seen this stuff coming. I wouldn't have believed it a year ago." And he said he can't tell me how many people he runs into that are currently quoting the Declaration of Independence. And he said, "I'm very concerned about, you know, how people are viewing the future and their role, et cetera, et cetera" because it is unstable. How, Keith, how do we empower people in their own lives to make sure that they know they are in control of their own destiny but we don't create a situation to where people want to pick up arms and go get the people in Washington. You know what I mean? How do you -- this is a very delicate balance because people feel like their government has betrayed them.

ABLO: I think that it is very delicate, Glenn, and I think that you do that by reminding people that they're individuals with choices and that no one, despite the way a system can change, can deprive them of the daily choices they make about how they conduct themselves, nor are they yet or in the foreseeable future hopefully deprived of their votes and so I think that the way to empower them is to say, look, you still have a pen in your hand. You are going to participate in writing the next chapter of our collective histories together and be acutely aware. Listen. Learn. Really think about the direction that we're headed because you know what? You're still empowered to impact that direction. Don't put your pen down. Don't put your mind aside and hope that the momentum of what we've known to be our nation is going to continue in the same direction because it doesn't feel that way. And that's causing people an awful lot of anxiety. You've got to tell them, listen, you really still can chart the course of this country. You've got to get more information, you've got to look at things realistically about what's really happening. You know, people carry this deep in their souls. They may have been told "I love you" by a parent who was hurting them and they get confused. I see in my patients for the first time in 16 years that their doubt about whether they are being told the truth about who we are and who we're becoming as a people is weighing on them in terms of their mood and anxiety level on a daily basis.

GLENN: That's significant, Keith. In your profession what you're seeing come into your office as this, how significant is it?

ABLO: I think it's a sea change. I think this is tremendously significant. Listen, I've had -- you know, I've talked with people who have been violent. I've talked with people who have suffered through major depression. I've counseled families when the spouses are considering divorce or have divorced or God forbid have lost a child. I have not had, in a decade and a half of experience at the front lines of psychiatry, I have not had one after another individual, regardless of his or had your stature socioeconomically coming in saying, "Well, I just don't know what to believe anymore. I don't know if I believe in my company and I don't know if I believe any of these politicians and I don't know if I believe in myself because last time I checked, the decisions that I thought I made that were good and decent about where I lived or how much money I was saving or where I was investing, you know, I believed all these things. I thought I was, you know, at least smart enough to manage my feelings. So I'm not sure I can believe in myself anymore."

GLENN: Wow.

ABLO: This is a very dangerous time because you know, as I do, that at times like this people can look for a charismatic voice that takes them in any direction because they feel directionless, and you don't want to go in the wrong direction. People are vulnerable to that.

GLENN: Keith, I'm concerned about our children. I remember the first time I saw my father cry and it was a big deal because my dad didn't cry. Unlike my kids who, you know, they walk into a room and I'm, you know, reading -- you know, I'm reading the back of a cereal box and I'm crying and they're like, oh, jeez, Dad's crying again. But for the first time in my children's lives besides September 11th, they have seen me cry and it will be because I get off the phone with a friend who is losing their house or I watch something in the news and I see and I know what it means and I've noticed that they don't -- you know, usually they make fun of me when I cry. They don't now. They'll stand there and they'll look down and then they will just slowly look back up at me. And I'll say it's okay. I think this is happening in a lot of homes where the adults either know that they are going to lose their house or they are fearful for their country or they don't know what's going on and there will be whispered conversations perhaps with the adults or they will see -- kids aren't stupid. They see the emotion and they don't -- what does it mean to them and what is the best way to handle this with our children?

