by Vince Flynn
GLENN: From high above Times Square, third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, you sick twisted freak. Welcome to the program. The one, the only Vince Flynn is here. Hey, Vince, how are you?
FLYNN: Now that you've risen to the status of superstar, you are now protected by a cocoon of glass.
GLENN: Yes, I am. You cannot enter my space.
FLYNN: I can't come within 20 feet of you.
GLENN: That's exactly right. I've read your books. You are a killer. What kind of guy, what kind of guy you don't talk into it that way, Vince. You talk into in flat like that, okay?
FLYNN: I'm not a professional like you.
GLENN: Yeah, I know well, I mean, I'm not a you know, I'm not a New York Times best seller
FLYNN: Actually you are. Actually I
PAT: Who would have saw that coming.
GLENN: Vince was there the first day that we you remember you were there when we got our first number one.
FLYNN: I've been there for you I'm there when you get thrown out of CNN, I'm there when you get number one, I'm there when you are on the cover of Time magazine.
GLENN: He is there every day, every time he shows up, it's a quintessential Glenn Beck day.
FLYNN: In fact, do you remember in Philadelphia, I was in the studio and you had got the offer to go to New York and you were trying to figure out if you should move or not.
GLENN: I don't remember that.
FLYNN: And I said to you, just don't keep the family out of the blast area, the blast radius.
GLENN: That's right, I remember, I'm sorry.
FLYNN: I said go live in Connecticut or in between.
FLYNN: You are more paranoid than I am.
FLYNN: Well, I know things. It's
GLENN: I know, I know. And so you were there I think when the first time we got a number one New York Times best seller and probably a little coldly, he was on the set and I got the phone call. Do you remember what I said to you?
FLYNN: Yeah. I think you said how many times did it take you to get to number one.
GLENN: What I said to you was, how many years did you work to be a New York Times best seller?
FLYNN: Many, many. See, unlike you, I'm just genuinely happy for your success. I think it's beautiful.
GLENN: Can I tell you something? Your new book, whatever it's called
FLYNN: Arguing With Idiots? No, Pursuit of Honor.
GLENN: Pursuit of Honor is the best Mitch Rapp book that you've written.
FLYNN: Thank you.
GLENN: Has anybody else told you?
FLYNN: I have heard that.
GLENN: You have heard that?
FLYNN: I heard that from some other that guy Joe Soucheray who I was telling you about yesterday.
GLENN: I could have said it's the only Mitch Rapp book that I've actually read and I'm bluffing here on that it's the best ever, but that wouldn't be true.
FLYNN: Well, I think, you know, and I got a little chastised. My 8 year old daughter Ingrid wasn't real thrilled that I got on the air last night that I said your wife had to read you the book, didn't she?
GLENN: Yeah. My wife was sitting next to me when we were watching last night and she just laughed. She hit me. I got hit for it. I don't know why I got hit for it. Stop giving him he is such a nice man. Stop giving him such a hard time.
FLYNN: I love it. You know that this is how machismo guys show their true love for each other. They verbally abuse each other.
GLENN: I know, I know.
FLYNN: Part of the deal.
GLENN: But I mean it. You strangely find it endearing. So, you know, the thing that is in the book and I don't want to give away, you know, anything in the book. You can talk a little. You want to talk a little bit about, you want to talk a little bit about Chapter 50. Will you talk a little bit about Chapter 50 in your book?
FLYNN: I would love to talk about Chapter 50. (Laughing). He's holding up signs now.
FLYNN: No, I just, in my hands I have the Christmas Sweater. What is this? A children's?
GLENN: This is a new children's book. It was just brought in. I just got a copy of it, too. It's a new children's book that we're
FLYNN: It's very nice actually.
GLENN: Thank you.
FLYNN: It's a little thin for my taste but it looks the packaging's beautiful.
GLENN: I'm sorry that 6 year olds don't read 300 page novels. Although somebody sent me a book that is the first chapter book that I read with Raphe last night. It is Knights of Rite or Knights of the Rite. The author sent it to me and I brought it home and I started reading it to my son because he is very into knights and it's the first chapter book. Have you ever read the Goosebumps?
FLYNN: I remember doing that, yeah.
GLENN: It was so thrilling to read with him last night.
FLYNN: Because you tell him, we're going to read one chapter and then they get really fired up about it and then another chapter, come on.
GLENN: But it's the first one, they are like three pages without pictures on them and I mean, it was really cool to do it.
