by Marcus Luttrell
GLENN: Let me go to Marcus Luttrell. Hello, Marcus.
LUTTRELL: Hey, number 3.
GLENN: How are you, sir?
LUTTRELL: I'm doing all right.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. Do we have Don West on? Hang on. Can you conference them real quick? Put Marcus on with Dawn. Dawn is in front of the Navy base in Virginia now.
DAWN: Yeah, I'm standing here with Josh. He is the one that created this on Facebook to show the support of the Navy SEALs. We're outside of the NOV base.
GLENN: What's happening? How many people do you have there?
DAWN: I would say there's 150 to 200 people. We've got the local helps, we've got the Hampton Roads tea party. Again Josh, he flew in on a plane last night all the way from Texas. We have folks from North Carolina, Texas, Vegas, the one five, Mr. McCabe, I guess it's Mc C A B E, he's showing support for his son. Yes, it's turned out to be pretty good here at the base.
GLENN: Hang on just a second, Dawn. We have Marcus on the other line. Marcus, can you explain to anybody who's not following this on what exactly is happening?
LUTTRELL: Right now we've got some Navy SEALs on trial for dereliction of duty.
GLENN: Hang on.
LUTTRELL: Hang on. Put her on hold.
LUTTRELL: You can't jump to conclusions. I mean
GLENN: Is there a chance, Marcus, that these guys deserve, deserve, that they are holding back information? I mean, I'm sure you've seen the reports. I had several reports come out this weekend. The Navy released some information. Did you get a chance to see any of the stuff from the special operations command?
LUTTRELL: Yes, sir.
GLENN: Is there, is there anything in here that you would read that you would say, well, hang on just a second; I mean, it's a little more than that; you know, he willfully failed the safeguarded detainee. Well, yeah, it's a dirt bag terrorist.
LUTTRELL: You know, none of that has anything to do with it. That's all crap. Yeah, whatever. The guy's a terrorist. It's our job to move one guy, you know, move him from one place to another but like I'm saying, you know, nobody knows what was going on inside that truck besides the guys that were in there. They can't Monday morning quarterback them. I think that's going on is the fact that when they were just, when the conversation came up like, hey, what happened to these guys, the frogs that were transporting him didn't come clean and say, hey, look, this is what happened, this, that and the other.
GLENN: No, no, here's the statement. Because I have the papers. You know, these are the papers they were charged with here. And one of them in fact, several of them made the statement, "I did not see anybody abuse or mistreat Mr.... and then the name is blocked out and redacted."
GLENN: Or words to that effect, where that statement is completely and totally false. It was known by the officer at that time to be false.
Well, I mean, there's a difference between, did somebody punch him in the face, and, did you see anybody abuse him. No.
GLENN: I saw my friend punch him in the face, but he deserved it.
LUTTRELL: Yeah, exactly. If you smack the crap out of somebody for acting up or whatever, then, you know
GLENN: That's not abusing.
LUTTRELL: If you are not there, then you don't know what's going on. So I mean, this is all I mean, this has blown way out, I mean, this has gone too far.
PAT: I mean, they were in the back of a truck, too. He could have the terrorist could have fallen into somebody's fist. He might have accidentally just bounced into somebody's fist.
LUTTRELL: And he's like, you know, hey, I remember you guys, didn't I drag one of your guys through the street and hang him up from a bridge and burn him? That guy would still have my fist permanently implanted into his face.
PAT: As well he should. He should, yeah.
LUTTRELL: You know, so I mean, this has dragged on from bringing these guys out of the field and then into the courtroom now is just absolutely stupid, you know. It's just dumb.
GLENN: Is there a possibility, Marcus? You know how these things work. I don't know how the military system works. You know how this works. Is there a possibility that we're going to find more about these guys that we didn't know?
LUTTRELL: Maybe inside the community itself.
LUTTRELL: It's not going to make it out, though.
GLENN: Is there a possibility that the Navy just backs down from this?
LUTTRELL: I'm not sure that it's the Navy that's doing all this.
