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GLENN: I brought David Barton in from Wall Builders because I really, truly believe that David Barton is he's a guy who I really think has been put in a in his place, in his position for a reason and, you know, David, everybody has a time and I have a feeling your time is coming. I don't know what your role is. I don't know what you're going to be doing, but my gut tells me you are one of the most important men in America for this message today.
Do you feel that at all? Not the self aggrandizement stuff but do you feel that something's coming?
BARTON: Yes. Something is definitely coming and the type of message I carry is really an old message. I mean, it's a 2, 3, 400 year old message in America and this is the right time for it.
GLENN: Okay. So, I wanted to tomorrow we're going to introduce the audience to Samuel Adams for an hour on television and he's an amazing man. When you learn about Samuel Adams, you'll be, like, my gosh, what? I mean, you learn stuff about the Massachusetts Constitution, separation of church and state. No, no, no, no, no, no. Federal, Federal, they said, we can't do anything Federal, but in states? My gosh. You read the State Constitution of Massachusetts and you would have no idea that this was the way things were. Correct?
BARTON: That's exactly right. And that State Constitution in Massachusetts, interestingly enough, is the only Constitution in the world that has been in active operation longer than the U.S. Constitution.
GLENN: Give me a give me a couple of lines from it, if I can put you on the spot.
BARTON: Well, there's several great lines in it. There's two things with the Constitution. First is John Adams came out with a letter to tell the people of Massachusetts, here's what we're about to do and the letter that accompanied the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 and it says we can't do this without God, we rely on him, and it goes through a bunch of what they call evangelical principles of piety religion. So, that was their term. Then as you get through the Constitution, they start off by saying because these are so important for government, we authorize any of the of localities across the state that pay for religious teachers it doesn't matter what denomination, you choose your denomination
GLENN: This is Barnie Franks' state.
BARTON: Oh, yeah. And this is the position they chose to ignore when they started all this four or five years ago, but this Constitution is still in place and they talk even about how they fund Harvard because it is an institution of Christian (for Massachusetts and.
BARTON: It's an amazing document. It is. It's amazing.
GLENN: Okay. I wanted to have you on because I am and I don't even know where this goes from here. I really don't. But I feel like we are at a time where America better learn about George Whitfield and others like him
BARTON: Yeah, yeah.
GLENN: I didn't know (this part of American history until rather recently. 1740, George Whitfield comes to America and he is looking at people's wedge wood China and he says, (my gosh, these people are wore shopping the golden calf
GLENN: And we were in a place, like where we were even three years ago, where God didn't nothing mattered and it's just about, you know, enriching yourself and greed and everything else and America was a very different place. It was going into a dark period and then there was a revival, mainly because of him and where did that lead? What did he do and where did that lead?
BARTON: What he did was he carried a message across America that really turned people back to their spiritual roots. That was how America was founded. They had forgotten that. They were so prosperous at that point in time. They had forgotten what made them prosperous and so they were worshipping the prosperity rather than the cause of the prosperity which had been their religious faith. So, he takes them back to their faith. It was really radical at the time because he transcended all the lines, all the barriers. He did things that have never before been done. He was heartily criticized by religious leaders but he wanted people back to
GLENN: Hang on. You said heartily.
GLENN: Not hardly
BARTON: No. Heartily. That's right.
GLENN: And he was a guy who and it's amazing when I read this, he was a guy who tried to bring everybody together
GLENN: And said forget your denominations. Let's go back to the root and he was really focused on Moses. And let's go back to the root of where we of where we were and who we are and this land is the land of milk and honey and when he started to do, because he didn't have a church, if you will, he didn't I mean, he was going around and giving sermons in the open air, sometimes up to 30,000
BARTON: 30,000. That's right.
GLENN: How did people even hear him?
BARTON: That's Franklin has a great piece in this because Franklin was a sign test and he (saw the 30,000 crowd. He said he started backing away from whit field to see how far away he could get and still hear him and once he calculated that radius, he then calculated, okay, how many people could fit in this arc and he said 100,000 people could have easily heard whit field without any amp MRI if I indication.
GLENN: I tell you, that is I have a booming voice. I know how to project. I have project in 3, 4, 5,000 seat theaters, but those theaters are made to amplify your voice
BARTON: That's right. That's right.
