Scott Baker from Breitbart TV
GLENN: All right. So Scott, help me out on, we talked about Scott is from Breitbart TV. Help me out on exactly what you're looking at and take us through the path as easily as you can here.
BAKER: Absolutely. Let's go back to the beginning.
GLENN: Okay. We were looking
BAKER: In the beginning.
GLENN: And the reason we were starting this conversation is because of Van Jones. How did this guy get into office? How did Valerie Jarrett, she said she had been following. Is she a radical? Who is Valerie Jarrett in the White House?
GLENN: What is her connection to all of this?
BAKER: I think we all started to think is this guy just a goof ball, you know, but I really paid attention to the words that Charles Krauthammer said a week ago on Fox News. He said this Van Jones debacle is a reflection of the boss, and the boss' radical relationships over decades. And, you know, you say how did this guy become, using Krauthammer's words, perfectly mainstream to them. Because clearly, I mean, if you are out there and you're saying, you know, I believe Bush may have helped create 9/11, there are radicals.
GLENN: Right. But these guys, these guys don't think that they are I think they were shocked. What? He's fine. I mean, you see it from the lefty blogs and the Huffington Post. You see it from the Center of American Progress. They immediately embraced him like, come on, man, come in, the water's fine.
BAKER: I think Chuck Todd over at MSNBC last night said we didn't cover this because it really wasn't important. He was number 600 down the list of importance.
GLENN: Not true.
BAKER: And do you know why the New York Times didn't cover it?
GLENN: No, I didn't.
BAKER: They actually wrote about it in the paper why they didn't cover it. Do you know why?
GLENN: Oh, they were understaffed.
GLENN: Vacations, yeah.
BAKER: They were understaffed because of vacations.
BAKER: So when I
GLENN: Talk about understaffed, how about your staff and my staff?
GLENN: All of us, there's a few of us that are trying to carry the water for the entire media. But anyway.
BAKER: Anyway, you know, Liz and I are just two people at Breitbart TV, you know, we've done 22,000 hand selected video posts in two years that have done over 100 million hits.
GLENN: Have you really?
GLENN: Holy cow.
BAKER: Nothing automated. All, you know, hand done. So here, so this was
GLENN: Can't you get some like El Salvadorian underage children?
BAKER: Now that I know you can do that.
GLENN: I know. There's got to be some organization that can help you. Anyway, let's go on.
BAKER: Right. So anyway and it was research that I was doing but this was a lot, again, research from the people, right?
BAKER: Sending stuff to you, sending stuff to me. And we looked at Valerie Jarrett. I knew that she was an important figure. Kind of like one of those Karen Hughes/Karl Rove figures, close to the president but kind of I mean, we hear Karl a lot now.
BAKER: But you really didn't hear Karl interviewed while he was at the White House, right? Nor did you hear Karen Hughes. Their fingerprints were over all kinds of things. And so just using her kind of as a case study, we went back and said, I know that she was a lawyer and a businesswoman back in Chicago and had an interest in real estate development. And then you start to realize, well, that wasn't happenstance. She wasn't just, oh, I like buildings. Her grandfather was very important in Chicago housing. In fact, one of the big housing, public housing projects was named after him.
GLENN: Okay. So her grandfather was big into public housing.
BAKER: Yes, exactly. Now, her mother, Barbara Bowman, was very into education, a childhood education expert.
GLENN: Hang on. Listen to this carefully.
BAKER: And she
GLENN: Mom is an education expert.
BAKER: Right. And on all, you know, very progressive causes as you might expect.
GLENN: No, really. Housing, public housing king and education expert mate and have a child.
BAKER: Grandfather and then here's the mother, and she starts this group called the Erikson Institute and which is a childhood, you know, organization, childhood education organization. Now, any good public, you know, service organization needs a board, and so you look. And who was the chairman of the board of the Erikson Institute? Turns out that it was the CEO of Consolidated Edison, big executive kind of like the godfather of Chicago politics.
GLENN: Con Ed.
BAKER: Con Ed, a guy names Thomas Ayers and he was on a lot of boards
GLENN: Hold it, hold it, hold it. The mom who has this giant education idea.
GLENN: She has she starts a foundation run by, what was his name?
BAKER: Thomas Ayers was Thomas Ayers, yeah.
GLENN: Huh. Thomas Ayers. Did he have a child? Did he mate with anybody and have a child?
BAKER: You know, he did actually.
BAKER: Had two kids. One of them we don't know that much.
GLENN: Sure. Did any of the children go on to do anything explosive?
BAKER: Let me check. Bill maybe, Bill.
GLENN: Bill Ayers. Wow, okay.
BAKER: Bill was in there, too.
