Vanished by Joseph Finder
GLENN: 888 727 BECK, 888 727 BECK. If you are looking for another great book for the summer, Vanished is coming out, what, Tuesday? Next Tuesday? Joseph Finder is the author and Joe is here in the studio with me and I just started reading it. In fact, Joe reminded me that I tweeted about it, what was it, about three weeks ago or something like that?
FINDER: Yeah. Yeah.
GLENN: And reading it, and I've only gotten into about the first third of it because I had so many other things that I was doing and I didn't want I'm saving it for vacation quite honestly. Really great opening. Really, really great opening.
FINDER: Thank you.
GLENN: And I like the idea that in the book there is a guy who is, I don't know, kind of a private CIA kind of guy almost. He's a private
FINDER: He's a private spy.
GLENN: Yeah, private spy. Do those exist?
FINDER: Yeah. This is what's really interesting. Since basically the late Nineties, the CIA got downsized under the Democratic administration. Suddenly 9/11 happened. CIA needed employees. So they basically hired these spies, rent a spies. And a lot of these guys are people who left the CIA. This he had to hire them back. Some of these people, that's guys like Nick Heller in my book, they do the same stuff they did for the CIA for more money but for foreign governments, for our government, for companies, for politicians. It's kind of an amazing phenomena.
GLENN: How do you go to hire one of those? How do you, are you like, I need a spy. Do you look that up in the Yellow Pages? How do you find one?
FINDER: These guys don't advertise. It's word of mouth.
GLENN: Is it kind of like because Blackwater is kind of, not a spy but I mean, it's a private army basically.
GLENN: And they are just like Blackwater. These guys are all being hung out to dry.
FINDER: Well, this is the biggest concern I have about this whole, this whole
GLENN: Hang on just, let me do a little better job of introducing you. This is Joe Finder. He is he was recruited by the CIA after graduating from Yale, major in Russian studies. Then he went on to Harvard. He wrote a book you wrote a book when you were 22 years old.
GLENN: And when you were 22, you wrote about Armand Hammer.
GLENN: And how Armand Hammer was a spy for the Russians
FINDER: Armand Hammer worked for the KGB.
GLENN: And you wrote a book.
GLENN: Now you're 22 years old.
FINDER: 24 by the time it's published.
GLENN: Threatens litigation, lawsuit, ends up buying all of the books, right? Then the Soviet Union falls years later and all of it's true.
FINDER: I am all proven right. That here we are one of the biggest quote/unquote capitalists, the head of Occidental Petroleum, worked for the KGB, and Hammer did his best to try to kill the story, try to kill the book. So it sold really well, but all the copies are gone. It's hard to get it.
FINDER: So yeah, I was doing and, you know, it's kind of crazy, Glenn. I went to Moscow to do investigative journalism on Hammer. I mean, I actually, when I look back on it now, I say, man, you were out of your mind. But I went down and I tracked down the guy who was his KGB, NKBD in those days, the older days, Handler. And I basically got this information out of him, and Hammer tried to kill him.
GLENN: And was this was the Handler still active?
FINDER: He was an old guy.
GLENN: How did you, I mean
FINDER: I speak Russian. I was fluent, I knew people and the thing is
GLENN: Weren't they doing to what's his name where they poisoned him with Polonium? Weren't they doing stuff? I mean
GLENN: Weren't they doing stuff like that then? They were killing people, weren't they?
FINDER: Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
GLENN: You weren't concerned that they would
FINDER: I shouldn't have done it. I was crazy. And I was warned. By the time the word got around that I was doing this investigating, investigative journalism, I got a call from a KGB guy saying, you know what, you better leave the country. And I said okay. Yeah, they were bad then, but
GLENN: They're bad again I bet.
FINDER: I'll tell you what's also interesting. You have talked about Litvinenko.
GLENN: Yeah, that's his name.
FINDER: The Russian spy in London. And, of course, no one knows what happened. He was poisoned, right?
GLENN: There's only two we either did it or they did it.
FINDER: Glenn, I have incredibly, incredibly strong sources on this. Putin ordered his assassination. That is
GLENN: Doesn't surprise me.
