Glenn Beck talks with Michele Bachmann


Congressman Michele Bachmann

GLENN: From high above Times Square in Midtown Manhattan, this is the third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, you sick twisted freak. Welcome to the program. Is Michele Bachmann on the phone? Congresswoman Bachmann, welcome to the program. How are you?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Good morning, Glenn Beck. I'm doing great. Great to talk to you.

GLENN: May I say I believe you are one of a handful. Give me a number. I'm thinking five, a handful of people, maybe three, that actually are in there doing the right thing, and you'll fall on your sword if you have to, but you're in there just, you don't care about the parties anymore?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: That's right. And I think that's why Speaker Pelosi has made me her number one congresswoman to defeat next year.

GLENN: That is congratulations. (Applause).

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: She just released a list and I'm at the top of had your list to defeat.

GLENN: Really?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: She's raising money hand over fist to defeat me next year.

GLENN: How can I help you raise money?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Well, people with go to MicheleBachmann.com. I need the help. She's raising money at a clip no one has ever seen before because I'm her number one target to get rid of.

GLENN: We should have a fundraiser for you, Michele?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: I will take it. Glenn Beck fundraiser, you are it, my friend, and you would be the draw of all draws.

GLENN: I have to tell ya, I can't take, I can't take the Lindsey Grahams of the world.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: No.

GLENN: Anymore.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: No. People have had it. When they see what's going on with ACORN, with this phony baloney healthcare bill why it's not even words on a sheet of paper the people are voting on; it's a concept. This is isn't even a bill they voted on yesterday.

GLENN: Has that ever been done before?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: No.

GLENN: We're looking into it. My researchers say it's never been done before. They are voting on a red line piece of paper, something that is all marked up. It's not even actually written down.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: It not one word of a law has been written yet and these people took a vote on a bill that hasn't been written. What's worse is the federal government estimated how much this bill would cost. You can't estimate how much it's going to cost if you don't have words on a sheet of paper telling you this is the actual bill language. One word can make all the difference in the bill, and they don't have one word written of an actual legislative language. This is a travesty.

GLENN: Okay. You just sent a letter out because you sent a letter out to the FDIC, and I can't believe you actually wrote "The honorable" before her name but you wrote it to the honorable Sheila Bair. She runs the FDIC. You have exposed something and this is breaking news today on ACORN. Michele Bachmann now has exposed yet this hang on, gang yet another assault on your wallet by ACORN and those with power or those who just did whatever they had to do to be able to hang onto their wallet in the in Wall Street and the financial district. Can you explain what you found?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Yeah. This is one thing you do so well is you connect the dots, and the dots are connecting between the federal government and ACORN. Very simply this is it: The federal government wrote a law called the Community Reinvestment Act. It demands that banks make loans to people who are poor credit risks. So that law was already passed.

GLENN: Okay. Now, that law actually was passed by Bill Clinton.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: That's right.

GLENN: And it was pushed by Barney Frank and I believe Senator Dodd was involved with that.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: That's right.

GLENN: All of the usual suspects were involved.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: All of the usual subjects including some Republicans that got behind this law. The Community Reinvestment Act. So that was already passed. Then what happened, the federal government hung a threat over these banks because banks didn't want to make loans to people who were poor credit risks. That's not they are there in the business to do. So as part of the demand from the federal government, what they said is if the banks fail to lower their lending standards, then the federal government would shut down their interstate bank branches and they would not allow banks to open new branches. So in other words, the federal government would essentially shut these banks down if they refuse to make bad loans to people who wouldn't be able to pay them back.

GLENN: Right.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: And what we found out, Glenn.

