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GLENN: I'm so glad that you've tuned in today because we can try to make sense of this incredibly crazy world that we live in called America. I mean, you know, I've always said it's like a wormhole opened up and somehow or another I slipped into a parallel universe that kind of looks like my America but it's not. I've always said that because there's always been like one story out there. We slipped into another kind of wormhole where this doesn't look anything like my America except maybe this one thing. Like I believe this building was here yesterday, but that's about it. Everything is being flipped upside down. We have been screaming, "Get the troops out of Iraq! Get the troops out of Iraq!" Now, have you heard anybody really talking about the troops leaving Iraq? Why is that? Is it because nobody wants to declare victory? Or is it because nobody's sure it is victory, we're maybe moving out to fast? Or is it that maybe the people in the administration and congress and the elite media know that if we make a big deal out of it, it will make things worse. We make it we announce a time that we're leaving and it makes things worse. I don't know. In my America we would have announced it. It would have made a big deal out of it. They were having fireworks last night; we probably would have known about that. But in this America we're showing pictures of Michael Jackson's big mansion, where it wasn't even his. It's just where he died and where the doctor who moved him off the floor and onto the bed and tried to give him CPR on the bed, who's a cardiologist but yet not a cardiologist. Whatever. I hope they are not paying him in that inflated money to the Fed which we're about to give more control to.
Anyway, Brad Thor has a new book out. I started reading it last night. It is called The Apostle. I read about 60 pages last night, Brad. Fantastic, as your books always are. But I wanted to bring you in because I wanted to talk a little bit about what's happening over in Iraq. What do you think this means?
THOR: Well, you know, it's interesting because I was talking before I came in. This doesn't make any sense. Everything that they are saying now, "Oh, wait a second, maybe we shouldn't rush out, maybe we need to just slow down because the terrorists are going to step in and fill the "how long have we been talking about this? And how long does it take to train a soldier in America? We do it in a matter of weeks. Yet the Iraqis can't do it in a matter of years?
GLENN: That's the thing. I was just talking about this. The president also said, hey, the government, we can't sit around here and hold their hands forever; they have got to learn to stand on their own two feet. But yet we're not expecting that of the American people here. We're not expecting that of CitiBank. We're not expecting that of any of these companies. We're not expecting that of GM or anything. We're not saying there's no end game. There's no end game, yet there has to be one, quickly, in Iraq. You know, Brad, let me ask you this: How tired are you of asking yourself or your friends this one question. This doesn't make any sense to me. Does it to you? How tired are you asking that question?
THOR: I keep expecting that I'm going to wake up. I keep thinking one day I'm going to wake up and things are going to make sense because this absolutely does not make sense. But I think more and more people are starting to ask that question. I think more and more people you know, I watched, last night I got home really late and I was watching the rerun of your show last night and I sat there and I thought, you know what, you now are the left has got to be terrified. This stuff that they are trying everything's a crisis. Everything they are trying to shove through under the crisis mode, and I think the success that you're having, I think people are starting to listen now. But where do people go now? What do we do? Is it 2010 now and we vote them all out? What's the alternative? What's the next step? And that for me because none of this makes sense. For me it's what's the next step? How do we start applying common sense again?
GLENN: We just start doing it and we just demand that others do it as well. We just you know, I was saying earlier today, where are the sit ins? You know, the hippies, the hippies did it and it was easy because they just kind of were like stoned and just like, "I'm sitting down here, man." You know, we all have jobs, but where are the sit ins? Where is the
THOR: Well, we have the tea parties.
GLENN: We have the tea parties.
THOR: That's a good beginning.
GLENN: But where is the civil civil unrest? Where are the people who are going to gently disobey the laws?
