Glenn Beck: Former HHS Secretary Mike Leavitt


Governor Mike Leavitt

GLENN: Governor Mike Leavitt is with us. He's the former HHS secretary under George W. Bush, Health and Human Services secretary Mike Leavitt. Mike, how are you, sir?

LEAVITT: Hello, Glenn.

GLENN: It is good to have you on. I just, I wanted to ask you a few questions and then if you don't mind, if somebody else wanted to ask some questions, if some of the members of the audience would like to ask some questions on, you know, what are your thoughts on the swine flu, what should we be doing, et cetera, et cetera, do you mind taking calls from the audience?

LEAVITT: Not a bit. I'd be very pleased to.

GLENN: Okay. So if you have any swine flu questions or anything that's going on, please call now. Okay. So Secretary, you were there at Department of Health and Human Services when we were going through the bird flu preparatory stage, right?

LEAVITT: Yes, I was there through that phase and through the planning we did over the next three years.

GLENN: Okay. Are we acting in a consistent manner with this swine flu scare?

LEAVITT: Glenn, these are scary propositions. It's hard to talk about them because anything you say in advance of their happening sounds like you are being alarmist. The problem is once they start to unfold, anything you've done is inadequate. And so you have to find that balance between helping people prepare but not giving them panic, informing them but not inflaming them, and that's a hard balance to find sometimes. But these are serious deals. And we've had three of them in the last 100 years. We've had ten of them in the last 300 years. There's really no reason to think the next century's going to be different than the last. We do need to be prepared and we need to take them seriously.

GLENN: What I'm asking you, Mr. Secretary, I have wrestled with this over the weekend exactly what you just said. I'm a guy who, I just believe in be prepared. You should just be prepared. You should have some food at home, you should have some water at home, you should have, you know, a small amount of cash at home in case something would happen. You should just always be prepared. And you learn this, especially if you live in New York City. However, everybody always wants to take that and turn it into, oh, fear monger and Chicken Little and everything else. So I get it. But what I believe is I believe in pandemic. I don't know if this is the pandemic. This might turn out to be nothing, and I hope it does. But I don't understand how we can declare a state of an emergency to be able to move the medicine around to get things going, how we can be so worried about it, go from 20 cases to 50 cases overnight and yet not even check people at the border.

LEAVITT: What you're saying is a logical conclusion to draw. I would tell you that I've spent a fair amount of time myself involved in this conversation, and a lot of studies have gone into it. The dilemma is that if you begin to rely on a border closure strategy or even a heavy screening, when you think of the fact that there are 400 different places where people can enter legally and then an infinite number illegally and when you consider the fact that many times the symptoms of this don't show up until two or three days after people are able to spread the disease, this is the kind of thing where border strategies don't really produce much value. And I know that seems counterintuitive and we do have the capacity to be at the borders to screen, to quarantine if necessary. The issue is, is it the best thing to do, do we create more panic than we do value, are we really going to be able to keep this from spreading, and the conclusion I think of a lot of folks who have looked at this over a long period of time is when this starts to happen, you are better it's like a forest fire. You try to contain it at its source but once it starts, then the better strategy is to try to keep people away from it and to try to keep assets from being mowed down by it.

GLENN: Okay. But I mean, somebody in that meeting, when you were sitting there and they said, you know, it's better just to not do anything at the border, somebody had to say, well, wait a minute, then what you are suggesting is don't do anything with the border? We shouldn't have people at the airport doing some sort of screening? And what was the response to that?

LEAVITT: You are right. That conversation exactly took place over and over again, and the conclusion wasn't we ought not to do nothing. But just start walking through the logistics suddenly of saying we're going to screen everyone who comes from a different country. Do we treat Americans different than we do non Americans? You got a lot of people coming in and out of the country who may have been in Mexico on vacation or on business. When they come to you, open up a hanger, do you put a gymnasium? How long do you keep them? And are we really going to do any good? And the conclusion was that we have lots of things we've got to do to help people prepare. If the best use of our resources, to do something that may look and make people feel better but isn't really going to have an impact.

