GLENN: From Radio City in Midtown Manhattan, third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, you sick twisted freak. There's a couple of things I want to talk about. You know, I'm going to have to get back to this Christian Science Monitor article, The Coming Evangelical Collapse: An AntiChristian Chapter in Western History is About to Begin. Michael Spencer writes, this collapse will herald the arrival of an anti-Christian chapter of the post-Christian West. Intolerance of Christianity will rise to levels that many of us did not believe possible in our lifetimes. I want to switch gears here. He gives several reasons and they're all tree. They're all true and we'll get back into that tomorrow, in tomorrow's program in Hour Number 2, but I want to switch gears here because there's something here on the mail online, the London Mail, and it is amazing because we've called Sky Television and there were no television cameras here. Surprisingly the press has dropped the ball on this one over in London. There are only camera shots of this. It is the troops coming home from Afghanistan and a Muslim preacher ridiculing the soldiers during the homecoming parade. Now, it's this preacher and he's got all kinds of other people and they're protesting and they're holding signs. They are the butchers of Basra. They were taunting them. They were yelling and screaming that they were cowards that had an uncanny knack for death by friendly fire. They also said that they had an amazing skill at murdering and torturing thousands of innocent people, women and children. They called them a vile parade of brutal killers. They were shouting that they were Nazis. These guys also, this group of people also want Britain to be an Islamic state ruled by Sharia law. Let me see what else they're saying. The parade was an insult, cowards, killers and extremists. That's what they said.
All right, here's the interesting thing. The police arrested a couple of them. Gosh, not the Muslims that were screaming these things. No, no, no. People that were screaming things back to this preacher and his flock. They couldn't even print it. It was so horrible for the English papers that they couldn't even print what was said. It was just this. Words came as police charged a man who allegedly shouted abuse at the war protestors. Later is says police were already out in force to protect the antiwar group and arrested two men among the soldier supporters. You cannot say a word in England against that kind of speech! They can be shouting it but you can't shout it back because yours is hate speech; theirs is not. This is what's coming, gang. This is what's coming. And you're going to see it. You already see it in small doses. The extreme left already says the most vile, vicious, awful things. They are standing up in our churches, in front of our children screaming hate speech. And what does anybody do about it? Is that even on television? And yet you can't say marriage should be between a man and a woman, and civil unions is fine. You can't have Barack Obama's position without being torpedoed, without being a hater, unless you're Barack Obama.
Joel Rosenberg has been watching these stories for a while. He's with us now. He's got a new book out called Inside the Revolution. Joel, are you familiar with these guys in England?
ROSENBERG: I am, and I write about this in one of the chapters in terms of how many Muslims. According to research done by the Pew Foundation, for example, 15% of Muslims in the U.K. believe suicide bombings against civilian targets are sometimes or often justified. 15%. 16% of Muslims in France believe suicide bombings against civilians are justified.
GLENN: Let me go here, Joel, I saw this story, this stat reported the other day. In England one out of seven say it's okay to beat your wife if she's wearing something too sexy. Where's that one coming from?
ROSENBERG: Well, try this one. Again we cite this in the book from Pew Research. 5% of Muslims in America admit that they have a favorable view of Al-Qaeda. Now, what's interesting is almost 30%, 27%, 27% refused to answer the question whether they have a favorable view of Al-Qaeda. Now, we're talking about roughly 2 1/2 million Muslims in the country, 2.3 roughly. So we're talking about if you look at these specific numbers and in terms of suicide bombings, you are talking about 9% refuse to answer the question of whether they support suicide bombings against civilian targets. 13% said they believe suicide bombings are sometimes, often justified. Now, to put that in real numbers, 23,500 Muslims in America believe suicide bombings against civilians are justified, and 164,000-plus -- I'm sorry, 211,000-plus Muslim Americans refuse to answer the question. Now, the vast majority of Muslims in the U.S. and Britain aren't radical but that's not the question. The question is how many radicals are there and how serious a threat to they pose. And that's what I'm trying to do in this book is take people inside the thinking, what they're saying, what they're teaching, what they believe and how far they are willing to go to get it.