FLYNN: You know what? I don't know if you've read the Harry Potter series.
GLENN: Yeah, I have, yeah.
FLYNN: I love it. And when they're young, that first book is pretty benign. By the time you get to Book 7, it's kind of spooky. So young Raphe wouldn't be ready for that but it wouldn't be the worst thing he's
GLENN: I didn't I read Pursuit of Honor.
FLYNN: To Raphe?
GLENN: To Raphe, yeah. Where they just eviscerate him and just cut him open?
FLYNN: So Chapter 50.
GLENN: Yeah, Chapter 50, this is great.
FLYNN: Enough about you. Can we talk about me for a little bit?
GLENN: Yeah, whatever.
FLYNN: Chapter 50, it dawned on me this past spring when I was working on the book, and it's a take off on the last book where this book starts six days after a series of bombs have torn apart Washington, D.C. And by the way, that scenario that he put forth in Extreme Measures raised a lot of eyebrows in Washington D.C., a lot of people in the law enforcement business were saying this is our worst, this is our week underbelly, there's nothing we can do to protect, you know, against attack like this. And so I played on that with, you know, Nancy Pelosi and Feinstein and boxer and Harry Reid and all these guys and how we are we continue to weaken ourselves by attacking the very men and women who are supposed to protect us. And it dawned on me at one point, and I think we can talk about it without giving too much away. But that every single person that hates the CIA and wants to tear them apart for torture are all people who want to put federal funding towards third term abortions and so there's this great point in the book where they're calling on Rapp, they are calling him a barbarian because he caught a guy who was part of this plot and dislocated his arm repeated by to get him to talk.
GLENN: Which is also got scene.
FLYNN: And so they are calling Rapp a barbarian. And he said, hey, to help me out here, what do you think God is going to find more objectionable? Sticking a spike into the head of an 8 month old fetus and sucking out his brains, or dislocating the arm of a terrorist who wants to kill innocent people?
PAT: What would you give for somebody to say that in congress?
FLYNN: Wouldn't it be great to have an Oliver North moment?
PAT: I would do a fundraiser and award that congressman or senator millions just to bring it up.
GLENN: I would
PAT: Or CIA agent, yeah.
GLENN: I think you know what, Vince? You and I have talked over the last few months really, maybe even the last year that the CIA is and it started under Bush. The CIA started getting thrown under the bus and thrown under the bus. The same guys that we said after 9/11, go get em.
GLENN: We now are saying, our politicians on both sides of the aisle are saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, go, go, get the CIA agents that were doing this. These people risked their life, they did do you know, do you know Michael Scheuer?
FLYNN: Yeah, I know who Michael is. Very sharp guy. Don't agree with everything but extremely harp.
GLENN: He is the guy who came up with Rendition.
GLENN: Which, rendition is not something that I agree with, I mean, but he came up with it. And, you know, I can't say that we're I mean, it's not like we go dislocate arms of people, you know, together, you know, as friends. So I can't say that I'm his friend because he scares the hell out of me. But I mean, I know him well enough and I'm reading a book on rendition and I read the story of how it came about and it's Michael Scheuer and President Clinton.
GLENN: And he's doing it because President Clinton wouldn't let him do the right thing and so President Clinton said, find a loophole for me. Okay, here it is; we'll do it this way. Is that acceptable? Well, now people like Michael Scheuer are under attack. These guys have more honor in their body than... than 100 of these people combined.
FLYNN: Glenn, you go through this on the healthcare debate and everything else. You talk about we have allowed the left on this issue of torture and intelligence to move the debate into their sandbox, and it's a false premise to start with. The CIA was started to go break the laws of other countries and international law. That is their entire mission. Right now somewhere over in
GLENN: Oh, no. No, it's not, no.
FLYNN: Right now.
GLENN: It's not like, hey, go over there and shoot out all the street lamps.
FLYNN: No, no, no.
GLENN: They are doing it for a reason.