GLENN: Okay.

LEAVITT: And I hear what you're saying and I understand the optics of it, but reality is it isn't a very effective strategy.

GLENN: Okay. Help me out with why it looks like it's being contained here or at least people are getting, you know, well here and not in Mexico. Is it just that we have superior access to doctors? What is it?

LEAVITT: That's a $64,000 question right now. Scientists are trying to figure that out. The best I understand, the virus is the same in Mexico as it is here. I think there are several possible explanations that epidemiologists are going to have to get to the bottom of. One may be that reporting is not perfect coming out of Mexico. It may be that there's some kind of other factor. It may be that it will have momentum as it starts passing from person to person. That would not be a good scenario. I don't know the answer to that. I don't think anyone does yet, but it's that's again part of the dilemma here is we've got to do our best to come up with solutions but not panic people but get people prepared to do the kinds of things I think the point they need to, I think you made a good point. At this point we do need to begin to recognize that we can just move forward and stay informed but we don't need to alter what we're doing day to day at this point.

GLENN: What should we be doing?

LEAVITT: We should be paying attention, and we ought to be doing the things that we should have been doing two months ago. You've stated them. It's a good thing for people to be prepared for an emergency, whether it's a pandemic or a severe storm in the winter.

GLENN: A flood.

LEAVITT: Or some kind of terrorism event. It's just basic preparedness. Have a little food in your house, make certain you've got some money, make certain you've got a supply of your medications. Those are basic preparedness that apply to a pandemic or anything else.

GLENN: There's two scenarios here that I and you don't have to give me the answer. Just tell me that you guys at least thought this through when you were secretary of HHS. One, what happens in a real pandemic? I don't think this is it but I mean, if you would even have a 1918 situation again where you have to say, "I'm sorry, you've got to stay in your house." What happens when a third of the nation is sick? How does that, how does this country or this economy or anything continue to move? For how long does that last?

LEAVITT: Well, those are exactly the questions that we spent many, many months studying and preparing, and the bottom line is everyone has to have a plan, not just the federal government. If people, if states and local communities and families and businesses fail to prepare because they think somehow the federal government's going to come to the rescue, they are going to be sadly mistaken and disappointed because it's not a matter of a lack of will or a lack of a wallet. It's a lack of it's just there's just no way.

GLENN: People.

LEAVITT: It can happen because a pandemic is different than any other kind of emergency. First of all, it happens everywhere at once. When we have hurricanes, we can bring teams from Arizona or New Jersey or the State of Washington into the Gulf Coast and help them. But in a pandemic it's happening everywhere at the same time.

GLENN: Right. The difference between an epidemic and a pandemic is epidemic is localized. Pandemic means it's global.

LEAVITT: That's right, happening everywhere at once. And the second thing is it's an endurance test. It's not just, when you have a disaster like a hurricane or even a nuclear event, there's a terrible destruction, there's a period of confusion and then we move into recovery. With a pandemic, it's six months or a year, sometimes 18 months. Sometimes it comes in waves. And so we then have to begin to operate with whatever state of normality we can while protecting ourselves, our families and our businesses. So every business ought to be thinking how would we function if 30 or 40% of our workforce couldn't come to work. If you're a principal in the school, you need to begin to ask yourself the question: At what point in time do we have school and when don't we.

Now, the federal government's role should be to provide people with information but at the heart of preparation of a pandemic is state and local governments, individual businesses, churches, schools, families thinking through how they would deal with child care issues, et cetera, in such a situation.

GLENN: You know, it's weird because it's the exact opposite direction our government is pushing us. Our government is teaching us, rely on us, rely on us, rely on us. And you are giving the exact opposite advice now. In a pandemic, don't rely on the government is what I've been saying now. I said this yesterday as well. You can't. It's just not going to happen. It's going to be Katrina. And you've got to rely on yourself and your neighbors. Well, have you guys thought through when you were secretary of Health and Human Services, did you guys think through, for instance, the Mexico scenario? If it gets much worse in Mexico, I just imagine that you're going to have especially if people don't see us getting sick, they will think, oh, it must be better medicine or whatever; I've got to get out of Mexico, and a flood of people coming over this border. Did we think that through?