GLENN: Listen to this.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: And we're breaking this story on your radio show is that one way the banks could satisfy their requirement under the Community Reinvestment Act is they could partner with ACORN. So a bank could either make a cash donation to ACORN, they could give equipment donations or they could work with ACORN to provide these loans to people who are poor credit risks. One bank that did that was the Citizens Bank of Massachusetts. They put it in a partnership with ACORN. Minnesota Bank, Northeast Bank of Minnesota donated $2,000 to ACORN. New York Bank. We'll put all of this information up on our website at MicheleBachmann.com. But this is huge. Here you have the federal government demanding that banks lower their lending standards. And as a threat to these banks the federal government says we're putting you out of business unless you make these bad loans. But one way you can satisfy your Community Reinvestment Act rating, because you have to get a certain score, one way you could satisfy your score, give money to ACORN. Work with ACORN. You work with ACORN, you're good with us, says the federal government. This is so bad. But the dots are connecting.

GLENN: Let me ask you this. I notice here that you have banks, and see if we find any threads here. I notice that you have listed the banks that are doing this, that gave money or helped ACORN one way or another to satisfy their needs for the government. The banks that you point out, and my question is are there more: Massachusetts, Minnesota, California, and New York. Now, those are all the wildly out of control progressive states. Are there banks in other states that have done this?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Oh, yes, there are.

GLENN: Okay.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: And again that's because banks had to figure out some way to satisfy the federal government's demands and so if they, you know, if they were nervous about making loans to very to people with very shaky credit, one thing they could also do is give money to ACORN. So it's a form of payola. So the banks, in order to be in compliance with the federal government, would give payoff money, so to speak, to ACORN in order to stay in the good graces with the federal government. I mean, what else would you call that but a payola?

GLENN: No, it's corruption. So Michele, where does this go now from I mean, you're ringing the bell. But where does it go from here now?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: We have to demand an investigation. That's why I

GLENN: No, but Michele, God bless you. You know how I feel about you. But I'm so frustrated right now, and I know the American people are. We have been demanding an investigation.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: And we haven't gotten it.

GLENN: So just talk people down no, forget about other people. Talk me off the ledge. Talk me off the ledge.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: The number one way we can talk people off the ledge I think is take a page, a cue from Barney Frank. Over the weekend Barney Frank told a special interest group, if you want congress' attention, you melt the phone lines. You call them and you demand. And that's what I think your listeners need to do.

GLENN: They say here it is. This is David Brooks and all of these conservative blowhards that are losing their power now and see that, well, no, wait, Sarah Palin, she's not going through us, the gate keepers. Wait a minute, hold it. All of these old people who screwed this system up six ways to Sunday that are now losing their power now are saying that Rush Limbaugh and me and everybody else, we can't do anything but melt phones and nobody pays attention to that anymore; is that true?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Well, I think they are paying attention and that's why I'm telling everyone Monday through Friday from now until December 31st, call your member of congress. Call your senator and tell them, don't have the government take over healthcare, and would you please defund ACORN? Because this is another lie. ACORN has only been defunded until October 31st.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: When it's Halloween and kids are out trick or treating.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: The biggest trick is going to be played on the American people. When the clock strikes midnight, Glenn, on October 31st, the spigot turns back on for federal money flowing to ACORN. They were only defunded to this month. It's a huge CYA move on the part of congress and so that's why people need to get mad, get engaged. The tea parties were awesome, and it got more attention than the media wants you to believe. The 9/12 movement that you instigated was a bigger deal than anyone has been led to believe. But if we have to keep the pressure up and that's why your listeners have to melt the phone lines every day. When they wake up and comb their hair and take their vitamin, pick up their phone and call their two senators, call their member of congress. Say, look, I'm not going to stand for this. You do not have the government take over my healthcare and you defund ACORN. Have you figured this out? And then the next day you pick up the phone, you give the same message. Trust me, hardly anyone picks up the phone. Hardly anyone makes the phone calls. That's why the 9/12 movement has been so incredibly successful. Because for the first time the American people are engaged. But they can't just think the 9/12 movement was enough on September 12th. We have to make those phone calls now until the end of the year.

GLENN: Michele?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: That's why Speaker Pelosi has made me her number one target to defeat next year. She wants me gone next year.