FINDER: Not a surprise to you.
GLENN: Doesn't surprise me at all.
FINDER: Not a surprise to me. But we know it. So that tells us
GLENN: Who knows it? The government knows it?
FINDER: The government, yes.
GLENN: Why aren't we saying anything?
FINDER: Here's what's interesting. Why are we
GLENN: Sending reset buttons, too.
FINDER: There are my feeling is you know, I'm a defender of the CIA.
FINDER: Totally. I always, I write about that because I think that what they do is super important. There are people in the government who are supporters of Putin. And please, I don't want to sound, you know, like red baiting or something. Because they
GLENN: Oh, no. Here, ready? You ready? You don't need to sound like a red baiter. You can say Van Jones, who is currently our green jobs czar, is a self proclaimed communist. He is currently advising the president of the United States. He is a self proclaimed. Not way, way, way back. A current self proclaimed communist.
FINDER: I don't know anything about that, but no, no, and I'm not getting into that. I don't know anything about that, but when Obama went to Moscow for the summit, he met with Medvedev, the head of state, the president, right? But he met with Putin, too. Now, what's that all about? That's
GLENN: Let me ask you this because nobody reported on this and it was driving me crazy. I was on vacation at the time.
GLENN: Drove me crazy. President Obama met with Putin and had a full hour, closed door meeting with him.
FINDER: Longer than he was planned, scheduled.
GLENN: Exactly right. And Putin, it was described by the White House as Putin giving Obama a history lesson on the Cold War.
FINDER: Right, right, right.
GLENN: I mean, what is that all about?
FINDER: No. Okay, here's what really happened. Obama was told by his advisors to meet with Putin because there are people in the government, including in our intelligence community, who believe that it's important to bolster Putin. They think and I believe it's wrong. They see him as the only way forward for kind of a Democratizing Russia. Obviously that's not true.
GLENN: You are not going to get democracy.
FINDER: No, no.
GLENN: Just like you'll never get communism here because Americans
GLENN: have freedom bred into them.
GLENN: For centuries Russians have had czars or whatever. They don't get it.
FINDER: You know what? They don't want democracy. Now, so Obama met with Putin. I think that was a mistake. You know, he's not the head of state but the reason was to sort of pay respect to the guy. I think that frankly Obama should have met with the nominal head of state.
FINDER: Who is granted a protege.
GLENN: Unbelievable, unbelievable. Okay
FINDER: I'm sorry.
GLENN: Just hang for a second because I want to talk to you a little bit about, you had an interesting conversation with someone who shall not be named, but I know the source and a respectable source.
GLENN: About some of the things that are going on now and some of the trouble headed our way. We'll do that here in just a second, and your phone call. The number's 888 727 BECK. And don't miss a second tonight at 5:00 on the Fox News Channel.
GLENN: 888 727 BECK, 888 727 BECK. We are with Joseph Finder. He is the author of vanished. It is a new book out, comes out Tuesday. I've only read about a third of it but I tell you there are two books that I've read this year that are going to be on my shelf for a very, very long time and I will read again years down the road after I've forgotten them or in my case about three weeks after I've read them. You know those kind of books that you keep. So far Vanished is one of those books. I don't know how it ends yet so I can't give you the full thing but I tell you the first third of it is just fantastic.
We were talking off the air and I was going to go some place else, but you are such an expert on Russia that I would rather go here. We were talking about a guy that you are not aware of that is, I think he's in the FSB which is their KGB now. He is an advisor to Putin. He said I believe in 1999 that he predicted that the United States would collapse and break apart into five separate regions. He was made fun of over the years by people he said this in global conferences. And his report has not been fully released because it's FSB. He has now made a resurgence in the last year over in Russia where people are now holding him up in the press over there as a, you know, Nostradamus that he saw this coming. The last article I read on this bothered me because it was very cryptic. I think it came out of England but it was very cryptic. It led me to believe that the things, he couldn't talk about any more of it because it led me to believe that there were assets here in America that were helping and, you know, I know a lot of people who are in our very black ops and we have talked about the situation in our country and they have actually, one of them has wept in my office and said, Glenn, this is when we would be there. These are the conditions.