LEAVITT: Actually, Glenn, again you are very perceptive. We did. We spent a lot of time. In fact, we even began to hold exercises with the Mexican government to say, how do we deal on the border if this kind of thing occurs. Now, the fact that we have a plan, the fact that we've exercised it doesn't mean it's any less of a problem. But frankly the Mexican government is responding right now in a way that I think is significantly better than it would have been three years ago, but the minister of health there, secretary of health there I'm well acquainted with because we went through pandemic exercises together, we talked about this. It even got to the heads of state. We have a relationship where once every year the presidents of Mexico, the United States and Canada all get together. This was on the agenda and discussed. These have been talked about, but it doesn't make it any less of a problem.

The Senate Judiciary Committee was set to vote on subpoenas to compel Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg to testify on alleged censorship and bias across their platforms. But that all changed when Republican committee members "expressed reservation about the maneuver," Politico reports.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who chairs Judiciary's Subcommittee on the Constitution, was definitely not one of the committee members with cold feet. On the radio program Tuesday, he told Glenn Beck that he's fighting "vociferously" to ensure Dorsey and others testify before the November 3rd election.

"Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg are both going to testify. They're are going to testify in person. They're going to testify before Election Day. That's what I think should happen," Cruz said. "That's what I'm fighting vociferously to happen. Right now, the companies are negotiating with the chairman's office to discuss terms to come voluntarily. I don't give a damn whether they come voluntarily or under subpoena. They need to testify in person and answer questions for the American people about why they are trying to steal this election, to suppress the free speech, and to censor the press."

The subpoenas would require Big Tech leaders to testify on the alleged "suppression and/or censorship" of two consecutive blockbuster stories from the New York Post. The first story was about emails that allegedly came from Hunter Biden's computer which are currently being investigated by the FBI, and the second was based on additional emails that allegedly showed communist China directly offering millions of dollars to then-Vice President Joe Biden.

"Big Tech stepped in, and they've done something they've never done before," Cruz explained. "We know that Big Tech has been censoring individual conservatives, trying to suppress conservative speech. But the step they took here is, they blocked if any individual user tried to share either of the New York Post stories, [they] were blocked ... Sharing a news story, from a major media outlet is part of democracy, part of free speech. And not only that, they blocked the New York Post itself. Right now, today, the New York Post is not being allowed to post its own damn stories on corruption. This is ridiculous. It's a threshold that's never been crossed before, of Silicon Valley oligarchs declaring the authority to determine what the press is allowed to report, and who is allowed to see it."

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If we learned nothing from the media over the past 4 years it's that colluding with a foreign entity to either win an election or for personal gain is absolutely grotesque. Well, that depends on whether you have a (D) or (R) before your name anyway. President Trump was impeached on rumor and innuendo yet Joe Biden has all but skated on his corruption up to this point.

Below is a timeline that shows the level of corruption and the lengths the Biden's went to in order to build that family's wealth and influence internationally.

2009

In 2009, Joe Biden was the brand-new Vice President and John Kerry was a U.S. Senator. Just five months after Joe was sworn in, his son Hunter, and Kerry's stepson, Christopher Heinz, formed an international private equity firm called Rosemont Capital. It had several different branches, including one called Rosemont Seneca Partners.

2010

Just nine months after Rosemont Seneca opened its doors, Hunter Biden went to China for meetings with executives from China's biggest banks, and its sovereign wealth and social security funds. That's unheard-of access for a brand-new firm. Was it just coincidence that at the same time Hunter was meeting these Chinese bigwigs, his dad was meeting with China's then-president Hu Jintao in Washington DC at a nuclear security summit?

2011

In May 2011, Joe Biden met with Chinese officials for the U.S.-China Strategic & Economic Dialogue conference in Washington. Just two weeks later, Hunter Biden went to Taiwan for meetings with the same Chinese financial giants he'd met in China in 2010, plus some new ones.