ABLO: Well, I think what it means to them is a kind of, you know, sphere of anxiety that's around them that they can't quite define, right, because unless you are a teenager and, you know, more aware of things and sampling the news and hearing this from your, you know, teachers in school, if you are 6 or 10 years old, what you have is sort of vague sense that things are not right. This is the breeding place, right, for later depression and anxiety and sleeplessness and questions about your self-worth. You know, my kids notice that 7 and 10 years old the dads are at the bus stop, more dads than before. Why? Why is our neighbor at the bus stop now? Well, he lost his job. Now, what does that -- will they be able to stay our neighbors, right, and what does that mean to them? Can we keep our house? I think what you have to say, you have to be able to tell your kids the truth about the circumstances but also bring them to this reality which is that the thing that can't be taken from us is that we're a family and if you're lucky enough that your house isn't threatened, you say, no, we're not leaving here. But listen, God forbid we had to, guess what, we'd be going together and here's what, we can change. You know, we're still going to sit down to dinner every night. We would even do that if we were living in a house a third this size. And we could, you know. You know, because I have a particular perch, Glenn, as you do. You have a pulpit. You listen to people. In my office in 16 years, I haven't had a single person ever come in and say, "You know, I'm upset with my dad or mom." These are adults coming in. "Because when I was growing up they didn't have a lot of money."

GLENN: Right.

ABLO: Never. It's always a question of what was the quality of their love.

GLENN: Keith, how do you explain to people who are losing -- because it seems to me like empty rhetoric, but I know it to be true because I've lost everything before, and I said to a good friend of mine who was losing everything, I said, you're not defined by what you have, and when you can come to grips with losing it and know that you're not losing who you are and your family is going to be fine and it will be a good time for your family because you will lean on each other. You'll struggle but you'll come through it. You'll be better for it. It seems like it's empty to most people. They will kind of -- I can feel it. They will roll their eyes. I've lived it. How do you explain that? What should you say to your friends?

ABLO: Yeah, and one thing that you explain -- here's the way that I explain it I'd say this. That to deny your pain would be to impoverish yourself.

GLENN: What does that mean?

ABLO: Of course it's painful to contemplate not having material possessions that you once did. But to be able to say that in the midst of that you are tapping a core strength heretofore potentially unknown to you, your ability to survive and to render assistance to others I think can be a way out of feeling helpless where you say, listen, this is a calamity of sorts and now to extract the best from it, you are going to have to reach deep down and show who you are as a person, what your family's like as a family, what kind of neighbor can you be and what are you going to do in the face of this, what resources can you bring to bear. It's one thing to feel so ashamed that you've lost your job that you can't pick up the phone. It's another to call 20 friends and say, "Hey, listen, I'm in a tough spot here. I'm calling you because there aren't -- you know, there are a dozen and a half people in the whole world, I could use some help. Can you think with me about what my next move should be." There is help out there and guidance and there's that certain knowledge that you're connected to other people and you're never powerless. They can't take that away from you unless you give it away.

GLENN: Okay. Keith, I'd love to have you on again next week and I want to talk to you a little bit about, I think that there is a coming addiction problem in this country of prescriptions.

ABLO: Well, there is.

GLENN: Agree?

ABLO: Nobody wants to feel pain. Where do they go? Alcohol and drugs.

GLENN: Yeah, okay. So we'll talk. I'll talk to you again next week. Dr. Keith Ablo. Thanks, man. All right, bye-bye.

Just, we've just got to watch each other. We really have to watch each other. And if your spouse is thinking about going to a doctor and Xanax and everything else, please, as somebody who has experience in the family on this, please, please be careful.

 

Today is the 75th anniversary of D-Day, the largest amphibious invasion in history.

The Allied invasion force included 5,000 ships and landing craft, 11,000 planes, and almost three million allied soldiers, airmen and sailors. Despite such numbers, the location and timing of the invasion was still an enormous gamble. The Nazis fully expected such an invasion, they just didn't know precisely when or where it would be.

Despite the enormous logistics involved, the gamble worked and by the end of June 6, 1944, 156,000 Allied troops were ashore in Normandy. The human cost was also enormous – over 4,900 American troops died on D-Day. That number doubled over the next month as they fought to establish a foothold in northern France.

There were five beach landing zones on the coast of northwestern France, divided among the Allies. They gave each landing zone a name. Canada was responsible for "Juno." Britain was responsible for "Gold" and "Sword." And the U.S. had "Utah" and "Omaha."

The Nazis were dug in with bunkers, machine guns, artillery, mines, barbed wire, and other obstacles to tangle any attempt to come ashore. Of the five beaches, Omaha was by far the most heavily defended. Over 2,500 U.S. soldiers were killed at Omaha – the beach so famously depicted in the opening battle sequence of the 1998 movie, Saving Private Ryan. The real-life assault on Omaha Beach included 34 men in that first wave of attack who came from the same small town of Bedford, Virginia. The first Americans to die on Omaha Beach were the men from Bedford.