THOR: You know, I think there was an e mail I got where somebody was very concerned about the amount of money that was supposedly going to our embassies abroad, and I talked to a buddy of mine who works in the embassy in Baghdad and I said, is this true? Are you guys getting all this cash? I'm hearing this rumor; what's going on? You are supposedly cash is going to the embassies and they are being told, buy a year's worth of local currency and hoard local currency. And I said what's
GLENN: Hold it just a second. Please, dear God, tell me this isn't true.
THOR: You know what, my friend would not confirm, nor would he deny this. And I've had this come at me from a couple of people who have good contacts.
GLENN: Brad, what are you doing to me? You know that will keep me up now I'll be researching that. Joe? Find out. Get a statement. We still haven't even found out about we still don't have an answer on the guys with the embezzling. Is there anything new on the bonds?
THOR: With the bond guys, the Japanese.
GLENN: Well, we don't know if they're Japanese. Now they think they may be North Korean. That was the latest we heard. But nobody will confirm.
JOE: (Inaudible).
GLENN: Well, Filipinos working for the North Koreans I thought, right? Was that right? Yeah. You know, but you can't get an answer on anything.
THOR: No, you can't. So when I heard this thing, I thought, okay, what's going on. And I talked to a friend of mine at the embassy in Baghdad and he said, listen. He says, our currency is rapidly being devalued, he said, thanks to TARP and everything else that's going on. He said, why wouldn't they because apparently they pay, the embassy pays all their local people. All the Iraqis you've got working there, they don't write them checks. They pay them in cash. And I said, well, why would you want to have a year's supply of local currency on hand unless something was going to happen? And I talked to another friend of mine and he said, well, you remember that bank holiday that happened under FDR and you couldn't go to your bank and you couldn't I said, are you telling me that you think that is coming? That all of a sudden it's going to get so bad that they are going to close banks and they are going to tell me how much I can pull out of my account? And I said that's a little far, that's a little far out. And I haven't seen enough to say.
GLENN: You know, I said, what, last fall, I said by spring of this year, by spring people will start to understand what's coming our way. And by Christmas of this coming year everyone will pretty much know what's coming our way. It is amazing to me. Stu and I just remembered that, what, just a couple of days ago? Stu, we were talking about it and I said, oh, my gosh. We were talking about how people are waking up and the sales of Common Sense are through the roof.
THOR: Yep.
GLENN: Through the roof. It's crazy what has happened in the last couple of weeks, and it's because people are waking up. People, they don't know yet. They don't know exactly what's going on. They don't know exactly what's happening, but they know something's not right and they are waking up. The second part of that was by Christmas everyone will know. And I have to tell you, I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means.
THOR: Here, my thing is and I get it. You know, in the preamble to Common Sense, your book, and we talk about a second revolution, not an armed revolution and all this kind of stuff, but I've got to tell you I'm angry. I am extremely angry. The more I study this, the more I study the progressive paradigm, I understand that constitutional democracy and socialism, there's only so much air in the room. And for one to get bigger, you have to diminish the power of the other one. It is impossible to have a system of government that promotes social equality and social justice and also defends individual liberties.
GLENN: Can't do it.
THOR: You cannot do it. And they are stealing those liberties. They are wearing them away.
GLENN: And you know what they are doing, again we were talking about this earlier today. They are wearing down the average person, and this is I have never in the last Stu said to me earlier today off the air, he said, I don't think I've ever seen you this pessimistic and, you know, I'm generally a pessimistic guy here recently on stuff. He said, I don't think I've seen you that pessimistic. And I said, misreading. It's a misreading of me. I've actually never been I haven't been in a long time this optimistic that people are waking up, and there is going to the Constitution will survive.
THOR: Yes.
GLENN: But I just am getting I'm more and more sober every day on what it's going to take, the battle to keep it. It's going to be rough going.
THOR: Yes. There is going to be an incredible reckoning in this country, and I've said this and, you know, we talked about this a week or two ago when I was with you. When I look at Obama and I look at John McCain, I actually, I'm positive that Obama was a blessing in disguise.
GLENN: Yes.