GLENN: I have to tell you something. I want you to pass this along to your friends in congress that are that stand by the Constitution and stand against corruption. And I think there are good Democrats and good Republicans. I think the Democrats are more afraid than Republicans are because they know who's got their party by the throat. But you tell them that I am currently in fact, I was just in the break, I was in the hallway talking about something that we're working on for next year and hopefully we'll be announcing here in the next month or so. You tell your friends in congress they haven't seen anything yet. You wait until next year. They haven't seen anything.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: They need to know that. And the best way they can know is by the American people getting a hold of their member of congress and saying this is it: You take orders from me; I don't take orders from you, and you do not pass healthcare and you defund ACORN and you do it now.

GLENN: Do you know, Michele, do you think that the people in congress have any sense to them of the trouble that they are in? I mean, you know, I've talked to a few reporters who are, you know, decent reporters and don't ever want anybody to know that I speak to them. But they're decent reporters that people think are, you know, in the bag for Obama or whatever and they say that the politicians are all saying, "Well, these people will go back to sleep again soon, these people will be off, you know, they're not going to they will be distracted by something else. The people don't have a long memory." You know, Lindsey Graham is running again I think in, what, 2014 is his next election? I don't think this guy has a chance of winning in 2014 because of what he's doing right now. The days of, you know, the elephant is supposed to have a good memory. An elephant never forgets, uh huh. They have forgotten for a long time. Forget about the stupid elephant. Americans who feel that their representatives have betrayed the Constitution or at least borderline betrayed the Constitution and sold our children into a lifetime of servitude, to be able to pay off the things that they are now buying up now, they are not going to be forgotten and they are not going to be forgiven.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Well, that's right because the new coalition that is coming together, literally that is a huge tent that is sewn together with the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. The very parchment of those documents is the tent that we are coalescing against. Because what we recognize is as Americans we were given the most precious gift of any people of all time. And that was our declaration. And that was our Constitution. And in one year's time, in a stunning move, we've seen the federal government take over 30% of all private wealth produced in this country. One year ago 100% of private business profits were private. Today 30% of private business profits are owned or controlled by the federal government. If they get their way and take over healthcare

GLENN: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. All of us are looking at each other saying, wow, I've never heard that stat. Where do you get that stat?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Oh, no, that's true. An, an economist from Arizona State University has calculated that since the inception of bailout nation, we have seen the federal government own or control 30% of private business profits.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: If the federal government lays claim to the private wealth produced in healthcare, Glenn, that's another 18%, or 48% of the private wealth. And if they lay claim through cap and trade, what Lindsey Graham is getting on board with, that's another 8%, or 56% of the private wealth produced in this country. That's stunning. That is stunning.

PAT: So just those two programs, the climate bill and the healthcare reform, which is another 18%, or another 26%?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: That would be 26%, or a total of. Because the federal government has already, Glenn, gotten control or ownership of 30% of the private wealth produced in this country. As if that wasn't bad enough, now this would be an additional 26%. At that point we are no longer a free market capitalist country. That's why people are nervous for a reason. People aren't crazy. They haven't been ginned up by talk show hosts. This is real. This is real what we're seeing in front of our eyes. And that's why I do believe that politicians are going to quake in their boots. And if they aren't, they better. They better.

GLENN: Are you willing, are you willing to lose your job and your reputation for standing up for what you believe in?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Well, of course. I always have been. I'm a former federal tax lawyer. My husband and I have raised five kids. We've raised 23 foster kids. We started a business. I had a really good life before I ever came to Washington D.C., and I left being at home with our family because I saw that my 23 foster kids and my five biological kids aren't going to have a chance, not a chance if the federal government goes down this road.

GLENN: Do you know, do you realize the carbon footprint of your family?

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Isn't it wonderful? Freedom lovers all, Glenn.

GLENN: Michele, our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor, thank you so much.

CONGRESSWOMAN BACHMANN: Amen.

GLENN: We'll see you tonight. We're going to have Michele on. You need to see what she has broken about ACORN. This is disgusting. It is despicable. It is greed, corruption at the highest levels tonight on the Fox News Channel. Or if you'd like to see it on our website, she will be putting it there on, it's MicheleBachmann.com, and I think she said you could make a donation to help her keep Nancy Pelosi at bay.