FLYNN: But they are doing it for a reason, and the reason is they are conducting espionage. They are stealing right now all around the world we have operatives who are hacking into computer systems, who are breaking into apartments, who are stealing people's information who work for foreign governments. And again back up even further. This, the CIA came about after World War II because you had a at the time it was mostly men, had gone and fought in World War I, survived the Great Depression, World War II, and they saw what unchecked fascism and communism and Naziism could do. They knew how serious it was that they went over there and they lost 360,000 of their fellow countrymen fighting that war and they said, you know, we can't just sit back and be passive about this; we have to go actively protect our interests. So the CIA is founded and their job is to go break our countries' laws and steal their secrets. At times abduct people, interrogate them, do all kinds of nasty things. It worked very well up through the beginning of the Seventies because those survivors of World War II were still in the Senate. And they all understood. The CIA is off limits for politics. Well, church hearings roll in, that all changes, and now it has become this horrible committee, the Senate select committee on intelligence and the House committee where they leak all the time about what's going on, and it's the analogy I have in the book: The frog and the scorpion. These politicians cannot help themselves. They have to run to the nearest camera. Every time they get an opportunity to embarrass the other party. And on this issue of the CIA, the Democrats are it's disgusting what's happened. But there's no bravery on the part of the Republicans. Where are the Republican senators and representatives standing up saying, leave these guys alone?
GLENN: Where is anybody on Afghanistan?
FLYNN: It's a joke.
GLENN: Let me ask you this, Vince. You know enough of these guys, you know special forces, CIA, et cetera, et cetera. Do you really believe that if this country was serious and wanted to use the full force and might of the United States of America and the president said you use all of our resources, you do whatever it takes, you shut that damn area down.
GLENN: Kill them.
GLENN: Do you think we would still be over in Afghanistan today?
FLYNN: No we would but we would start moving units. You are saying if we had done this years ago?
FLYNN: Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
GLENN: We would have been out of there in, what, two years?
FLYNN: Well, there's an issue of infrastructure long term. You know, there's some great books out there about the history of Afghanistan. And when we went in
FLYNN: Oh, here we go. Here we go. When we went in, I was always worried about long term.
GLENN: Uh huh.
FLYNN: By the way, this is the only region that Alexander the Great got defeated. Do you know how he got out of there? He married a thousand of his officers to a thousand other women and he declared peace and moved on.
PAT: What if we did that? Is that something that you are recommending doing?
FLYNN: I am recommending.
GLENN: What if we take all of the progressives that don't have a problem with the Taliban and everything else and want to make friends, we send them over there and they get to marry
PAT: The burka chicks.
GLENN: Or the burka guys, the ones that will make Nancy Pelosi stay in the house. Stay in the house! What if we married them off?
FLYNN: Where is Nancy Pelosi on women's issues in Afghanistan?
GLENN: She doesn't seem to have a problem with that, no. So
FLYNN: The military could do it. And by the way, General McChrystal is a genius. There is no great expert on this subject than him but now we're listening to vice president Joe Biden.
GLENN: Do you know him?
FLYNN: No, but I know he is a fan of the books because some guys at Langley
GLENN: I'm talking about people laying their life on the line
FLYNN: Oh, geez. And you asked me if I know him. You are trying to name drop? Do you know him, do you know him?
GLENN: No, there is a battle going on, but he loves my books. What is that what kind of shameless plug is that?
FLYNN: Oh, I didn't write The Christmas Sweater. So you don't want to move into this area of shameless propaganda and plugs.
FLYNN: He sent me the manuscript. Remember, Kevin? He sent me the manuscript, and I know this was tough for you. He sends it to me, "I want to know what you think of my manuscript." And I read it and I got a little emotional and I said, you know, it's you are going to make a gazillion dollars on it but I don't know how you are ever going to, you know, walk like a man again after writing a book called The Christmas Sweater.
GLENN: He did, he did.
PAT: He didn't walk like a man before. So there was no difference. There was no difference.
FLYNN: I came down on Christmas warning and put on my Christmas Sweater.
GLENN: And behind a tree was Mitch Rapp. He ripped the arms of my sister right off, clean off her body! Talk! What's in my present! Talk!
PAT: Why did I start this? I'm so outgunned, it's not even fair.
GLENN: It is the name of the book is
PAT: Pursuit of Honor.
GLENN: And it's available in bookstores everywhere books every place that books are sold, which wouldn't include hardware stores, and it is worth the read. It is it's fantastic. I finished it this weekend. I didn't know you were coming in this week.
FLYNN: Well, you're a busy man. I couldn't believe I saw you on Fox and Friends this morning. You're everywhere.
GLENN: Well... you weren't on I was surprised you weren't on Fox and Friends.
FLYNN: I came on after you, about an hour later.
GLENN: Jeez. So they let him sleep in. Me... get up, Beck!