GLENN: Okay. Here's a question, Joel. I want to stray off the path just a little bit from the Muslim extremists and flip it around. I think there are anti-God forces as well that are aligning themselves with -- I mean, you're seeing it over in Europe. When you are such a coward and you can't say, "Excuse me?" That's hate speech without being shut down. And you are argue people who are speaking out against it, that's not about freedom of speech. That is kowtowing to a special interest. And there is also, there are forces from the left that want to destroy religion as we understand it in the West, and these forces are getting stronger and stronger. Am I wrong or am I right? Please tell me I'm wrong.
ROSENBERG: Glenn, unfortunately you are right. And this is a battle of ideas. This is literally a war of ideas, and the left has been saying for a long time that religion is bad but now they seem to have discovered that one religion is fine. Radical Islam in the view of the left, not so bad. People who believe in Jesus, that's the problem. And so this is becoming a huge divide. At least if the left were consistent, then that would be a useful marker, you know, that all religion is bad. About you that's not actually what they think. They are protecting the hate speech and the actions around them.
GLENN: But they are consistent. They are consistent in this way, Joel. They are consistent in the way of not really standing for any real principle. They are only standing for the principle of their power. And help me out on this. Try this thought line out. Just as -- and the premise is that kind of thinking will destroy them in the end because of this. What we've done is we have shut up the silent majority of America that wants to mean what they say and mean what they say and without any hate or malice toward anyone, just say the truth. These people are haters. These people hate the way we live and want to destroy our way of life. These people are teaching their children what God wants you to blow yourself up so you can get virgins. That's an abomination and a perversion of anything that could possibly ever come from God. That is the truth. But because we have just said, well, you know what, we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, we don't want to do anything, what's happened is we have given all of this power to the left and the left is like, oh, yeah, yeah, just keep quiet, just keep quiet, and we're losing our religion. We're losing our way of life. As they coopt the extremists, what they don't understand is you can't coexist. It's like us coexisting with the extreme left. You can't coexist because they want to destroy you. They don't want coexistence. The same thing: The extreme left gets in bed with these crazy radical Islamicists. They are going to lose in the end because the Islamicists want to kill everyone including Hollywood and the left.
ROSENBERG: So many Americans don't believe that. I was just in the last -- just in the first couple of days of this particular book tour, I'm getting people on shows, one particular one I'm thinking of who was saying, "Oh, come on, Joel, you are completely distorting the views of people like President Ahmadinejad in Iran. They've never said they want to annihilate America. They've never said that they want to destroy the United States and Israel. That's all being misconstrued." And, of course, I quote them directly and it's all backed up. But the point is the left doesn't want to hear it and they really think we who are trying to defend our Constitution and our culture and our, at least our freedom to believe what we want to believe and share what we want to share with our friends and neighbors, it's up to them whether they want to agree with us, the left doesn't even want to hear it and it's interesting, just again in the first 48 hours of this tour how this inside the revolution discussion even, discussion about what the radical Muslims really want in their own words from their books, from their websites, from their speeches. That infuriates the left. They don't even want to hear it. They don't believe it. They just believe that we are the enemy.
GLENN: Tonight you are going to be on television with me. Would you bring some of the actual quotes with you? Let's get some of the quotes, from their own websites, from their own things about us and what they are really trying to accomplish.
GLENN: We have the video now that somebody took. It wasn't a TV camera. I mean, how much time do you spend over in England, Joel?
ROSENBERG: No, I spend time in more radical Muslim countries than that one but I guess I need to spend more time there.
GLENN: But over in Europe you spend enough time.
ROSENBERG: No, it's a problem. It's a very big problem.