GLENN: Well, who is doing it? Special operations command. Central command. Is that Tampa or is that
LUTTRELL: Yeah, that's just not frogs in general. That has that's SOCOM itself. That's all special forces meaning, you know, Army, MARINE, everybody.
GLENN: So who's doing this? Is that who's doing this, do you think?
LUTTRELL: Like you said, it's SOCOM itself. I couldn't exactly tell you who's heading up the, you know, who's
GLENN: Is there a possibility this comes from Washington?
LUTTRELL: Everything comes from Washington.
GLENN: Not good things.
LUTTRELL: Yeah. I mean, where do you think? I mean
PAT: Is there a possibility it comes from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington?
GLENN: No, what I'm asking is
PAT: No, that's
GLENN: No, what I'm asking is this, you know, what are your thoughts on that this is real, that there was something to look at that would have been looking at by any president who, you know, it should be looked at? And how much
LUTTRELL: It's nuts. It's really stupid. That's what it is.
GLENN: Because that's what it feels like but, you know, I want to give Washington the benefit of the doubt here that, you know, that they are still, you know, on the right side of things. But I can't see it here. So that's what I'm trying to get to you get from you is, please tell me that there's something here that gives you a ray of sunshine that, no, we're not just selling our Navy SEALs out and throwing them into a meat grinder while we're putting all of our other soldier and airmen and naval officers through a meat grinder over in the Middle East.
PAT: And like what we did with the Pendleton Eight Marines, threw them under the bus and they were all exonerated.
LUTTRELL: I mean, this is obviously my opinion, you know, but, one, if it was something other than punching that guy, if this happens to be something other than, you know, slapping that terrorist around, then that's different.
LUTTRELL: And also making this thing a public spectacle like it is, you know, and dragging this out into the public, you know, Navy SEALs, you know, you shouldn't even have known. Like I said earlier, we're the ones that grabbed this guy. It shouldn't have made front page, you know, paper that Navy SEALs did anything, much less dragging us, you know, across the mud into the courtroom and all that crap because that trickles down to other military forces like SEALs through the mud. If they can't do something, you know, we definitely can't do hardly anything. You can't even walk out in the streets anymore. And I think there's a protocol out there that says you can't even engage the enemy unless you are absolutely engaged by them. You can't do that unless you get shot at, unless they are shooting directly at you. You can't take the preinitiative to take those guys out.
GLENN: You tell me what the difference is between what we're doing to the Navy SEALs and what we've been doing to the CIA. I don't see it. I don't see a difference.
LUTTRELL: Yeah, no difference now.
GLENN: I mean, this is we're just taking anybody who actually stands up for us, anybody who is doing the hard work, we're just taking them out one by one, just clubbing them in the knees. This is administration is the Tonya Harding of military presidents. I mean, he's just taking the military and just clubbing them.
LUTTRELL: Yeah, I mean, you know, if you are not going to let us do our job, like I mean, and the funny thing is like nobody everyone's so interested in what's going on over there. And I've said it before. Like, if you want to know every little minute detail, grab a rifle and come over and help fight. Otherwise, you know, worry about the economy. Worry about, you know, whatever's going on over here. That's, you know, that's the big picture kind of thing. But if you are going to get in our business and make judgments and stuff like that when you don't have any idea what's going on or weren't exactly there, then you need to pull us back out of the water. I mean, there doesn't need to be any troops over there at all. You can't have it both ways. You know what I mean?
GLENN: Yes. And that's why I have that's why I've recently come back and said pull our troops out. Because these people are going to try to have it both ways, and it's going to get people like you killed.
LUTTRELL: Yeah, I mean
GLENN: It's not right. Or, you know, it will get people like you in jail for doing what they asked you to do.
GLENN: It's not right.
LUTTRELL: I'd really, I'd rather be over in the battlefield and be killed over there than be in the court system here.
GLENN: Marcus, how are you feeling today?
LUTTRELL: I'm good, hanging in there.
GLENN: Good. I love you, man. I'll talk to you soon.
LUTTRELL: Love y'all.
GLENN: All right, bye bye. Marcus Luttrell.