GLENN: Not outside. I don't even know how that happened.
BARTON: Well, Franklin said to that point in time he had always gathered the accounts of the classics that Roman generals would get their Army around them and talk to them, 30, 40,000 soldiers. He said, after hearing Whitfield, he knew that that, of the of Romans was actually accurate.
GLENN: And when he was doing this, in an account I just read this weekend I love this he had to pay for all of this himself.
BARTON: He did
GLENN: And he was selling he was selling copies of his sermons, but he also sold what do they call it? I can't remember what they called it now, but it was, like what came to mind was, like, T shirts.
GLENN: Like a concert. What was he selling?
BARTON: Well, he was self funded and it's free entire prize.
GLENN: Oh, I know.
BARTON: And the cool thing is, the relationship the first time religious leaders and it's because it is a scriptural concept. So, if you take the scripture away from free enterprise, now you go greed and corruption, you get business going in a bad direction and if you separate the spiritual side and the character size of free enterprise, then you get this
GLENN: That we're in now.
BARTON: That's exactly right. You take the religious character out of business, now you're back to Europe and that's what they were fighting.
GLENN: So, now you just get it so much. I want to take a break and when we come back, I want to lay out a little bit of the black robe brigade, what it was and there's no organization here, there's no and there wasn't back in the revolution, but they played a huge role and I think we just have to teach people what this is and then let the spirit dictate what they do with it, but a piece of history that you've never heard before, most likely, and the role it played and is there a place for it today? Back in a second.
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GLENN: David Barton from Wall Builders is with me. He is he's a guy who has the largest private collection of documents and letters and papers from the founding of our country, pre 1812, 1820? 1812
BARTON: Uh huh.
GLENN: The largest collection in private hands in the world. I think you're only real rivaled really by Library of Congress, aren't you?
BARTON: Well, that's not rivaled. They are so far out in front.
GLENN: Yeah. I know. So, David, we were talking about the way to the way our founders set our country
GLENN: Was the people starting in 1740 had a revival and they, they changed as a people and it was really led by the pastors and the preachers and everybody else. The black robe brigade, as we talked about last night, in a nutshell was a pastors just choosing to teach people correct principles
BARTON: That's right.
GLENN: It's not happening in America anymore par bar no.
GLENN: Tell me the difference. What do pastors, priests, preachers, rabbis, everything, not policy liquors, because I would walk out of a church that is telling me how to vote, what do they need to be teaching and focus on?
BARTON: Well, this is where it's really fun to go back with those old documents because we have thousands and thousands of those pages of sermons that shaped the American revolution. One was a great sermon on taxes from 1766 after the stamp act. The stamp act came down. Charles /TALTS tee said, okay, what does the Bible say about taxes? Because here's what scripture says about tax policy. They did the same thing on governments. They did the same thing on military.
GLENN: Do you have do you have online access to any of this?
BARTON: Yes. We have a lot of these posted online. We have a lot of their sermons up, but the difference is they would talk about anything that was in the newspaper, they would comment from a scriptural perspective. So, I have sermons (of theirs on (earthquakes and fires and floods and railroads, you name it. See, today what's happened, the IRS has really kind of squeezed pastors into a little bitty (the government deals with and, as a matter of fact, one of the national guys I know really well has a team of attorneys and they're told by IRS that they can't even talk about something that might become a political issue. How do you know what is might going to become? And so now you've got the government telling the people what they can and can't say from the pulpit? Give me a break.
GLENN: What is your web site?
BARTON: Wallbuilders.com, sermons up.
GLENN: America, I just wanted you to think about this. I want you to talk to your spiritual leaders, if you're a spiritual leaders, I want you to think about it. David and I are going to start working together on a few things that, you know, maybe we can, through BECK UNIVERSITY or through the America revival or whatever, we're going to start teaching some of these things and making this stuff available because this is the key, this is truly the key. By the way, the America Revival, where David Barton teaches the first hour of it and it is phenomenal, it's a I think it's a seven hour program. It's phenomenal. We have added another city. We're going to announce that coming up at the top of the hour. It will go on sale but it's one of the of last stops of the America Revival. We'll give that to you in just a second. And we'll see you tomorrow for founders Fridays, David Barton.