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America has a national D-Day Memorial, but many people don't know about it.

America has a national D-Day Memorial, but many people don't know about it. Maybe that's because it wasn't a government project and it's not in Washington DC. It was initiated and financed by veterans and private citizens. It's tucked away in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains, in the small town of Bedford, Virginia. Why is the memorial for one of the most famous days in modern world history in such a tiny town? Because, as a proportion of its population of just 3,200 at the time, no community in the U.S. sacrificed more men on D-Day than Bedford.

There were 34 men in Company A from Bedford. Of those thirty-four, 23 died in the first wave of attacks. Six weeks after D-Day, the town's young telegraph operator was overwhelmed when news of many of the first deaths clattered across the Western Union line on the same day. Name after name of men and families that she knew well. There were so many at once that she had to enlist the help of customers in the pharmacy's soda shop to help deliver them all.

Among those killed in action were brothers Bedford and Raymond Hoback. Bedford was the rambunctious older brother with a fiancée back home that he couldn't wait to return to. Raymond was the quieter, more disciplined younger brother who could often be found reading his Bible. He fell in love with a British woman during his two years in England training for D-Day. Like in that opening sequence of Saving Private Ryan, Bedford and Raymond barely made it down the ramp of their Higgins Boat in the swarm of bullets and hot steel before they were cut down in the wet sand.

Bedford and Raymond Hoback's mother, Macie, learned of both their deaths from two separate telegrams, the first on a Sunday morning, the second the following day. Their younger sister, Lucille, remembered her mother's devastation, and her father walking out to the barn to cry.

The day after D-Day, the killing field of Omaha Beach was already transforming into the massive supply port that would help fuel the American drive all the way to Berlin over the next year. A soldier from West Virginia was walking along the beach when he saw something jutting out of the sand. He reached down and pulled it out. He was surprised to find it was a Bible. The inside cover was inscribed with: "Raymond S. Hoback, from mother, Christmas, 1938." The soldier wrote a letter and mailed it with the Bible to Raymond's mother. That Bible, which likely tumbled from Raymond's pack when he fell on D-Day, became Macie Hoback's most cherished possession – the only personal belonging of her son that was ever returned.

Of the 23 Bedford men who died on Omaha Beach, eleven were laid to rest in the American cemetery in Normandy.

These men, many of them barely out of their teens, didn't sign up to march to the slaughter of course. They had hopes and dreams just like you and I. Many of them signed up for adventure, or because of peer pressure, and yes, a sense of honor and duty. Many of the Bedford Boys first signed up for the National Guard just to make a few extra bucks per month, get to hang out with their buddies, and enjoy target practice. But someone had to be first at Omaha Beach and that responsibility fell to the men from Bedford.

Over the last several years, the D-Day anniversary gets increasingly sad. Because each year, there are fewer and fewer men alive who were actually in Normandy on June 6, 1944. The last of the surviving Bedford Boys died in 2009. Most of the remaining D-Day veterans who are still with us are too frail to make the pilgrimage to France for the anniversary ceremonies like they used to.

It's difficult to think about losing these World War II veterans, because once they're all gone, we'll lose that tether to a time when the nation figured out how to be a better version of itself.

Not that they were saints and did everything right. They were as human as we are, with all the fallibility that entails. But in some respects, they were better. Because they went, and they toughed it out, and they accomplished an incredibly daunting mission, with sickening hardship, heartbreak, and terror along the way.

So, what does the anniversary of D-Day mean in 2019?

In one sense, this anniversary is a reprimand that we've failed to tell our own story well enough.

In one sense, this anniversary is a reprimand that we've failed to tell our own story well enough. You can't learn about the logistics of the operation and above all, the human cost, and not be humbled. But as a society, we have not emphasized well enough the story of D-Day and all that it represents. How can I say that? Because of an example just last weekend, when common sense got booed by Democratic Socialists at the California Democrats' State Convention. When Democratic presidential candidate John Hickenlooper said during his speech that "socialism is not the answer," the crowd booed loudly. When did telling the truth about socialism become controversial?