GLENN: Okay. So Valerie Jarrett's mother
GLENN: Starts an organization, and the chair of that is Bill Ayers. Wow.
PAT: Dad, right?
PAT: Bill Ayers' dad.
BAKER: Yeah, Bill Ayers' dad.
GLENN: Yeah, Bill Ayers' dad.
BAKER: In fact, I went to Wheaton College right outside of Chicago and it was right next to Glen Ellyn, Illinois which is right next to where Thomas Ayers grew up and I just kind of always had thought that Bill Ayers may have been the rebellious kid that ran away from the executive family.
GLENN: Hey, my dad is a big power broker; I want to blow up Pentagon.
BAKER: But dad knows
GLENN: Happens all the time.
BAKER: Yeah, right. In fact, while he is over trying to blow up the Pentagon, dad's running a nuclear reactor. No worries.
GLENN: Sure, sure.
BAKER: Turns out dad's a progressive, too. So the and Valerie Jarrett's father is interesting. James Bowman, a doctor who was working for the U.S. in a program in Iran. In fact, Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran and lived there for the first five years of her life.
GLENN: Hold it. Hold it. I'm sorry. What?
BAKER: Yeah. She was born in Shiraz, Iran, which is a great wine. I don't know
GLENN: I believe that's from Australia.
BAKER: Could be, right.
GLENN: I'm only an alcoholic. So what do I know.
BAKER: Look, we would need a separate show to deal with James Bowman.
GLENN: Sure. So wait, wait. Dad, doctor, washing for the government in Iran.
GLENN: She's born in Iran from the mom who is big in education and starts this charity.
BAKER: Or foundation.
GLENN: Foundation that is run by Bill Ayers' father. Got it, okay, okay.
BAKER: And you know what? They call Valerie Jarrett kind of Chicago royalty, right? So in our little construct we're making her the princess.
BAKER: And we're making Thomas Ayers, let's call him the king. He will be the king.
GLENN: Okay, hang on just a second. Before we I mean, there couldn't have been generations of extremists.
BAKER: That's it. This is all we found. We're done.
GLENN: Okay. Hang on. Somehow or another I feel he's lying. Coming up in just a second.
GLENN: From WLS in Chicago today, Charlie Gibson was on LS, and he was asked a question about why haven't you covered the ACORN workers caught on tape helping a woman get a house to set up a brothel. Gibson said, quote: I didn't know about the story. It's now been confirmed. Later in the interview Charlie Gibson from ABC, asked if he attended the rally in D.C. this weekend, Gibson said, I was, quote, sailing in Maine over the weekend, end quote.
PAT: Sailing takes me away, too, to where I was
GLENN: No, I believe that was Christopher Cross. It was a bad song from the 1980s but let's not go there.
Okay. So Scott Baker, we have Scott Baker with us. He is from Breitbart TV. Scott, you are trying to piece together this twisted story of how did Barack Obama become who he is. We now have Valerie Jarrett, best friend of Barack Obama, and Michelle Obama.
GLENN: Her mother is somebody who started a foundation all about education.
GLENN: It was run by William Ayers' father.
GLENN: William Ayers, is there any doubt in our mind that Valerie Jarrett and William Ayers know each other, or that Valerie Jarrett is completely clear on who William Ayers is and what he did?
BAKER: Here's something I haven't told you yet.
BAKER: Recently, like just a couple of years ago Valerie Jarrett's mother served on a board with Bernardine Dohrn. Now, that's another name I'm throwing into the mix here. Do you remember that one? Oh, that's Bill Ayers' wife.
GLENN: That's Bill Ayers' wife.
BAKER: Exactly. She, by the way, is a law professor at Northwestern even though she doesn't have a license to practice law. I don't know how you get that job except oh, wait a minute. Thomas Ayers was the chairman of the board of trustees at Northwestern University.
BAKER: All connected. Now, here. Let me take it one other step, right? Because you said how far back does it go. Well, what you find first of all, you know, Valerie Jarrett, that's her married name or her she later got divorced and her husband since died. But the Jarrett name came from, well, Vernon Jarrett. Vernon Jarrett's a legendary figure in Chicago, pioneering black journalist, and
GLENN: So he's a good guy.
BAKER: You know, he did he started the National Association of Black Journalists. But when you go way back.
GLENN: Way back.
BAKER: In the Forties when he was writing for the Chicago Defender and he was working with causes that, you know, clearly were if not dominated by active communists, very communist related causes. In fact, he served on committees to help the packing workers. And as we were looking at this and looking at saying, you know, he's writing at the Defender, he's working on this committee. Then we noticed another name there.
GLENN: Oh, boy.
BAKER: And this is where things really started to come together.
GLENN: Oh, boy.