GLENN: Of course they're here.
FINDER: Right, of course.
GLENN: Do you believe that?
FINDER: Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, there were sleeper agents, you know. We spy novelists like to write about. What happened to them when the Soviet Union collapsed, the guys who were here, were planted here, okay?
GLENN: Joe, I have this you know, something's been bothering me for a while, and I finally I think put the last piece of it together when I realized that the Soviet Union didn't collapse; it transformed.
FINDER: That's right. Exactly right.
GLENN: These people, they just changed uniforms and it's like being it's like Arlen Specter. Oh, he's a Democrat now. Really?
FINDER: Yeah, yeah.
GLENN: He was nothing.
GLENN: He was a panderer. It doesn't matter what label you put on him.
FINDER: Yeah. You know, I always thought that the Soviet Union actually wasn't communist. It wasn't like what Marx and Engels said. It was really kind of a, it was a dictatorship by a small bunch of people who
FINDER: Were thugs really, right? And they basically stole much of the economy. You know, it's not a true capitalism, all right?
GLENN: It's really, it's really, it was just Putin really seems to me to have resurrected all of the force and the nastiness of it. I mean not in the
FINDER: Yeah, yeah.
GLENN: biblical proportions that Stalin was. But it just has a newer package around it.
FINDER: There is look, I just saw a report from Israeli intelligence that I don't think has been covered that the FSB, you know, the old KGB has just helped Iran and Syria working with Hezbollah, the terrorist group in the Middle East to roll up an Israeli spy ring, a massive Israeli spy ring in Lebanon. This is documented. This is absolutely true. The FSB is working against our interests and against Israel in the Middle East.
GLENN: So why is our, why is our government working to cozy up to Russia and to cozy up to our supposed enemies in the Middle East? I mean, did you see who got a Presidential Medal of Freedom this week? Remember the woman that ran the big UN conference on racism that we walked out of a few years back, remember, and it was very anti Israel? Obama just gave her a medal of freedom this week.
FINDER: Oh, the Irish yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to say I told you before, yeah, I'm not happy with the Obama administration's policies.
GLENN: No, no. What I'm saying is we seem to be can you war game it a little bit for me? Why are we in bed does it make sense to you that we seem to be cozying up to the people who are not our friends?
FINDER: I can explain it to you, but I don't like it. The reason is there are people who think that if you basically are cooperative with them, give Putin what he wants that you will modify their behavior, make them sort of less antagonistic to us. There's a it's a long tradition about this. The truth is that it's never worked with a dictatorship or an authoritarian. It will not modify what Putin's doing or what they want, right? There are there is more spying going on today than in the Cold War. The Russians today are actually now more active. They have hackers, really skilled people trying to bring down our system.
GLENN: Do you believe, do you believe that there are people in our society now working for foreign governments that are agitators, intentional foreign government agitators to help bring us down or have us lose democracy and fall into some sort of other system of government?
FINDER: I don't think so. I don't know. That's what the Soviets used to call agents of influence. It is people who would work on their behalf, right? It didn't work all that well. What they really like is inside information to steal technology. That's the real danger. I think that what they're doing is they've got spies here, as we have spies over there.
FINDER: All right? Who are trying to in a sense weaken our defenses. I mean literally our defense system.
GLENN: Where do you see us in ten years?
FINDER: We forget that the Russians you know, we were concerned about Saddam Hussein developing a nuclear weapon.
FINDER: You know, the Russians got some nukes.
GLENN: I know.
FINDER: They have got thousands of nukes. And I think that it's an authoritarian state that's not going in the right direction, not going in a good direction, and I suspect that there is going to be a standoff again, a different sort of Cold War between the U.S. and Russia and perhaps China, too.
GLENN: I would love to spend some time talking to you some more. I am up against a break, but I'd love to have you, I'd love to have you back. Joseph Finder is the author. The book is Vanished. It will be in bookstores, it might even be in bookstores this weekend if you go out and look for it. It officially comes out on Tuesday. If the other third is as good as the first two thirds, this is a great summer read. It's called Vanished.