by Marcus Luttrell
GLENN: Marcus Luttrell is here in New York, and he doesn't stick out at all walking the streets in New York. Not in the least. Welcome to the program.
LUTTRELL: Thank you, sir.
GLENN: How are you, sir?
GLENN: Marcus came over to the house last night and we had some birthday cake, and his dogs -- or his dog tried to play with my dogs and my dogs didn't play nice with yours.
LUTTRELL: Didn't turn out too well.
GLENN: No, it didn't, in the end. But I just want to point out that your male dog was really, you know, being bullied by my female dog. Saying she's more of an alpha.
PAT: Do you have a sissy dog, Marcus? Is that what it is?
GLENN: That's what I'm saying.
LUTTRELL: Either that or just kind of bowing down to the whole woman thing.
GLENN: Is that what it is? Showing respect. Showing respect. Okay. So Marcus.
LUTTRELL: It's your house, you don't walk into a woman's house.
PAT: Good point. Good spin on that.
LUTTRELL: Trying to stick up for my man here.
GLENN: Marcus is, of course, the author of one of the most incredible books you will ever read, "The Lone Survivor" and has done more in probably two years of his life than most of us would do in two lifetimes. And just a guy that I just really respect and honor. And of course is a Texan. What is it like in Texas right now? I had Rudy Giuliani. I passed him in the hallway and he said boy Texas. He had just gotten back. And I said Texas it's on fire, isn't it? It's a different world? He said oh my gosh it's just different, it's a different place.
LUTTRELL: It's always like that. Asking a Texan what Texas is like, you're not really going to get a bad answer for me.
GLENN: What I'm asking you is with everything that's going on, especially down by the border, I mean, it's starting to spill over and all the things that they said could never happen or would never happen are now starting to happen.
LUTTRELL: Yes. We are having some problems with that. I mean, a lot of the drug cartels, you know, they're getting more bold, more brazen. And they are coming over into our area. I'll tell you who is having a lot of problems are the cattle farmers and the ranchers and stuff like that, especially on the borders, because those drug cartels and stuff like that are pushing across. It's not like they're going to come right across the border in a car saying I'm here to deliver my drugs. They're going through the back entrance, using those ranches and it's really hard on them sometimes because they usually give them one or two options. They're like, look, we're going to come through here either way. You can either -- we can pay you to come through here or you can turn a blind eye or we'll kill you. And farmers are farmers, they're not gunfighters. They don't know what to do. They throw the whole threat on them: You go across or anything we know where you live, where your family lives. Kind of back people into a corner like that, what are you going to do?
GLENN: Exactly, what are you going to do, Pat, if you were in that situation? I mean, I don't know what I would do. I think I would just first turn a blind eye.
PAT: The first thing they do they turn to the government who is supposed to be protecting them and protecting the border.
GLENN: And they're not.
PAT: And they're not. So they look to the federal government whose responsibility it is. They don't do anything about it. Then they go to the state. They don't do much about it. The last resort is what Arvin West said, arm yourself. Arm yourself.
LUTTRELL: Even though it's escalating I'm going to stick up for my Texas government real fast. I gotta a lot of friends on the Border Patrol and stuff, it's so dynamic that the enemy -- because they don't have to follow any rules and stuff like that. And being with the government and stuff like that we have to follow a whole bunch of rules to get everything in place.
GLENN: Yeah, but when people aren't following the rules, you change the rules of the game. For instance, what was the story that you told me this morning where the guys are coming across in environmentally protected areas. Who was that?
PAT: Yeah, that wasn't me.
GLENN: That wasn't you? They're coming across in environmentally protected areas, and what they're doing is they're seeing these places where they're no-go zones for people. Well, all of the illegal aliens know that. They know that there's nobody patrolling, so they're going in through these environmentally protected areas and they're coming through with just a clear path for them. You know, it's time that you say, well, they're environmentally protected and you don't want humans in there, then you should get the humans out of there. And I'm sorry, but illegal aliens are still humans. Hello. Aren't you the ones always trying to tell us that? I mean, you gotta change the rules.
LUTTRELL: I think a prime example are those two Border Patrol agents who got thrown in prison for when they killed that drug dealer.
GLENN: Ramos and Company.
PAT: Didn't kill him, just wounded him.
LUTTRELL: In the butt.
GLENN: And he was given medical treatment.
PAT: Free. At the expense of the United States --
LUTTRELL: I'm not 100 percent certain but didn't he get caught again for running drugs.
GLENN: Yes, several times.
LUTTRELL: That's pretty squared away there.
PAT: Not once, but twice, let him go both times.
GLENN: So Marcus, what happens if things really started to melt down? I mean, because I've honestly, I thought about moving to Texas. Pat's trying to convince me to move to Texas. We're moving at some point. We're moving. But I keep saying Texas is going to be surrounded. I mean, you need a giant moat of fire, and luckily you have enough oil there to pour it around the state of Texas and light it on fire. But hang on a second, wouldn't that be great.
PAT: That's really not a bad idea.
GLENN: That would really piss them off, wouldn't it? You need a moat, because if push comes to shove, the only state that I could see that would say, if nullification doesn't stand, if I can't nullify the things that you're doing to us, then we secede, because Texans are serious about secession. You would secede. You'll have the Feds coming. You'll have a flood going from America into Texas, both the people that would support you. I met a doctor and his wife, both from Seattle. Very, very top of the food chain surgeons in Seattle. He told me, what was it, Friday or two weeks ago I saw him, and he said we're moving. He said we're currently trying to get our medical license in Texas, because we're not going to be the last doctors standing here fighting for freedom. We'll go to Texas where we know we won't be alone.
