GLENN: Now, somebody won another, another state over the weekend with just as many delegates as New Hampshire and yet nobody paid attention to it. It was Wyoming, won by Mitt Romney who's with us now. Hi, Mitt.
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Hello, Glenn.
GLENN: How are you doing, sir?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: I'm doing wonderful, thank you.
GLENN: You are not going to launch one of those horrible attack ads on me, are you?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: I'm sure you're quaking in your boots.
GLENN: You know what, would you please say the next time you have an opportunity in an attack ad with John frickin' McCain when he looks at you and talks about attacks ads, would you just say, oh, you mean the attack ads that are now allowed because of McCain/Feingold?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Yeah, that's probably a good idea. By the way, you should see the ad he launched against me. It doesn't describe our records. It describes as personal attacks and, of course, he led with mailers of that nature as well. And then you go back to the election in 2000. He was the one that had an ad that said that George Bush twisted the truth like Bill Clinton. So he's got quite a record to talk from.
GLENN: You know, I like your answer on the attack ads that you've been giving lately because it's so true. It's not an attack ad if you are talking about the facts, but the attack ads quite honestly against you, a lot of them have been whisper campaigns.
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Yeah, yeah.
GLENN: And that's not an attack ad. To say all I have to -- here's my --
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Are you there?
GLENN: Are you there? Can you hear me? Hello? Mitt, are you there? Did we lose him?
The attack ad -- get him back on the phone, will you? The attack ad that you have to do on John McCain is McCain/Feingold, McCain/Kennedy, McCain/Lieberman. There it is! There's your attack ad. That's not an attack ad. That's a fact ad.
Are you there, Mitt?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: I am back. I am back. Thanks, Glenn.
GLENN: So I was just saying the attack ad that you should run, and he would say that it's an attack ad but it's not is just say this. McCain/Feingold, McCain/Kennedy, McCain/Lieberman.
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: That's exactly right. What I do in my ads is I very succinctly describe his vote against the Bush tax cuts, the fact that he is in favor of an amnesty-like program for illegal aliens. I put those facts out there. That will help him in the general election. It's probably helping him with a lot of independent voters. But he calls it an attack ad because obviously it makes a good score against me. The truth is it's just describing his record and if he thinks that's an attack, he must not like his record.
GLENN: Okay. Let me ask you this, Governor Romney. The immigration debate that went on here, I didn't even know what anybody was even saying on this. I thought Rudy Giuliani had the line of the night on that which is, we all suck at this. You all do. Every single one of you suck on immigration because things have changed, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But as I understand it, help me out. As I understand it, John McCain wants to give everybody fines and everything else. Mike Huckabee, he had a bad record when he was governor but now he's, ship everybody out of the country. Where are you?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: I made it really clear, and this is where the big dividing line is. Everybody agrees we should secure the border and have an employment verification system. Everybody agrees on that now, but the question is what do you do with the 12 million people already here. John McCain says give them the right to stay here forever unless they're a criminal. I disagree.
GLENN: You denied that. I mean, that's why talk radio went crazy.
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Yeah.
GLENN: Was the Z visa. He denies that that was even part.
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: But he keeps saying, well, it's not everybody. They have to learn English and pay $5,000 and have a job. Then they get to stay here forever. So basically it's saying if you are here illegally, you get a special deal, you get to stay. And that's his position. My view is you're here illegally, you get no special deal, you get treated like anybody else that wants to come here. You've got to go home, you've got to get in line. You get the same treatment as anybody else that wants to come to America.
GLENN: So do you send everybody on JetBlue back to wherever they came from? How do you get rid of the 12 million people that are here? Are you there? We lost -- how are we losing him? I could hear him. Lost him again. Call him back up. In what quite possibly could be the most difficult surgical interview I've ever done and I'm doing it on heavy medication. Don't operate heavy machinery. This microphone, not that heavy.
All right, are you there?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Yeah, we're fading in and out here. I'm traveling through the hills of beautiful New Hampshire.
GLENN: I'm so sorry that we keep losing you. All right. Let me go back to immigration. He keeps saying that the Z visa doesn't apply. I want to know, are you saying that we fly all of these people back to their homeland? How do you take the 12 million people and send them out?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Well, here's what you do. You say to the 12 million who are here that they have the right to sign up if they want to become permanent residents but you look at their individual circumstances and you allow them to stay here for a temporary, set period of time. So, for instance, somebody who's come here for a year, you tell them they're going home tomorrow. Somebody who's been here ten years that have kids in school, you say, look, we're going to let you stay here for several months until your school year is over, you sell your home, you finish your apartment lease and then you go home. You give people a different period of time for them to be able to stay here legally and to work here during this temporary period. Ultimately, however, they go back home, they get in line and they apply for permanent residency or citizenship. So we do this in a gradual way. It's an attrition type process where gradually and humanely we replace illegal aliens who are here with our own citizens and with legal aliens coming in. And, of course, we will have a continued legal alien program that welcomes people with visas and other statuses that allow people to come here the way we always have. But we've got to be a nation of laws and we have to say that people who have stood in line get the chance to come here ahead of those who just jumped the line.
GLENN: You have a guy, John McCain, who I cannot believe. I mean, this just shows how people are just searching for a candidate. You've got a guy, John McCain, who every conservative will look at and say, you've got to be kidding me, right? How is it he is currently tied with you or beating you in New Hampshire? We've lost him yet again. Can we rebook this? Get him on the phone one more time and see if we can --
STU: Yeah, he's obviously on -- you can hear him kind of fading in and out here and there. What are you going to do. It's live radio.
GLENN: I can hear him, we can hear him. We should just text message the questions.
