Scott Baker from Breitbart TV
GLENN: Now, I have to tell you there are several people that help this program out. In research there are people that work around the clock. Literally they have worked around the clock doing research on things different times of the year. Scott Baker is one of those guys from Breitbart TV and, Scott, you were when did I e mail you? About eight weeks ago or so about a new advisor on the president?
BAKER: Yeah, you, I think it was maybe six, eight weeks ago saying, you know, Jim Wallis. And I didn't know him personally.
BAKER: But I've heard him speak and I had 25 years of watching him. And so I knew exactly what your areas of concern would be. It was very clear to me.
GLENN: It doesn't, it doesn't take a genius.
GLENN: Although he has cloaked himself so very well into, into just a, oh, he's just a spiritual advisor for the president.
BAKER: I think it's kind of like, you know, you've talked about this on your programs before, that there seems to be a new marching order for progressives. You know, it's like we're not going to sell this stuff if we look like hippies, right?
GLENN: Yeah, yeah.
BAKER: And so it's like dress it up, put the suit on, slick it up.
GLENN: Van Jones.
GLENN: Van Jones, he is an avowed communist and yet nobody will ask him that question and if they did, I can guarantee who would say, "Look, I'm a green jobs guy."
GLENN: I am looking for social justice.
GLENN: I think this economy is out of control. I mean, capitalism, it's not working the way it's running right. That's the way he will answer it. And it happened strangely all at once with all of these radicals. They all of a sudden decided to change their language, independently. Am I wrong?
BAKER: No, I think you are absolutely right. I think they did and, you know, Jim Wallis is a very effective spokesman for his set of ideas. And I did ask him, by the way. I interviewed him on Friday for about 40 minutes and I said, what do you, what do you call yourself? Are you a Christian Marxist or something? And he's like, "I'm not left, I'm not right. Don't go liberal, don't go conservative. Go deeper." Right? That's sort of his
GLENN: Deeper? Deeper?
PAT: Oh, please.
GLENN: And you know what? Jim, I want you to know this is not a personal attack on you. I really don't care about you or your church or anything else. You know, I don't, I don't mind if anybody goes to a church that I don't go.
GLENN: I'm not trying to, you know, change your mind or anything. I just want an open and honest conversation happening in America.
GLENN: And that's not what you want. That's not what your ilk wants. You hide. And if you had the courage of your conviction, you would Stott bearing false witness against your brother and you would actually just say what you mean and mean what you say. That's what Jesus did. That's, of course you know, you don't want to take the chance that you might lose. Jesus was crucified because he said what he meant and meant what he said.
BAKER: I wait. I thought Glenn Beck hated Jesus? That's what I saw in Time magazine.
GLENN: I know. That's amazing. So I don't want to talk about him because
BAKER: Can I give let me give you just one because when you said that phrase
GLENN: You're dieing.
BAKER: bearing false witness.
BAKER: Well, no, it's like, you know, a horse in the gates ready to go.
GLENN: Yeah, I know.
BAKER: And I know you want to keep your focus on healthcare but I'm telling you there is a lot to get here.
GLENN: Oh, I know.
BAKER: And it's not peripheral stuff. This is when I heard you talking to the mother of the girl at Wheaton College last week, Wheaton College was my college and these debates were big debates for us back when we were at school in the Eighties. And when she was talking about kind of that feeling of the loss of her daughter, what happened to this bright girl that went off and now has kind of bought into this. That's what I used to think when I was there and I would see the people rallying and all this kind of stuff. How are you people buying this crap? You know, and so here when I and I sent that phrase bearing false witness to you because that's what I tried to press on outside of all these issues to say there may be people that are less religious, that don't follow the debates about social justice and all of that, that might not know what Glenn Beck was talking about. But if there's anybody in America who really does know exactly what Glenn Beck is talking about, it would be Jim Wallis. He knows that for a century there's been debates in Christianity about social gospels and personal gospels and his issues have been very divisive within the church. And so for him to come out and say this is what Glenn Beck is speaking against, caring for your neighbor and loving your neighbor as yourself, absolute bull. And I said
PAT: And he knows it.
BAKER: But he wouldn't come to. I asked him three times. I said, you know that's not what he's talking about because and the problem was he said, yes, well, I yes, back I grew up in the Plymouth brethren and these were great debates. I was like, exactly. You know that they're great debates and you know that's what he was talking about. So why are you bearing false witness?
PAT: What did he say?
GLENN: What did he say?
BAKER: He just says, I have no idea what he's talking about and he needs to he's offended people and he needs to apologize.
GLENN: Yeah. Jim, that's not going to happen. Gosh darn it.
BAKER: He will be upset about that.
GLENN: I know he will, and I hate when Marxists get upset because yeah.
PAT: Now, you would have to be preaching redistribution of wealth to be called a Marxist.
GLENN: No, he wouldn't no, he wouldn't preach that, would he, Pat? Would he preach that?
PAT: I'm sure not. I'm sure he's he's been asked about it. I'm sure he's absolutely not!
VOICE: Are you then calling for the redistribution of wealth in society?
WALLIS: Absolutely, without any hesitation. That's what the gospel is all about.
GLENN: Oh. Oh, I didn't
PAT: Wait. Hold it.
GLENN: Hmmm. The widow's mite.
PAT: I was waiting for "Absolutely not." Not "Absolutely."
GLENN: I'm waiting.
PAT: Now, was the widow's mite, that came from a government agency, right?
GLENN: No, no. But I do remember in the gospel that I read Jesus saying you only had one might? That guy over there, he's got too many mites! Get his mites and we can give it to you! Do you remember that scene? No, I don't, either. I don't, either. Isn't that weird? But that's absolutely what
GLENN: That's absolutely what he believes the gospel is about. You know better than that. If you want to give your wealth to someone, that's what you do. Jon Huntsman is more what the gospel is about. He's made billions of dollars. He's going to die broke because he chooses to give it away.
BAKER: But Jim Wallis says that voluntary charity is not enough.
GLENN: You don't happen to have that audio?
PAT: We do.
GLENN: Gosh darn it, we'll have to take a break and come back for that audio. But I don't want to, I don't want to say this is a you know, I don't want to get, you know, onto the Jim Wallis bandwagon today because, oh, Jim, I have a plan, you see?
BAKER: I'm just going to put my computer away then because I've got all of these clips and all the
GLENN: Oh, no, no. No, no, we've got oh, no, I've got a special way to debut all of this, Jim, and educate America. Because I know you're for education, too. I am as well. So we're going to educate America on this together and it will be great. And you just keep listening, Jim, because I've got a special way to do that. But I'm not going to get pulled off of healthcare because that's almost like what an adviser to the president would like me to do this week is be focused on something other than healthcare. Now here's the good news. It's the good news according to Glenn, not to Jesus. But I'm not sure you recognize the good news according to Jesus. The good news according to Glenn is we're going to spend a lot of time talking about social justice in the coming days. Could happen at any time. So you just keep listening. But we're going to do it in a special way because I'm not going to help you sell books. We're going to do it in a special way. And we're, we're going to you are going to like it. You are going to like it a lot. You are going to like it a lot. So just stay with us, okay, Jim? And that goes for you at moveon.org and the Huffington Post, you just stay with us. You just keep listening because we've got some really, really special coming.