GLENN: What do you think about Mike Huckabee?
MATALIN: I think he is a perfectly lovely person and I think he's the best debater and the best order in the bunch but he is not a conservative. And just because you're a Christian, which he clearly is, does not mean you are a conservative. He's Christian left. I know a lot of Christian left people. My husband's Christian left. He's the same as Catholic and that is a different cut. The mainstream media has equated Christianity with issue sets that are conservative. He is not. Expanded government, he raised taxes, he's soft on immigration. He's just, he's not a conservative. That doesn't make him a bad guy. It just makes him not a guy that I think represents what the Republican party is. And we know what the Republican party loses by and that's how he ran his stake. We lost in '06 because we expanded government and, you know, we weren't serious about getting -- you know what I mean? So he's everything that proves, shows how we lost. Why would we nominate him? Although that he can tell a good joke. Well, turn on Jay Leno. They are all writing their own stuff now.
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GLENN: He's an amazing guy because I like Mike. He's a nice guy. There are some things that are unsettling with me on Mike Huckabee, but the thing that -- I don't think he's necessarily left. Politically speaking I don't think he looks at politics and says, yeah, I'm from the left. I think he really believes he's from the right but his Christianity, the understanding of the gospel, the way he understands it, the way he interprets it is that we have to help our fellow man, and we do. But Jesus never said government needs to help the fellow man. He gets so lost in his Christianity that sometimes people -- and I see this happen all the time. People get so lost in their Christianity that they forget that Jesus was saying, you go help that other person. And he never said --
MATALIN: You go give that other person your coat and we teach a man to fish. We don't give him fish. We teach him to fish.
GLENN: Exactly right.
MATALIN: So that is -- and yeah, you have hit the nail on the head because I appreciate his compassion and I appreciate that happening through the culture helping others, which was the essence of Bush's compassionate conservativism. Let the faith-based community, let's inspire them and let's inspire people to do all of that. But as you -- oh, my God, I almost feel like it's cliche, we've been saying it for so long. That if you give people -- if the government does it for them, they don't learn how to do it. You are not helping anybody in the end. You are not helping them, you are not helping culture, you are not helping families. We proved that over and over and over again. And what it just -- I know it's not left. You are absolutely right about this. But it so smacks of, you know, good intentions, you don't have to have a good outcome. You just have to have a good intention. And if we want to help people, then that makes us good. No, you get -- when you're governing, you've got to put together policies that do help people which largely through our history have been premised in getting out of their way and it's fostering freedom and entrepreneurship and risk-taking and personal responsibility, protecting private property, insuring the rule of laws. Those are the principles that made this country great, not some nanny statism. We've gone backwards every time we've done that
GLENN: Probably -- speaking of nanny statism, did you see that Bloomberg is, I mean, he is really serious about running for President of the United States. He's actually -- he's beginning to pursue, well, maybe I should run for President of the United States. Who do you think he hurts? You want to talk about nanny state, it's Bloomberg.
MATALIN: Right. He can't -- he's saying all that and he's keeping his options open but he can -- what they are also really saying and what they know, and he's not going to throw his money away, is he can't -- there's no hold for him. There's no rational, whatever we call it anymore, for him to get in unless the two nominees are not satisfactory or they are -- like if it was a Huckabee and a Hillary, he could get in, for instance. If it was a Fred and Obama, there's no room for him because they sort of cover the waterfront of the left and the right or whatever, you know what I mean? But if he -- and his original message was confidence. Well, people -- politics move fast, okay? We're post Katrina now and a lot of people have really come to understand that Katrina wasn't federal incompetence solely, it had a lot to do with the state incompetence or not the government at all, people themselves. But the competent thing is being deflated, that rationale, because people are largely getting increasingly satisfied with the field. So he's losing the rationale. But if he does get in, to answer your question, he is a Manhattan social, proud social liberal. Competent but somewhat of a nanny stator. And, you know, who would that hurt? Not us because that's not what we're about.
GLENN: You look at -- I mean, I personally think if I were on the other side, and I think this is why the media has hammered Romney on his religion but has not said a darn thing about the religious statements of Mike Huckabee. If I were on the other side, I think I would say I want Huckabee to win because I think he would be the most easily marginalized candidate for the left to be able to marginalize the right. How do you feel about Obama? Who do you -- I want Hillary to win because I'm a conservative because I think she's the most -- she's got the most hate on her. Who do you look at and say, gosh, if they're going to elect somebody besides Mike Gravel?
MATALIN: Let me agree with you and augment that so the two of us together, the sum of our parts is greater than our whole here.
GLENN: Now Mary Matalin is talking about my parts. I mean, this is disturbing.
MATALIN: I love men who go right to the entendre.
MATALIN: They are wrong about Huckabee, the mainstream press and Romney. I love this. The mainstream media is a cult, not Mormonism, and I really appreciate what you've been saying about his faith. And they are wrong about being marginalized because of his faith. What he could be marginalized for and should be is his zero lack of security experience or knowledge or feel-for in the world at war and that you and I know the number one problem, that will marginalize him. I want to run against Hillary, they are all full of hate. Hate, hate, hate, change and hate. There are people who are done hating Bush and they will go hate something else because she is a liberal. To them they think we use it as a cussword but it's a classic -- it will be a classic confrontation between the liberal philosophy of big government, higher taxes, all the rest of it and hopefully we will resume to being conservative as opposed to, you know, we're kind of trying to be moderate and walk down the middle of the road here which is where you get run over. So I like her because it sets up a classic confrontation and he will be marginalized not for anything other than his lack of foreign policy experience in a tumultuous time.
GLENN: Mary Matalin, best of luck to you.
MATALIN: Yeah, get better. Get your own Whoopi cushion.
GLENN: Love you more than life itself.
MATALIN: Love you, bye-bye.
GLENN: Mary Matalin, I don't know how she does it, how she eats breakfast with that man every day, but she does.