by Michael Graham
GLENN: So Michael Graham claims to be a friend of mine. He has a new book out: That's No Angry Mob. That's My Mom: Team Obama's Assault on the Tea Party Talk Radio Americans by Michael Graham and on the cover it says Michael Graham uses his wit and humor like a club to give the arrogant left the beatdown they deserve.
GRAHAM: Who made that brilliant comment? What insightful American leader make that comment?
GLENN: That's my question. I never made that. It says my name under it.
GRAHAM: Yeah, Glenn Beck of Rye, New York, he's a nice guy. He runs a little pizzeria. He is a great guy. Can I read you something else out of the book, Glenn Beck?
GRAHAM: There is a good reason why we should have an exemption to the free speech protected by the First Amendment. That's Huffington Post founder Arianna Huffington talking about you. Finally she got something right. It's amazing because I know Arianna and she's usually a kook.
GLENN: It's amazing how and you do chronicle this quite well on the beatdown that they are, that they are giving the American people.
GLENN: I mean, Barack Obama is still doing it. I think that Nancy Pelosi walking through the tea party was yet I mean, do you think it was a coincidence she was carrying a hammer?
GRAHAM: It was such a perfect metaphor for the treatment of typical Americans who just want answers to questions. And they came to the end of the healthcare debate and they said, we're not going to answer questions, we're not going to explain the math, we're not going to tell you how the $500 billion can be cut and saved and shared and spent on lottery tickets. We're just going to pass it. We don't care what the poll numbers say. It was a perfect moment. There's one other moment you probably remember, Glenn. Remember during the Scott Brown election in Massachusetts when the attorney general, the Democrat was running. She went to D.C. for a big fundraiser, and a reporter from the Weekly Standard came and wanted to ask her a question and she he asked a question, a very legitimate question about terrorism. She goes, next question, please. Totally blows him off. He tries to join the press following her and one of her handlers shoves him to the ground. He tries to get up, he shoves them again and again and again. We ran that videotape and we played the audio on my radio show. I recount it in the book because I think that that image of a citizen just asking, hey, explain what you're doing for America, they are being shoved to the ground over and over and over again, that is the metaphor of the Obama elite's treatment of the American voter.
GLENN: Why are they doing it?
GRAHAM: Power. What else? I mean, why do politicians, why do birds suddenly appear every time
GLENN: No, but I mean, seriously.
GLENN: What is their
GRAHAM: Do you know what it's like to wake up every day embarrassed to be an American? Have you ever traveled in Europe with a good weenie lefty Cambridge type and have them tell people in other countries they were from Canada because they are embarrassed to be from America? Embarrassed to be from America? Oh, the Iraq war or whatever. We have poor people or whatever. They want to wake up one day and not be embarrassed by being an American. So they have to turn America into a place they want to live: France. There are a loft things I'm willing to do for America. I'm not willing to turn French. I'm not going to stop bathing and start dating women who don't shave their armpits.
GLENN: With you is there something more insidious
GRAHAM: What's more insidious than turning us into France? That's as insidious as it gets.
GLENN: Turning us I think the bright side at this point is turning us into Japan.
GRAHAM: No kidding.
GLENN: That would be the bright side now, something that doesn't collapse but doesn't have any growth to it whatsoever. The
GRAHAM: Can I ask you a question?
GLENN: May I
GRAHAM: I'm sorry.
GLENN: Pat, have you ever heard
GRAHAM: Am I not on the air?
GLENN: I mean, maybe I'll do the interview with you, Pat. So tell me about this book. What do you think of this book?
PAT: It's not very good.
PAT: And I really like it. It took me about 15 minutes to write. What is it, like 100 pages?
GLENN: I don't know.
PAT: I wasn't paying much attention.
GLENN: I read the cover. It has my name on it and I figure that's the best part of it. Okay. So here's, here's this is what I'm asking you, Michael, is, is there something more insidious with the constant beatdown? Do you think that the tea partiers are being set up for anything?