2013

By December 2013, Joe Biden was enjoying his second term as VP, and John Kerry was now Secretary of State. That's when Joe traveled to Beijing on an extended official trip and Hunter traveled with him on Air Force Two.

During their stay, Vice President Biden met with President Xi and Hunter was mostly out of sight. We don't know exactly what he was up to, but the deal finalized between Rosemont Seneca and the Bank of China just ten days after the Bidens' trip pretty much gives it away. The most powerful financial institution in China formed a joint venture with tiny Rosemont Seneca to create a giant new investment firm called Bohai Harvest RST – the "RS" stands for Rosemont Seneca.

The firm is often called "BHR" for short.

Hunter Biden was a member of the Board. Remember, the Bank of China is government-owned, which means its business is completely intertwined with the goals of the Chinese Communist Party. BHR also got the freedom to operate in the newly created Shanghai Free-Trade Zone where, over the next six years, it would use $2.5 billion of Chinese government money to invest in China, as well as in other countries, including the U.S.

During their Beijing trip, Hunter also introduced Jonathan Li to his dad. Li is Hunter's business partner – he's CEO and Director of BHR.

Hunter arranged for Joe to meet Li in the lobby of the hotel where they stayed during their Beijing trip.

2014

In 2014, one of BHR's first major investments was in the China General Nuclear Power Corporation.

CGN is a Chinese government-owned nuclear power company that sold off a stake of the company to outside investors. Problem is, CGN was under FBI investigation for paying informants in the U.S. to steal nuclear secrets.

In 2016, the FBI arrested the ringleader of this nuclear espionage, a man named Allen Ho.

When they arrested Ho, he was using a random code generator to access funds being provided to him from – where else? – the Bank of China.

Yet while this FBI probe was going on, the son of the Vice President owned a stake in the company being investigated. And even after arrests were made, Rosemont Seneca did not alter its relationship with BHR, nor did it divest from CGN, even though it was stealing U.S. nuclear secrets.

2015

In 2015, BHR partnered with the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) to buy an American company called Henniges for $600 million.

AVIC is a gigantic military contractor in China – think Lockheed Martin – that makes fighter jets, bombers and drones. BHR bought 49% of Henniges and AVIC bought 51%.

Henniges is a precision parts manufacturer specializing in anti-vibration technology. The stuff they make is known as "dual use" by the U.S. State Department, which means the technology can also have a military application.

Because of that, the deal had to be approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S. (CFIUS) since it could have national security implications. The thing is, the American side of BHR – meaning Hunter Biden and his pals – had to know there were serious national security implications with AVIC.

The year before they formed a partnership with AVIC, the Wall Street Journal reported how AVIC stole technology related to the U.S. Air Force's F-35 stealth fighter and used it in its own stealth fighter for the Chinese.

How the Committee on Foreign Investment approved that deal remains a mystery. CFIUS does not publicly disclose any information regarding its decisions. Their findings are not publicly announced.

Interesting that China accounted for the largest share – with 74 transactions – approved by CFIUS during Obama's second term (2013-2015).

Under the umbrella of Rosemont Capital was a real estate company called Rosemont Realty. In 2015, a Chinese company called Gemini Investments bought a 75% stake in Rosemont Realty. The company was renamed Gemini Rosemont

Gemini brought $3 billion to the partnership with Rosemont, with the aim of buying "Class A institutional-quality commercial office properties in U.S. markets."

Red flag (literally) – Gemini Investments is a subsidiary of the China Ocean Shipping Company, a.k.a., "COSCO."

COSCO is a Chinese government-owned company. Its headquarters in Beijing is actually next to the headquarters of the Bank of China. COSCO is well-known for its close military ties. It's essentially a branch of the Chinese Navy.

2017

In 2017, BHR invested in Face++. That's the facial recognition phone app built by a Chinese company that is incorporated in a separate app built by the Chinese government. Police in the Xinjiang [Sin-jong] region of China use that app to keep tabs on citizens, and track and detain Uiguhr [Wee-ger] Muslims.