Sure, socialists, and communists and other anti-American factions have always been around. America certainly had socialists in 1944. But the current socialists trying to take over the Democratic Party like a virus don't believe in the D-Day sacrifices to preserve America, because they don't believe America is worth preserving. They are agitating to reform America using the authoritarian playbook that has only ended in death and destruction everywhere it is followed.

Ask a Venezuelan citizen, or an Iraqi Christian, or a North Korean peasant why D-Day still matters in 2019.

The further we move away from caring about pivotal events like June 6, 1944, the less chance of survival we have as a nation.

At the same time, the D-Day anniversary is a reminder that we're not done yet. It's an opportunity for us to remember and let that inform how we live.

Near the end of Saving Private Ryan, the fictional Captain Miller lays dying, and he gives one last instruction to Private Ryan, the young man that he and his unit have sacrificed their lives to rescue in Normandy. He says, "Earn it."

In other words, don't waste the sacrifices that were made so that your life could be saved. Live it well. The message to "earn it" extends to the viewer and the nation as well – can we say we're earning the sacrifices that were made by Americans on D-Day? I cringe to think how our few remaining World War II veterans might answer that.

Honor. Duty. Sacrifice. Gratitude. Personal responsibility. These used to mean a lot more.

Honor. Duty. Sacrifice. Gratitude. Personal responsibility. These used to mean a lot more. I don't want to believe it's too late for us to rediscover those traits as a nation. I want to believe we can still earn it.

The challenge to "earn it" is a lot of pressure. Frankly, it's impossible. We can't fully earn the liberty that we inherited. But we can certainly try to earn it. Not trying is arrogant and immoral. And to tout socialism as the catch-all solution is naïve, and insulting to the men like those from Bedford who volunteered to go defend freedom. In truly striving to earn it, we help keep the flame of liberty aglow for future generations. It is necessary, honorable work if freedom is to survive.

The end of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address is remarkably relevant for every anniversary of June 6, 1944. This is what D-Day still means in 2019:

"It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us – that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion – that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain – that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Letter from Corporal H.W. Crayton to Mr. and Mrs. Hoback – parents of Bedford and Raymond Hoback who were both killed in action on June 6, 1944

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July 9, 1944 Somewhere in France

Dear Mr. & Mrs. Hoback:

I really don't know how to start this letter to you folks, but will attempt to do something in words of writing. I will try to explain in the letter what this is all about.

While walking along the Beach D-day Plus One, I came upon this Bible and as most any person would do I picked it up from the sand to keep it from being destroyed. I knew that most all Bibles have names & addresses within the cover so I made it my business to thumb through the pages until I came upon the name above. Knowing that you no doubt would want the Book returned I am sending it knowing that most Bibles are a book to be cherished. I would have sent it sooner but have been quite busy and thought it best if a short period of time elapsed before returning it.

You have by now received a letter from your son saying he is well. I sincerely hope so.

I imagine what has happened is that your son dropped the Book without any notice. Most everybody who landed on the Beach D-Day lost something. I for one as others did lost most of my personal belongings, so you see how easy it was to have dropped the book and not know about it.

Everything was in such a turmoil that we didn't have a chance until a day or so later to try and locate our belongings.

Since I have arrived here in France I have had occasion to see a little of the country and find it quite like parts of the U.S.A. It is a very beautiful country, more so in peace time. War does change everything as it has this country. One would hardly think there was a war going on today. Everything is peaceful & quiet. The birds have begun their daily practice, all the flowers and trees are in bloom, especially the poppies & tulips which are very beautiful at this time of the year.

Time goes by so quickly as it has today. I must close hoping to hear that you receive the Bible in good shape.

Yours very truly,

Cpl. H.W. Crayton

It's not as easy as it used to be for billion-dollar entertainment empires like The Walt Disney Company. It would be more streamlined for Disney to produce its major motion pictures in its own backyard. After all, abortion in California is readily available, as well as a protected, cherished right. And since abortion access is critical for movie production, right up there with lighting equipment and craft services, you would think California would be the common-sense choice for location shooting. Alas, even billion-dollar studios must pinch pennies these days. So, in recent years, Disney, among other major Hollywood studios, has been farming out production to backwater Southern lands like Georgia, and even Louisiana. Those states offer more generous tax breaks than Disney's native California. As a result, Georgia for example, played host to much of the shooting for the recent worldwide box office smash Avengers: Endgame.