GRAHAM: Of course. They are being attacked on every turn. You know, I don't know if the dopes in Washington are smart enough to do the kind of setup, you know, trick. I think we want to believe that we're dealing with Ocean's Eleven, you know, but in fact we're dealing with, you know, Colonel Klink. I mean, they just take opportunities to kick us in the
GLENN: I don't think so.
PAT: It's the opposite for me. I want to believe we're dealing with Colonel Klink and I'm afraid the opposite is true.
GRAHAM: Have you listened to these idiots?
PAT: Yeah, yeah.
GRAHAM: Remember something. Remember something.
PAT: Them being idiots and the best possible scenario right now.
GRAHAM: Can I recommend the book Arguing With Idiots by the way?
GRAHAM: It's an outstanding book
GLENN: It's very good.
GRAHAM: It's a great, great book. No, think about this. November of 2008. They got a name. President Obama is basically Apollo Creed in Rocky 1. Untouchable, wins everything. Everyone says, why even fight the guy? It's over. Then this little thing, this little tea party thing and they were counting the book, the first one that came out in Seattle before even
GLENN: I didn't know that. Did you know that?
GRAHAM: Rick Santelli's rant was not the beginning. There was one just before that. Just a woman who had never been in politics called the Seattle city government and said, where do you do protests? I wonder what happened to the protests. So the day of the signing of the stimulus, she has a rally. And then Rick Santelli.
GLENN: How many people went?
GLENN: That's amazing.
GRAHAM: All Facebook, all mad about the stimulus package.
GLENN: How old was she?
GRAHAM: She's mid 30s or early maybe late 20s.
GRAHAM: She was a former comedian.
GRAHAM: She was a a city job.
GLENN: In Seattle?
GRAHAM: A totally normal, nonpolitical person.
PAT: And this was before Santelli?
GRAHAM: Before Santelli. It's in the book, That's No Angry Mob. That's My Mom. And so no, but seriously.
PAT: Is there a website?
GRAHAM: So you go to
GLENN: Don't ask him. Yes, there is.
GRAHAM: Do not even push me towards that. I am one step away from ShamWow, okay? I'm telling you. I will work just like a whore in a China I have no
GLENN: It's in Chapter 3 of, That's No Angry Mob. That's My Mom. Team Obama's Assault on Tea Party Talk Radio Americans. But wait, there's more.
GRAHAM: There's more, exactly.
GRAHAM: So you think about that. You got this nothing, this tea party thing and they were mocked and then something happens in April and I'm on the Boston harbor with my goofy tricorner hat on which the cast and I'm mocked for that. "The Boston Globe" Democrat didn't even cover the Boston tea party in their own town. They ran a story, I'm not kidding, Dateline Frankfurt, Kentucky. The only stories they ran in Boston in Kentucky are stories about guys who actually shoot their friend while trying to shoot a beer can off his head. So they run this they keep treating us like we're a joke. Then here we are this weekend, Glenn. We fought them to a standstill, we forced them into the last few votes. They were down to the three congressmen who had to limp in with their arms in slings to vote while their wives were in the gallery above the congressional signs: Remember, they've got our children. I mean, they were that desperate to win. This is Rocky 1. Novice going to be Rocky 2. November is going to be the time we take them out.
GLENN: So the thing, though, on the tea party this weekend was all you heard about was how racist everyone was. There was no, there was no real coverage.
PAT: Oh, they heckled the poor Democratic congress.
GRAHAM: Did you hear that?
PAT: They heckled them. They were heckled.
GRAHAM: On MSNBC they had a couple of congressmen going, and they were shouting, kill the bill!
GRAHAM: The same people who had Bush Hitler signs two years ago.
GLENN: Who is this Bill they speak of that everybody wants killed.
GRAHAM: Given that we didn't see the bill until three days before, it's a really good question.
GLENN: I think you bring up a good point. At the same time there was another rally that was going on in Washington D.C. and they were carrying signs that said... you have no idea?
GRAHAM: No idea.
GLENN: I heard you say it this morning. Maybe it was another guest I heard on another show that was interesting.