The app allows police easy access to data about Chinese Muslims including things like religious activity, blood type, and even the amount of electricity they use.

2018

In March 2018, a spokesman (Chris Bastardi) for Christopher Heinz (John Kerry's stepson) emailed The Hill to say that Heinz had "no operating role" in Rosemont Seneca, and that he was not involved in any of Rosemont's deals in China (which contradicts Schweizer's report in his book Secret Empires).

Chris Heinz was involved in Rosemont Capital. Rosemont Seneca was established under the same GP as Rosemont Capital, but Chris Heinz had no operating role in it. Chris and his family have no financial interest or investment in Bohai Harvest RST, he has never traveled to China, and he has never met with the firm's Chinese management team or investors.

2019

In October 2019, Hunter Biden's lawyer, George Mesires, said Hunter did not conduct any business on that 2013 trip to Beijing with his Dad.

Mesires said the timing of BHR's business license getting approved was purely coincidental because the paperwork had been submitted months before the Bidens' China trip.

According to Hunter's lawyer, the approval " was not related in any way, shape or form to Hunter's visit."

Hunter Biden finally stepped down from the BHR board last October (2019), but he DID NOT give up his 10% stake in the company.

When Bevan Cooney — the former "junior" business partner to Hunter Biden and Devon Archer — went to jail in 2019, investigative reporter and New York Times bestselling author Peter Schweizer thought he'd never gain access to the damning emails Cooney had promised. That all changed three weeks ago when Schweizer was given complete access to Cooney's gmail account.

Schweizer joined Glenn Beck on the radio program Tuesday to describe just some of the business deals revealed within these emails — like Hunter working with an alleged Russian criminal and with Chinese communists to secure their assets, or to secure one-on-one time with his dad, then-Vice President Joe Biden. And all of this new information is completely separate from the emails allegedly discovered on Hunter Biden's laptop recently reported by the New York Post.

"So, I want to make this clear. This [Cooney's emails] has nothing to do with what's on the laptop … It didn't come from [Rudy] Giuliani. It didn't come from anybody else, right?" Glenn asked Schweizer.

"That's absolutely correct," Schweizer confirmed.

He briefly explained how Cooney, a former Los Angeles nightclub owner, is currently serving a prison sentence for his involvement in a fraudulent business bond scheme with Biden and Archer. From prison, Cooney gave Schweizer written permission to access his Gmail account.

"This is really important," he noted. "We're not looking at printouts. Not looking at PDFs. We're actually in his Gmail accounts themselves, sifting through these emails. And there's a shocking amount of information about deals involving China, involving Russia, involving all sorts of things they were trying to pull off."

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The king of "No Spin" and bestselling author of "Killing Crazy Horse," Bill O'Reilly joined Glenn Beck on this week's podcast to talk about the latest developments in Joe Biden's Ukraine and China corruption scandal. Now that some of the details are finally coming out in the open, does the average Democrat care? Maybe, but the Left doesn't seem to.

O'Reilly argued there's more hatred for President Donald Trump now than in 2016, and that some people hate President Trump so much that they'd rather vote for the "senile, corrupt" Joe Biden.

"Hunter got tens of millions of dollars from Ukraine, from Russia, from China because his father was vice president. I have no doubt in my mind," O'Reilly said. "But the hatred for Donald Trump overrides that in the minds of millions of viewers. They're saying, 'You know, we'd rather have the senile corrupt guy than Trump.'"

Asked by Glenn if any other Republican running for president would be met with the same level of vitriol, O'Reilly answered, "The Left is the Left. They don't like America. The want to redo the Constitution. They want to take some of our freedoms, like the Second Amendment and the First Amendment, and change them. And they want to destroy capitalism and replace it with a big centralized government in Washington that controls the economy … but I'm talking about the folks. I have liberal friends and I say to them, 'Do you not understand that when you vote for Biden, you're voting against your own self interest?'"

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