THOR: John McCain would have bled us to death with paper cuts.
GLENN: Yeah.
THOR: Obama, I'd rather have somebody walk up to me on the street and start stabbing me with a steak knife so I can have the whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, and start defending myself as opposed to
GLENN: I don't think I would say whoa, whoa, whoa, as they are stabbing me. Yeah, I would just say, help! You know, I might say that.
STU: (Laughing).
GLENN: But you are a little more polite than I am, whoa, whoa, whoa, stop stabbing me with a steak knife. Whoa, whoa, is there a problem here, mister?
THOR: What was Theo Van Gogh's last words? Can't we just talk about this when the Muslim put the knife into him in Amsterdam?
GLENN: It was, wait, wait, we can talk about this.
THOR: We can talk about this.
GLENN: 25 stab wounds later, no, there's nothing really to talk about here, nothing really to talk about. So Brad, before we leave this subject, what is the what's coming next, do you think? See, I love asking fiction writers because this is what you guys do for a living. You war game things.
THOR: Yeah, and you try to beat the headlines.
GLENN: And if you look at your book, you look at really a lot of the best fiction writers, the action adventure fiction writers, it's like Tom Clancy. Remember Tom Clancy they thought he was a spy for the CIA. They thought he was a CIA plant trying to throw Russia off that he was war gaming. No, he was just war gaming for fiction. So what happens next?
THOR: Well, I'm worried about what we refer to as a strategic shock. Clinton first year in office, big terrorist attack with the World Trade Center. Bush, first year in office, 9/11. I'm very concerned that President Obama has incredibly weakened this country. So from an exterior standpoint, I'm worried about a terrorist attack on American soil before the end of the first year in office for Barack Obama. I'm very, very scared about that. That is something that I actually lose sleep over. I've got a lot of you know, I've got a lot of friends and colleagues in intelligence, in the law enforcement community and I've received more e mails from these guys saying, "Be careful the next 60 days, the next 180 days. I've just got a bad feeling." And I never got those the last eight years. I didn't get stuff, "Oh, I got a bad feeling." So there is something. I don't know if it's a zeitgeist or what's going on, but everybody seems to feel something is going to happen. Now, if that's an external strategic shock like the 9/11 thing, that's one thing. I'm so concerned again with this progressive agenda, I think when people do wake all the way up, I don't know that it's going to be that peaceful. I think when people get angry
GLENN: I don't think it is.
THOR: I don't think it's going to be that peaceful. And you know what, we've been peaceful to this point.
GLENN: But we have been peaceful and docile.
THOR: Yes.
GLENN: We need to be doing something. We need to be doing sit ins. We need to be marching in the streets. We need to have the Martin Luther Kings standing on the bridge saying, "Hose me down."
THOR: Yeah.
GLENN: "But I ain't going." That's the kind of thing that we need because if we don't, we're bottling this up and bottling this up and bottling this up. When you are exactly right, Brad. When America figures out what's been done, when they when the collective wakes up and says, "Wait a minute, what does this mean?" When the collective wakes up and they start to try to sell their houses and now you've got a new federal inspector coming in saying you've got to weather strip, you've got to change your heating, you've got to change all the light bulbs before you can sell the house, when those things start to kick in and I don't think it will be that far down the road when those things start to kick in, there is going to be real true anger. And so how do we diffuse it? How do we diffuse it and yet not diffuse it in a way that I mean, I don't think it should be diffused to pet everybody and say, no, no, just sit down. People need to stand up, but we need to make sure that we're saying that encouraging people, stand up. But for the love of Pete if you think it's bad now, if there's a Timothy McVeigh out there and he does something, I'm telling you this government, under this administration, will clamp you think you've lost rights? They will clamp down so hard, you will lose rights beyond your wildest imagination. They will do it. They will do it. Because they will say it's an emergency; we have to.
THOR: Right, it's an emergency.