GRAHAM: It must not have been me no, I'm sorry, that wasn't this morning. The antiwar protests.
GRAHAM: That were right in the heart of, you know, after President Bush's election, we're going to Iraq. Downtown San Francisco, 100,000 Looney lefties, huge sign that says, we support our troops, when they kill their officers, assign to murder them. I was on the Bill Maher whack job TV show and I got them to flash the sign because the guests didn't believe it was real and their first answer was, well, you can't answer for a couple of fringe kooks. How about a 9/11 Birther who was a former Marxist who was working in the White House? That's not a fringe kook. That's Van Jones and the administration until Glenn Beck kicked him out. How about a woman that says Chairman Mao is one of her favorite philosophers? That's not a fringe kook. That's not some lunatic who's half liquored up on the edge of a mob screaming something stupid. That is the heart of team Obama and I refuse to back down on telling the truth because one out of literally 30,000 people says something stupid. They call us racists
GLENN: And not even stupid. Just offensive. Very, very offensive. You know, if anybody was out there, you know, using racist language and calling, just, you're offensive.
GRAHAM: Of course you are an idiot.
GLENN: You're offensive.
PAT: Of course it happened but we don't have any evidence of it. We don't have any evidence of it.
GLENN: I'm not surprised that it did happen just like because look, there are idiots and bad people on in all walks of life.
PAT: Sure there, absolutely.
GRAHAM: But never before has a math test gone like this: Excuse me, please explain how you are going to cut Medicare by half a trillion dollars but make it better. Answer: Hey, wasn't there a bigot 45 feet away from you yelling? Okay, is this the trainly Chicago one? Because I hate the trainly Chicago one. Answer the damn question. You know why my mom who is the nicest, sweetest person the idea, by the way, when Janet Napolitano called my mom a domestic terrorist, all I could say is, oh, you tried her meatloaf, too, I see. My mom is the nice
GLENN: She really called your mom
GRAHAM: She called all the tea partiers
GLENN: Oh, okay.
GRAHAM: potential domestic terrorists.
GRAHAM: This is the point I keep trying to make to the name callers in the mainstream media. Do you even know any of these people? Do you know the plumber guy who showed up and said, I just have a question about healthcare, please? Do you know my mom? Do you know the retirees, do you know the college students? They don't know these people.
GLENN: Well, it's amazing that they have no idea who the terrorists are. They want to understand the terrorists but they just want to shout and call names of people, you know, who stand up at tea they want to call them terrorists.
GLENN: Meanwhile they are taking real terrorists and releasing them.
GRAHAM: In all seriousness right now if you left it up to Rahm Emanuel, every Al Qaeda member would be out of Gitmo and they would be replaced by a tea party attendee, it wouldn't stop with 30 million
GLENN: I think you are real close to that real lick because I've got to go to a break but let me ask you this. You said that there is evidence over and over again that we're right.
GLENN: But, you know
GRAHAM: The more we're right, the more we get ignored. Name an issue since Reagan's election that the left has gotten right. Name one, a major one. I spent I quizzed people, I interviewed people. Couldn't find one. Meanwhile since President Obama's been elected, name one where the tea partiers were wrong, that said the stimulus package wouldn't work, been a disaster, Cash For Clunkers, a joke, disaster. Obama said he was going to raise taxes on regular people, shocker, disaster. I remember when they were calling him a when the press was calling the president a socialist and bragging about it. Then the tea party people called him a socialist and it became the N word. Then today what do we have? Al Sharpton admitted it, this is a plan toward socialism. The tea partiers were right all along. All the left can do is call them names and insult them because they can't answer a question.
GLENN: So the solution to this, Michael?
GRAHAM: November. This fight is not over. This fight is just beginning. I know there's a chance, Glenn, but I believe we can win this. I really believe.
PAT: How does November help, though? That's what I'm stumped on.
GLENN: Hang on, hang on. I've got to take a break. We'll be back in just a second.