You know what, I have to tell you we have to stand by those and, you know, you may think Michele Bachmann is one of those; you may not. It doesn't matter to me what party they are. We must understand that this system, this progressive, corrupt system has money at their disposal of biblical proportions and anyone who stands up against them will be destroyed and they will do everything they can to destroy them. If you find a politician that is standing up, you dig deep. You've got our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

The themes of healing and redemption appear throughout the Bible.

Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. — 1 Corinthians 15:43
It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. — Mark 2:17.

So, for many Christians, it's no surprise to hear that people of faith live longer lives.

Heal me, O Lord, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved, for you are my praise. — Jeremiah 17:14.

But it is certainly lovely to hear, and a recent study by a doctoral student at Ohio State University is just one more example of empirical evidence confirming the healing benefits of faith and religious belief.

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Moreover, the study finds that religious belief can lengthen a person's life.

A joyful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones. — Proverbs 17:22
Lord, your discipline is good, for it leads to life and health. You restore my health and allow me to live! — Isaiah 38:16

The study analyzed over 1,000 obituaries nationwide and found that people of faith lived longer than people who were not religious. Laura Wallace, lead author of the study, noted that "religious affiliation had nearly as strong an effect on longevity as gender does, which is a matter of years of life."

The study notes that, "people whose obits mentioned a religious affiliation lived an average of 5.64 years longer than those whose obits did not, which shrunk to 3.82 years after gender and marital status were considered."

And He called to Him His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction. — Matthew 10:1

"The researchers found that part of the reason for the boost in longevity came from the fact that many religiously affiliated people also volunteered and belonged to social organizations, which previous research has linked to living longer. The study provides persuasive evidence that there is a relationship between religious participation and how long a person lives," said Baldwin Way, co-author of the study and associate professor of psychology at Ohio State.

Prayer is good medicine, and faith is a good protector.

In addition, the study showed how the effects of religion on longevity might depend in part on the personality and average religiosity of the cities where people live, Way said.

Prayer is good medicine, and faith is a good protector.

And the power of the Lord was with him to heal. — Luke 5:17
Heal the sick in it and say to them, The kingdom of God has come near to you. — Luke 10:9.

In early June, the Social Security and Medicare trustees released their annual report on the fiscal health of these programs, and the situation looks dire. Medicare is scheduled to run out of money in 2026 (three years sooner than anticipated), while Social Security is expected to run out in 2034. The rising national debt is only one of the well-known financial struggles the millennial generation faces. The burdens of student loan debt, high housing prices (thanks to zoning restrictions), stagnant wage growth, the rising cost of healthcare and lingering aftershocks of the Great Recession are among the biggest sources of economic anxiety millennials feel.

Progressive politicians have been very successful at courting the youth vote, partly because they actually promote policy ideas that address many of these concerns. As unrealistic or counterproductive as Senator Bernie Sanders' proposals for single-payer health care or a $15 an hour minimum wage might be, they feel in theory like they would provide the economic stability and prosperity millennials want.

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Republicans, on the other hand, have struggled to craft a message to address these concerns. Fiscal conservatives recognize, correctly, that the burden of the $20 trillion national debt and over $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities will fall on millennials. Some conservatives have even written books about that fact. But the need to reform entitlements hasn't exactly caught millennials' attention. Pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson, in her book The Selfie Vote, notes that millennials generally view protecting the safety net as more important than reducing the deficit.

Clearly, Republicans have a problem. They need to craft solutions that address the millennial generation's struggles, but they can't seem to sell entitlement reform, their biggest policy preference that addresses those problems. The Republican approach to wooing millennials on policy is failing because talking about stopping the debt from reaching an unsustainable level is long-term and abstract, and offers few immediate tangible benefits. A new approach to both pave the way for entitlement reform and give millennials an immediate financial boost is to first reform not entitlement spending, but the payroll tax: specifically, by partially (or wholly) replacing it with a value-added tax.