GLENN: They have kowtowed for so long, they are on the verge of losing their country. Do you know -- I mean, this amazes me. We played this on television because I said this in a meeting and everybody said, no, that's not true. And I said, go look for it but if it's true, put it on television. But I'm telling you I read it in the New York Times in a little blurb. They always have a Christmas message over in England. Do you know who delivered the other Christmas message? Now they have to have a point/counterpoint message. The queen delivers the Christmas message. Do you know who delivered the other side for the queen this year?
ROSENBERG: I'm guessing an Imam but I did not see it myself.
GLENN: No, sir. Think again. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
ROSENBERG: Oh, my gosh. Wow.
GLENN: He followed the queen to present the other side for the Christmas message!
GLENN: I mean, that's how crazy Europe and England has become.
ROSENBERG: Now, get this one, Glenn. This just in the last couple of days. You know, as I'm making the case in this book, Ahmadinejad is bringing Iran and the world to the most dangerous moment in the Islamic revolution. We're 30 years into the Islamic revolution now. But this is the most dangerous moment and you and I have talked about why. But what's interesting is to me is that just this past weekend the moderate Muslim country of Morocco whom I spend two chapters on in this book -- these are good guys -- they have just severed all diplomatic ties with Iran because Iran has gone over the edge in their belligerence, the radicalism. And yet the United States, under President Obama, has decided to engage the radical belligerent, you know, "We're bringing about the end of the world" leadership. How is Morocco more sane on this issue than our own government?
GLENN: You know, let me tell you something, because they don't understand it. They are living in a place of denial on this. Let me ask you this: How do you sit down and negotiate and have open talks with somebody who says I'll have open talks at the table. When you --
ROSENBERG: Give up your Satanic ways?
GLENN: Give up your Satanic ways.
ROSENBERG: Yeah, that's a hard negotiating position for Secretary Clinton -- how do you look someone in the eye and say, list me the Satanic ways so we could work on this. I mean, you know, how do you --
GLENN: Right. They don't believe -- because the people on our side don't believe in Satan. They don't believe in God. So they don't think that people actually mean those things. You know, they have such disregard for religion that they think, "Oh, he's just saying. He doesn't mean really Satanic ways. That's just bluster." He means it!
ROSENBERG: You know what's interesting in the heart of it, I totally agree with you, Glenn. One of the things I found over the last couple of years of crisscrossing the Islamic world is as you just alluded to with Morocco, because Moroccans are Muslim, they do understand.
GLENN: I know.
ROSENBERG: They are living inside the region and they understand it. What we're finding is mass defect shun by the millions, really by the tens of millions of Muslims from Islam.
Now, some of them, many millions, are becoming followers of Jesus Christ. Not all, and I wouldn't even say most. But it's extraordinary the soul-searching that's going on inside the Muslim world as Muslims are watching radicals kill other Muslims and saying, if that's it, if that's what it means to be a pure Muslim, I'm out. I can't do this anymore.
GLENN: Joel, I tell you, there's soul-searching going on in the entire world. I really truly believe that an enlightened period is coming. A great, great vast darkness but also a great miraculous enlightened period is coming as well because sides are being chosen.
GLENN: And there is no middle ground. You are either going to be engaged with darkness or with light, and I think people are starting to feel that and they're starting to say, you know, they're starting to feel callings on, "Well, wait a minute." And those who don't -- those who dismiss it, those who don't root themselves in the truth I think are going to be in very, very deep trouble. I just, maybe this is me.
ROSENBERG: I'm with you on that. And I tell you, you know, there's a guy I need to introduce you to, literally, physically introduce you to. He is the Glenn Beck of the revivalists. He is an Egyptian Coptic priest named Father Zakaria Botros. I profile him inside this book in the revolution. And he reaches 50 million Muslims a day. They are watching him now by satellite television in the Muslim world. Because he's taking on Islam verse by verse, chapter by chapter, hadith by hadith and he's deconstructing it. Then because he's a believer in Jesus, he explains now this is the truth. Now, people call in to his show and they're furious.
GLENN: Okay. Joel, I'm sorry to cut you off. I have a network break but I have to tell you we'll talk more about this tonight on television.