GLENN: Welcome back to the program. Michael Graham is here. He's got a new book: That's No Angry Mob. That's My Mom. And it's about the tea partiers. No, it's actually more about the, it's more about the media.
GLENN: And the media and how they're just relentlessly painting the tea party group into an angry mob. And
GRAHAM: You know you are all through the book. You are everywhere. People are talking about you in the book, they are insulting you in the book. You are everywhere in the book. There's photos of you, the sheep. It's very interesting. It's a great
GLENN: Don't think we should talk about that. I want to pick it back up
GLENN: Where because you said the answer is November.
GLENN: Pat is a naysayer on that and in some ways so am I.
PAT: Well, here's, here's my problem with November and I you know, I'm all about November, too. I want to, I want to win back the majority in the House, but they are not going there's just no way that they will win such a majority that they can override vetoes.
GRAHAM: Well, here's my
PAT: So even if they get the majority in the House, they are not going to get the majority in the Senate. We know that. There's 18 up for grabs. They will win some of those. They are going to lose some of those. You know, you might see 53/47 or whatever but it's still going to be a Democrat majority. So how do you get any repeal the bill through and especially one that would override a veto with a 2/3 majority?
GRAHAM: Well, couple of things. First of all, Scott Brown was riding the wave. November is going to be the tea party tsunami. There will be the crushed and broken political bodies of Democrats scattered
PAT: So you are going to say we win a 2/3 majority?
GRAHAM: I'm not saying that we're going to win enough to overturn it right then.
GRAHAM: I'm simply saying that the way you change politicians' behavior, is to make them wet themselves.
GLENN: But don't you think
GRAHAM: When they see seats going, they are going to wet themselves.
GLENN: They have already seen that. They have already seen that.
GRAHAM: It's all theory right now.
GLENN: No, no, no. Scott Brown.
GRAHAM: Yeah. Scott Brown, Virginia, New Jersey, these folks need a 2 by 4 to the side of the lesson and then they will be wobbling toward 2012. But look, we have launched the economic equivalent of the abortion debate right now. This is going to go on for years. This is in every part of your fiscal policy as a government. There's going to be a million fights. Guess what gets to happen in the next six months. Glenn Beck and Michael Graham and others are going to have the best radio they ever had because every day people are going to hear what's really in the bill and they are going to go holy, expletive deleted, every day.
GLENN: What's amazing is I just figured this out today. Sometimes I'm just the dumbest man in America. I just figured this out today. Do you know why none of this stuff starts until 2013, 2014?
GRAHAM: Pay the bill.
GLENN: Because they want to be able to say not just pay the bill. Because they are not going to pay the bill. You know and I know they are going to take that money and they are going to apply it some place else and there will be an IOU there.
GLENN: So it will be way over cost by the day we start. It's to, it's to make it's to discredit anybody like you and me and Pat and Stu and anybody else that is on every day saying this is going to be horrendous, horrendous. They are going to say, "Well, my doctor hasn't changed. I still get to keep my doctor." The stupid people are going to say, "Well, it's not that bad." It slowly phases in because if you just turn this on, you'd notice how hot the water is.
GRAHAM: You might be right but then there's also the Massachusetts model. As you know, we have thanks to Mitt Romney ObamaCare already in place.
GLENN: I know.
GRAHAM: Forget the government action. Forget the exploding budget problems. Our premiums are jumping up for our regular insurance 20, 25, 30%. The insurance companies are looking at the bills and being stuck with this saying, we have to stay in business. BlueCross BlueShield Massachusetts just lost $150 million or so last year in the middle of these big profits because they are getting crushed by the requirements of ObamaCare in Massachusetts.
GLENN: Is that why Scott Brown won? Because people know what this healthcare thing is in Massachusetts?
GRAHAM: They have looked into the dark soul and they are scared.
GLENN: Yeah. The name of the book is That's No Angry Mob. That's My Mom: Team Obama's Assault on Tea Party Talk Radio Americans, a great book by Michael Graham, no relation to Lindsey Graham so you know you can trust him. Michael Graham, thanks for being on the program. See you in a minute.