But now it looks like it's Georgia's endgame. The state recently passed what is known as a "heartbeat" bill – a vicious, anti-woman law that would try to make pregnant women allow their babies to be born and actually live. It's a bridge too far for a major studio like Disney, which was largely built on creating family entertainment. How can Disney possibly go about making quality movies, often aimed at children, without access to unfettered abortion? It's unconscionable. Lack of abortion access makes it nearly impossible to shoot movies. So, what's a major studio to do? Disney might have considered migrating its business to Louisiana, but that state too has now signed a heartbeat bill into law. It's utter madness.

These monstrous anti-abortion bills, coupled with having to live under President Trump, has led Disney to seek a new home for its legendary movie magic. Last week, Disney's CEO, Bob Iger, announced that all future Disney movies will now be filmed on location in the Sub-Saharan African nation of Wakanda.

"Disney and Wakanda are a match made in heaven," Iger told reporters. "Wakanda was, until recently, a secret kingdom, much like our own Magic Kingdom. With this new partnership, we'll not only get to continue our legacy of making movies that parents and children everywhere enjoy together, but we'll get to do so in a safe space that reveres abortion as much as we do."

Wakanda is one of only four African countries (out of 55) that allow unrestricted abortion.

As home to the most advanced technology in the world – and with the planet's highest per-capita concentration of wokeness – Wakanda offers women painless, hassle-free abortion on demand. As the Wakandan health ministry website explains, the complete absence of any white-patriarchal-Judeo-Christian influence allows women in Wakanda to have complete control of their own bodies (with the exception of females who are still fetuses). As winner of the U.N.'s 2018 Golden Forceps award (the U.N.'s highest abortion honor) Wakanda continues its glowing record on abortion. That makes it an ideal location for Disney's next round of live-action remakes of its own animated movies in which the company plans to remove all male characters.

Iger says he hopes to convince Wakandan leadership to share their top-secret vibranium-based abortion procedure technology so that American women can enjoy the same convenient, spa-like abortion treatment that Wakandan women have enjoyed for years.

Wakanda is one of only four African countries (out of 55) that allow unrestricted abortion. Disney plans to boycott and/or retaliate against the other 51 African nations, as well as any U.S. states, that restrict abortion. Specific plans are being kept under wraps, but sources say Disney's potential retaliation may include beaming Beverly Hills Chihuahua into the offending territories on a continuous, indefinite loop.

When asked how Wakanda's futuristic capital city and distinctly African landscape would be able to double for American movie locations, Iger said, "I guess America will just have to look more like Wakanda from now on."

One potential wrinkle for the Left-leaning studio is the fact that Wakanda has an impenetrable border wall-shield-thing designed to keep out foreign invaders as well as illegal immigrants. Iger said he understands Wakanda's policy of exclusivity, adding, "After all, not everyone gets into Disneyland. You have to have a ticket to get in. Anyone is welcome, but you have to go through the process of getting a ticket." When one reporter pointed out that Iger's answer sounded like the conservative argument for legal immigration under the rule of law, Iger insisted that the reporter was "a moronic fascist."

What if the unthinkable happens and Florida also enacts its own "heartbeat" law? That would be problematic since Walt Disney World is located in Florida. Iger responded that Disney would "cross that bridge if we get to it" but that the most likely scenario would entail "dismantling Disney World piece-by-piece and relocating it to the actual happiest place on earth – Wakanda." As for whether Disney would ever open character-themed abortion clinics inside its theme parks, Iger remained coy, but said, "Well, it is the place where dreams come true."

With the Wakanda solution, Disney may have found a place where Minnie Mouse can finally follow her heart and have true freedom of choice.

When pressed about the cost of ramping up production in a secretive African kingdom that has no existing moviemaking infrastructure (which could easily end up being much more expensive than simply shooting in California) Iger said, "You can't put a price tag on abortion freedom. Wakanda Forever and Abortion Forever!"

With the Wakanda solution, Disney may have found a place where Minnie Mouse can finally follow her heart and have true freedom of choice. And that will be welcome relief to traditional families all over the world who keep the Walt Disney Company in business.