STU: He can answer them to your voice mail and we can play them back later.
GLENN: We'll piece it all together. He's back? Governor Romney? We're going to try this -- we're going to try this one more time and then maybe we'll have to schedule you tomorrow if we can where you're stationary.
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Okay.
GLENN: You've got a guy in John McCain who every conservative would say you've got to be kidding me; he's done more to hurt free speech than probably any other American in the history of America. How is it he's tied with you or beating you in some polls in New Hampshire right now? What is it that John McCain, what is it that people are missing or are missing about you or missing about him?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Well, John McCain is a fine fellow and a national hero. He won here, as you know, against George W. Bush by a wide margin in 2000. This is a libertarian state in a lot of respects and so he's got a lot of followers here and, you know, I'm very pleased that I've been able to tie him. We're in a neck-and-neck race here. I also think that the mainstream media gives him pretty much of a free ride. They've had no discussion of his tax position voting against the Bush tax cuts, no discussion of his position on illegal immigration and it's meant that, you know, he has a growing following and, you know, my job is to remind people that, you know, if Barack Obama is going to be the Democratic nominee that there's no way that John McCain as a long-term senator in the U.S. Senate is going to be able to stand up and say he's the candidate of change. Just not going to happen. We're going to have to have a new voice who represents change in Washington or we're going to find that Barack Obama does the same thing to John McCain that he did to Hillary Clinton and Chris Dodd and to Joe Biden.
GLENN: You know, Mitt, I alienate almost every person that is ever on this program that is running for office because I'm honest and in hopes that I don't do that with you, let me ask an honest question. One of the things about Barack Obama that people like is that he admits mistakes, he has mistakes, people look at him and say he's an awful lot like me. If I were running a company, I would want you to be the CEO, no questions asked because you are never going to make a mistake. You are so good and so well put together. I mean, look at your hair, man. You piss me off. What is it about Mitt Romney where there is a struggle? Where is the struggle in your life?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Well, you know, everybody has struggles and not everybody sees what they are. I think probably the greatest challenge that we've had in our life is of a personal nature when my wife and sweetheart got diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1998 and that continues to be something that we work with and that we battle. We don't show that. We don't describe that to voters.
GLENN: What is the thing, Mitt, that you have struggled with that you have overcome? What is the thing that you -- what is the part of you that, you know, you're like, if I could change one thing, it would be this?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Oh, gosh, Glenn. There's so many things I'd like to change, you know, and I think everybody feels the same way. There are, without question there are folks, so many more people I'd like to be able to help that I'm not able to help. There are times when I'm more selfish than I ought to be. You know, I must admit I'd rather spend time with my family than anybody else and so a lot of friends wonder why I don't spend more time with them. But look, and did I have challenges as a kid, yeah. Yeah, there are some things I did as a kid I'm not proud of. But I really don't think it's helpful if you are running for President to stand up and talk about those kind of problems because I think it opens up the door to kids to say, oh, if the guy who's running for President or is President, if he did that, well, then I can do it, too.
GLENN: Right. I'm not looking to --
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: I'm willing to say what George Bush said which is when I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible. And I got in trouble now and then and people have heard about some of those times and yet I don't really dwell on those because I don't think it's a good thing for our kids to hear.
GLENN: I'm not asking you to come out with some skeleton in the closet. What I'm saying to you is you are so put together. People describe it as slick. I don't. I think you're well put together. You're a guy who I want running my company, but what they don't see is they don't see the human side. They don't see the struggle side. They don't see, man, I have had to conquer these things. And I'm not asking for a revelation.
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Well, Glenn, you'll have to help me a bit but, you know, when I went to school, when I went to Brigham Young University, I went there and worked in school and then I moved back east and got into Harvard and I figured I'm going to flunk out of this place; I can't possibly make it. And I worked harder, sitting down in the library studying than probably any other student in the school because I was afraid I was going to flunk out. And I worked real hard and I did well, but I did it by working hard and, you know, then I came out of school and I went, got my first job and I again worked really darn hard because I wanted to do well there and I was able to do well but, you know, you don't do well and become the head of the company unless your daddy owns it, and my daddy didn't own this company. I had no connection with the company. I didn't inherit any money. I worked real hard and found myself able to get to the top of the company and then I started a business of my own and was able to build it to be successful. Then I went on to the Olympics and, boy, they were in trouble. I mean, talk about a struggle. I couldn't sleep for the first couple of weeks there very well because I was just terrified. I got used to the terror as time went on and we were able to turn the games around. So I've been in a number of settings that have been in trouble and the only answer I've got is that I do my best to work hard, to put my faith in my family and my creator, work as hard as I can. And by the way, I don't always succeed. I ran against Ted Kennedy. I got trounced by the big guy. And it wasn't easy getting beat by Ted Kennedy. You know, for about six months Ann and I -- well, we weren't depressed clinically but we felt pretty darn low and, you know, it's just the nature of life. You have some successes and failures. In business I had some failures.
GLENN: All right.
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: I had some things I did that didn't work out and, you know, you learn from that and you move on. But I don't know that there's anybody who's lived a particularly charmed life but I think you learn from your failures as much as anything and I'm planning on unfortunately more than a couple of failures in my future.
GLENN: Mitt Romney, always a great experience to talk to you, sir. I wish you the best of luck tomorrow in New Hampshire. I'd like to have you on again, talk a little bit about the economy but I know we're out of time. And let me just end with this question. Do you support more cell towers in New Hampshire?
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: (Laughing.) Absolutely.
GLENN: All right, good. Mitt Romney, thanks a lot. We'll talk to you again.
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: Thanks. Bye-bye.