LUTTRELL: I think if it gets real bad and everything, like you said, it starts flooding over our borders and innocent people start dying and.
PAT: Well, they already are.
LUTTRELL: Exactly. In the maximum capacity like you're talking about where it really gets bad. And it's going to be a call to arms. That's the only way you can to prevent that from happening.
GLENN: I mean, this is really -- this is the -- there's one thing about picking up arms and defending yourself or picking up arms and going against the government or whatever. There's another thing about picking up arms to defend your own land and family. I mean, you have a right to defend your own land and family and when these ranchers have illegals, they have a right to defense. And if that's what's happening in Texas, I mean God forbid any of this happens, but how do you argue that you don't have a right to do that?
PAT: I don't think you can. I don't think you can argue it. But our mindset all along has been even -- when we sent the 6,000 National Guard troops to the border for that short amount of time they were mostly auto mechanics, fixing Jeeps, they weren't even armed on the border, they left their rifles behind then there was a mechanics San invasion, a Zeta force that overran one of the National Guard patrol stations, and they were under orders, under their rules of engagement, to leave. So they abandoned their post and left it to the attackers and called the border agents to come and protect the National Guard. Doesn't make any sense.
GLENN: How does a Navy Seal look at that and say what the hell is that? I won't put you on the spot.
LUTTRELL: I won't say that over the air but....
GLENN: Marcus, I'll tell you what.
LUTTRELL: I didn't know about that. I know about the Zetas and most of them are prior military, have prior military experience.
GLENN: I believe trained by us.
LUTTRELL: And one of the things -- you know, if you put -- my whole idea on this whole thing is if once -- this is obviously my opinion. Once the politicians have exhausted every effort and done everything they can do to keep us from going over there or doing what we have to do and they finally put us in there and say, hey, this is what needs to be done then you don't have any say in what we do anymore. I mean, we're professionals in what we do. I mean, done it 12 years, training every day, trained every day 12 to 15 hours a day on how to fight. You don't go into a hospital and say, hey, doc I don't think that's the right way to work on my heart. Rape prevention and robbery we don't mess around with that. So we know what we're doing, we're not murderers or anything like that. But we do know how to fight.
GLENN: That's the problem. Too many people in Congress think fighting is murder. Partial birth abortion is not murder, but sending somebody to war, well, we've got murderers now that we're trying to oversee. Back in just a second.
GLENN: 888-727-BECK. 888-727-BECK. I just want to get an update from Marcus Luttrell, "The Lone Survivor," on his dog. I don't want to bringing up any painful memories here. But Daisy was Marcus's dog. How long has it been? Almost a year now?
LUTTRELL: April 1st was a year.
GLENN: We'll tell the story, if you can.
LUTTRELL: Like we said, it was April 1st of last year. It was about 2:00 in the morning, I guess. I was watching TV. I hear a gunshot go off. I immediately come out of the house and kind of circle around the house, just doing a cursory sweep, if you will. And then I run across down the way a little bit, run across my mom's house, run in there make sure she's okay. Because it sounded like it was really, really close. As I come out the side door around the fence I look down to our front gate, 100, 150 yards from where I was standing I could see some headlights on the backside of the trees and I could hear some people laughing and stuff like that. So I skirt the tree line. I crawl underneath the fence. As I come around the corner there's a car sitting there. Two people standing that I could see laughing, and then I could see my dog laying in the ditch. I set there for a second, assessing the situation. They jumped in the car and took off. I ran up and kicked her in the butt see if she was dead or alive. If she was alive I was going to take her to the vet, obviously. She was dead. I could see the blood trail and stuff like that where she ran and tried to get away. And then immediately ran and got in my truck. I caught them about a mile and a half down the road.
GLENN: We played the 911 call. Do we still have that, Stu? We played the 911 call where you were on the road doing like 100 miles an hour. And they were like, sir, please don't pursue. Please don't pursue. You're like I do this for a living. And so they went to -- they were in jail for a while. And they're going to trial. And it was supposed to happen this week, was it not.
LUTTRELL: April 5th.
GLENN: And there was a knee surgery I guess with the judge or --
LUTTRELL: Defense attorney had knee surgery.
GLENN: When does it actually go to trial?
LUTTRELL: I heard sometime in May they're supposed to get back to --
GLENN: What are they charged with? Animal cruelty.
LUTTRELL: Animal cruelty. To a non-livestock animal which I think carries a little bit more weight.
GLENN: If you kill a dog in Texas, that's a pretty severe penalty in Texas.
LUTTRELL: , yes, sir. The other thing about it is from what I heard from the court system is that at first -- well, at first they weren't going to charge anybody. I get a phone call saying they were trying to cop a plea, that their lawyer ponied them up to join the military instead.
GLENN: Oh, geez.
LUTTRELL: And that was kind of an insult. I was like put them in the Marine Corps. I've got a lot of buddies in the Marines. I don't want anybody like that standing side by side we're in a war.
GLENN: I don't want anybody like that watching the back of a family member.
LUTTRELL: Wind up killing the dang bomb dog.
GLENN: We'll stay in touch with you and we'll follow this on television and radio as it goes to court. Marcus, I get mail about you all the time. America just loves you and thanks you for your service and your fellow brothers in the Seals.
LUTTRELL: I appreciate it, sir. Thanks. Thanks for having me out. It's always a pleasure.