Under the current Social Security model, workers pay for the benefits of current retirees through the payroll tax. This system creates the illusion of a pension program, in which what you put in is what you get out, but in reality Social Security is a universal safety net program for the elderly paid for by taxes. The payroll tax falls on workers and is a tax on labor, while the value-added tax (VAT) is a tax on consumption imposed at every part of the production process. Assuming that this policy change is revenue-neutral, switching to a VAT will shift the responsibility for funding Social Security and Medicare away from workers, disproportionately poorer and younger, and onto everyone participating in the economy as a whole. Furthermore, uncoupling Social Security funding from payroll taxes would pave the way for fiscal reforms to transform the program from a universal benefit program to one geared specifically to eliminating old-age poverty, such as means-testing benefits for high-income beneficiaries, indexing benefits to prices rather than wages or changing the retirement age.

Switching from the payroll tax to the VAT would address both conservative and liberal tax policy preferences.

Switching from the payroll tax to the VAT would address both conservative and liberal tax policy preferences. As the Tax Policy Center notes, the change would actually make the tax system more progressive. The current payroll tax is regressive, meaning that people with lower incomes tend to pay a higher effective tax rate than people with higher incomes. On the other hand, the value-added tax is much closer to proportional than the payroll tax, meaning that each income group pays closer to the same effective tax rate.

For Republicans, such a change would fit conservative economic ideas about the long-run causes of economic growth. A value-added tax has a much broader base than the payroll tax, and therefore would allow for much lower marginal tax rates, and lower marginal tax rates mean smaller disincentives to economic activity. According to the Tax Foundation's analysis of a value-added tax, the VAT would be a more economically efficient revenue source than most other taxes currently in the tax code.

Not only would replacing part or all of the payroll tax provide an immediate benefit to millennial taxpayers, it would also open the door for the much-needed entitlement reforms that have been so politically elusive. Furthermore, it would make the tax code both more pro-growth and less regressive. In order to even begin to address the entitlement crisis, win millennial support and stimulate the economy in a fiscally responsible manner, Republicans must propose moving from the payroll tax to the VAT.

Alex Muresianu is a Young Voices Advocate. His writing has appeared in Townhall and The Federalist. He is a federal policy intern at the Tax Foundation. Opinions expressed here are his only and not the views of the Tax Foundation. He can be found on Twitter @ahardtospell.

Glenn was joined by Alanna Sarabia from "Good Morning Texas" at Mercury Studios on Thursday for an exclusive look at Mercury Museum's new "Rights & Responsibilities" exhibit. Open through Father's Day, the temporary museum features artifacts from pop culture, America's founding, World Ward II and more, focusing on the rights and responsibilities America's citizens.

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Watch as Glenn gives a sneak peek at some of the unique artifacts on display below.

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Several months ago, at the Miss Universe competition, two women took a selfie, then posted it on Instagram. The caption read, "Peace and love." As a result of that selfie, both women faced death threats, and one of the women, along with her entire family, had to flee her home country. The occasion was the 2017 Miss Universe competition, and the women were Miss Iraq and Miss Israel. Miss Iraq is no longer welcome in her own country. The government threatened to strip her of her crown. Of course, she was also badgered for wearing a bikini during the competition.

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In an interview, Miss Iraq, Sarah Idan, said:

When I posted the picture I didn't think for a second there would be blowback. I woke up to calls from my family and the Miss Iraq Organization going insane. The death threats I got online were so scary. The director of the Miss Iraq Organization called me and said they're getting heat from the ministry. He said I have to take the picture down or they will strip me of my title.

Yesterday, Miss Iraq, Sarah Idan, posted another selfie with Miss Israel, during a visit to Jerusalem.

In an interview, she said that:

I don't think Iraq and Israel are enemies; I think maybe the governments are enemies with each other. There's a lot of Iraqi people that don't have a problem with Israelis.

This is, of course, quite an understatement: Iraq, home to roughly 15,000 Palestinians, refuses to acknowledge Israel as a legitimate country, as it is technically at war with Israel. The adages says that a picture is worth a thousand words. What are we to do when many of those words are hateful or deadly? And how can we find the goodness in such bad situations?