BAKER: Because when you realize that also writing at the Defender, also serving on the committee for the packing workers, in fact on the same subcommittee, the publicity committee was chaired by Vernon Jarrett and one of the members was a guy named Frank Marshall Davis.
PAT: Not mentor Frank.
BAKER: Mentor Frank, yeah, exactly.
GLENN: Wait a minute. I thought he was in the Hawaii.
BAKER: Back when he was in Chicago, he was very active. He's a poet, a writer, a writer of erotic fiction, just a really varied guy.
GLENN: Yeah. Communist, too.
BAKER: Yeah, self admitted pedophile, a group sex fan, a lot of things.
GLENN: Self admitted pedophile?
BAKER: Yeah. And
GLENN: Self admit
PAT: He admitted that?
BAKER: He did. He wrote a book about it and said that the stories were fictionalized but were all based on real encounters that he had.
BAKER: So now he's off in Hawaii and who shows up but the very young Barack Obama.
GLENN: Hold on just a second. Is it true that Barack Obama's mom was also taken by her grandparents to the Seattle area to go to a school, I believe it was in Bellevue that is, if I'm not mistaken, was known as the Little Red Schoolhouse.
GLENN: In during the McCarthy era, that they moved to the Seattle area to put her into a radicalized communist school. Is that true?
BAKER: That is a very fair assessment. And, in fact, the conclusion I take out of this is generally we can assume that people from the Seattle area are a little bit twisted.
GLENN: Yeah, as being from the Seattle area, yeah, that's absolutely I was the only normal one there.
BAKER: So, yeah. In fact, they
PAT: I don't think that was the allegation really.
PAT: No, I don't think so.
GLENN: No, I no.
BAKER: So they off in Hawaii now. And remember, the poor kid, here's Barack Obama, you know, abandoned by his father, he's been off in Indonesia with his stepfather.
GLENN: Hold on just a second. Didn't Barack Obama's dad leave the family to go to a radical communist run school, college in Manhattan?
BAKER: There yes. In fact, he was the new school, there were offers from both.
GLENN: Yeah. Okay, I'm sorry.
BAKER: And I just, I'm watching your clock. So I want to do two things. We could do a week on this. But the point is
GLENN: Don't shut us down before
BAKER: When you wait, that's Mark Lloyd coming down the hallway.
GLENN: There he is. So anyway.
BAKER: So here's young Barack Obama, and his grandfather, you know, is taking him over to old Frank's house. He writes about this in his book Dreams of my Father. And they shared drinks, they would have the young Barack Obama write dirty limericks.
GLENN: That's what my grandpa used to do.
PAT: Yeah, memories.
BAKER: And Obama, you know, even notes that later when he's a community organizer, a young politician in Chicago, he would walk the streets and the neighborhoods where Frank Marshall Davis walked. And these are wistful sections of the book.
GLENN: When he comes back to Chicago or comes to Chicago, does he meet with Valerie Jarrett right away? How do they meet?
BAKER: Oh, did I mention Valerie Jarrett helped his fiancé, Barack Obama's fiancé Michelle get her first job working in politics in the mayor's office there? Yeah, she did. So what you see in all of this
BAKER: is that there is a long history and connection. In fact, when you look even at Van Jones, one of the things that we looked at that Pam Key over at Naked Emporer News turned up was that Van Jones spoke in 1998 at a conference in Chicago, was the first Black Radical Congress who Jeremiah Wright was also a speaker.
GLENN: Oh, wow.
BAKER: This was on the University of Chicago Illinois campus where Bill Ayers was teaching.
GLENN: And Barack Obama was teaching, yeah.
BAKER: Well, Obama was at University of Chicago.
GLENN: Oh, I'm sorry.
BAKER: Now, we don't know if Obama attended that event but it was all 2,000 people and they were all community activists. So he mighta, you know, a little bit. But two years four years later he does speak on a panel with Bill Ayers that was moderated by the Black Radical Congress and, you know, at some point if you say I don't want to be Jeff Foxworthy but if you call yourself the Black Radical Congress, if you call yourself a radical, you might be a radical.
GLENN: Well, you might. Who are you why do you hate people that are from Chicago so much? Why do you hate people that are different than you?
BAKER: Listen, I lived in Chicago. I went to college there. I worked in politics there.
GLENN: So you say.
GLENN: Send me everything you have on Scott Baker. Send it all to me so I can expose him.
GLENN: All right. Thank you very much for lining this out and sincerely thank you both for everything that you've done. You are there are very few people that are really truly on the stories that need to be, and I know how risky it is. And I know how many late nights and how much stuff you have to sort through to be able to get to it with a very small staff. Thank you. You are doing the country a service.
BAKER: Thank you, Glenn.
GLENN: Breitbart TV. Back in a second.