*Disclaimer: The preceding story is a parody. Bob Iger did not actually say any of the quotes in the story. Neither is Wakanda an actual nation on planet Earth.

"Journeys of Faith with Paula Faris," is a podcast featuring conversations about how faith has guided newsmakers and celebrities through their best and worst times. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is a much maligned religion so Glenn joined the podcast and took the time to explain what it means to him and how it changed his life.

From his suicidal days and his battle with drugs and alcohol, it was his wife Tania and his faith that saved him. All his ups and downs have given him the gift of empathy and he says he now understands the "cry for mercy" — something he wishes he'd given out more of over the years.

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One of these times I'm going to go on vacation, and I'm just not going to come back. I learn so much on a farm.

You want to know how things work, go spend a summer on a farm. You're having problems with your son or daughter, go spend a summer on a farm.

My son changed. Over two weeks.

Getting him out of bed, getting him to do anything, is like insane. He's a 15-year-old kid. Going all through the normal 15-year-old boy stuff. Getting him on the farm, where he was getting up and actually accomplishing stuff, having to build or mend fences, was amazing. And it changed him.

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Our society does not allow our kids to grow up, ever. I am convinced that our 15-year-olds could be fixing all kinds of stuff. Could be actually really making an impact in a positive way in our society. And what's wrong with our society is, we have gotten away from how things actually work. We're living in this theoretical world. When you're out on a farm, there's no theory here. If it rains, the crops will grow. If it rains too much, the crops won't grow.

If there's no sun, they won't grow. If there's too much sun, they'll shrivel up and die. There's no theory. We were out mending fences. Now, when I say the phrase to you, mending fences, what does that mean? When you think of mending fences, you think of, what?

Coming together. Bringing people together. Repairing arguments.

I've never mended a fence before until I started stringing a fence and I was like, "I ain't doing this anymore! Where is it broken? Can't we just tie a piece of barbed wire together?"

Let's stop talking about building a wall. Because that has all kinds of negative imagery. Mending fences is what we need to do.

That's called mending fences.

And why do you mend fences? So your animals don't get out and start to graze on somebody else's land. When your fence goes down, your cow is now on somebody else's land. And your cow is now eating their food.

We look at the phrase, mending fences as saying, hey. You know, we were both wrong. Mending fences has nothing to do with that.

Mending fences means build a wall. My neighbors and I, we're going to get along fine, as long as my cows don't go and steal their food, or their cows don't come over and steal my cow's food.

We're perfectly neighborly with each other, until one of us needs to mend a fence, because, dude, you got to mend that, because your cows keep coming over and eating my food.

You know what we need to do with Mexico? Mend fences.

Now, that's a phrase. You hear build a wall. That's horrible.

No, no, no. We need to mend fences.

In a farming community, that means putting up an electric fence. That means putting up barbed wire.

So the cows — because the cows will — they'll stick their head through barbed wire. And they'll eat the grass close to the road. Or eat the grass close to the other side of the fence. And they'll get their heads in between those fences. And they can't get out sometimes. Because the grass is always greener on the other side. You look at these damn cows and say turn around, cow — there's plenty of stuff over here.

No. They want the grass on the other side of the fence.

So you mend it.

And if it's really bad, you do what we do. We had to put an electric fence up. Now, imagine putting an electric fence up. That seems pretty radical and expensive.

Does it really work? Does it shock them? What does that feel like to a cow?

The cows hit it once, and then they don't hit it again. They can actually hear the buzz of the electric fence. There's a warning. Don't do it. Don't do it. They hear the current and they hit it once and they're like, "I'm not going to do that again."

So you mend fences, which means, keep your stuff on your side. I like you. We're good neighbors. You keep your stuff on your side and I'll keep my stuff on my side and we'll get together at the town hall and we'll see each other at the grocery store. Because we're good neighbors. But what stops us from fighting is knowing that there is a fence there.

This is my stuff. That's your stuff. But we can still trade and we'll help each other. But let's stop talking about building a wall. Because that has all kinds of negative imagery. Mending fences is what we need to do.

You can have a tough fence. It could be a giant wall. It could be an electric fence. But you need one. And that's how you come together.

The side that's having the problem, mends the fence.