Glenn interviews David Barton



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GLENN: I brought David Barton in from Wall Builders because I really, truly believe that David Barton is he's a guy who I really think has been put in a in his place, in his position for a reason and, you know, David, everybody has a time and I have a feeling your time is coming. I don't know what your role is. I don't know what you're going to be doing, but my gut tells me you are one of the most important men in America for this message today.

Do you feel that at all? Not the self aggrandizement stuff but do you feel that something's coming?

BARTON: Yes. Something is definitely coming and the type of message I carry is really an old message. I mean, it's a 2, 3, 400 year old message in America and this is the right time for it.

GLENN: Okay. So, I wanted to tomorrow we're going to introduce the audience to Samuel Adams for an hour on television and he's an amazing man. When you learn about Samuel Adams, you'll be, like, my gosh, what? I mean, you learn stuff about the Massachusetts Constitution, separation of church and state. No, no, no, no, no, no. Federal, Federal, they said, we can't do anything Federal, but in states? My gosh. You read the State Constitution of Massachusetts and you would have no idea that this was the way things were. Correct?

BARTON: That's exactly right. And that State Constitution in Massachusetts, interestingly enough, is the only Constitution in the world that has been in active operation longer than the U.S. Constitution.

GLENN: Give me a give me a couple of lines from it, if I can put you on the spot.

BARTON: Well, there's several great lines in it. There's two things with the Constitution. First is John Adams came out with a letter to tell the people of Massachusetts, here's what we're about to do and the letter that accompanied the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 and it says we can't do this without God, we rely on him, and it goes through a bunch of what they call evangelical principles of piety religion. So, that was their term. Then as you get through the Constitution, they start off by saying because these are so important for government, we authorize any of the of localities across the state that pay for religious teachers it doesn't matter what denomination, you choose your denomination

GLENN: This is Barnie Franks' state.

BARTON: Oh, yeah. And this is the position they chose to ignore when they started all this four or five years ago, but this Constitution is still in place and they talk even about how they fund Harvard because it is an institution of Christian (for Massachusetts and.

GLENN: Unbelievable

BARTON: It's an amazing document. It is. It's amazing.

GLENN: Okay. I wanted to have you on because I am and I don't even know where this goes from here. I really don't. But I feel like we are at a time where America better learn about George Whitfield and others like him

BARTON: Yeah, yeah.

GLENN: I didn't know (this part of American history until rather recently. 1740, George Whitfield comes to America and he is looking at people's wedge wood China and he says, (my gosh, these people are wore shopping the golden calf


BARTON: Yes.

GLENN: And we were in a place, like where we were even three years ago, where God didn't nothing mattered and it's just about, you know, enriching yourself and greed and everything else and America was a very different place. It was going into a dark period and then there was a revival, mainly because of him and where did that lead? What did he do and where did that lead?

BARTON: What he did was he carried a message across America that really turned people back to their spiritual roots. That was how America was founded. They had forgotten that. They were so prosperous at that point in time. They had forgotten what made them prosperous and so they were worshipping the prosperity rather than the cause of the prosperity which had been their religious faith. So, he takes them back to their faith. It was really radical at the time because he transcended all the lines, all the barriers. He did things that have never before been done. He was heartily criticized by religious leaders but he wanted people back to

GLENN: Hang on. You said heartily.

BARTON: Heartily.

GLENN: Not hardly

BARTON: No. Heartily. That's right.

GLENN: And he was a guy who and it's amazing when I read this, he was a guy who tried to bring everybody together

BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: And said forget your denominations. Let's go back to the root and he was really focused on Moses. And let's go back to the root of where we of where we were and who we are and this land is the land of milk and honey and when he started to do, because he didn't have a church, if you will, he didn't I mean, he was going around and giving sermons in the open air, sometimes up to 30,000

BARTON: 30,000. That's right.

GLENN: How did people even hear him?

BARTON: That's Franklin has a great piece in this because Franklin was a sign test and he (saw the 30,000 crowd. He said he started backing away from whit field to see how far away he could get and still hear him and once he calculated that radius, he then calculated, okay, how many people could fit in this arc and he said 100,000 people could have easily heard whit field without any amp MRI if I indication.

GLENN: I tell you, that is I have a booming voice. I know how to project. I have project in 3, 4, 5,000 seat theaters, but those theaters are made to amplify your voice

BARTON: That's right. That's right.

GLENN: Not outside. I don't even know how that happened.

BARTON: Well, Franklin said to that point in time he had always gathered the accounts of the classics that Roman generals would get their Army around them and talk to them, 30, 40,000 soldiers. He said, after hearing Whitfield, he knew that that, of the of Romans was actually accurate.

GLENN: And when he was doing this, in an account I just read this weekend I love this he had to pay for all of this himself.

BARTON: He did

GLENN: And he was selling he was selling copies of his sermons, but he also sold what do they call it? I can't remember what they called it now, but it was, like what came to mind was, like, T shirts.

BARTON: Right.

GLENN: Like a concert. What was he selling?

BARTON: Well, he was self funded and it's free entire prize.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

BARTON: And the cool thing is, the relationship the first time religious leaders and it's because it is a scriptural concept. So, if you take the scripture away from free enterprise, now you go greed and corruption, you get business going in a bad direction and if you separate the spiritual side and the character size of free enterprise, then you get this

GLENN: That we're in now.

BARTON: That's exactly right. You take the religious character out of business, now you're back to Europe and that's what they were fighting.

GLENN: So, now you just get it so much. I want to take a break and when we come back, I want to lay out a little bit of the black robe brigade, what it was and there's no organization here, there's no and there wasn't back in the revolution, but they played a huge role and I think we just have to teach people what this is and then let the spirit dictate what they do with it, but a piece of history that you've never heard before, most likely, and the role it played and is there a place for it today? Back in a second.

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GLENN: David Barton from Wall Builders is with me. He is he's a guy who has the largest private collection of documents and letters and papers from the founding of our country, pre 1812, 1820? 1812

BARTON: Uh huh.

GLENN: The largest collection in private hands in the world. I think you're only real rivaled really by Library of Congress, aren't you?

BARTON: Well, that's not rivaled. They are so far out in front.

GLENN: Yeah. I know. So, David, we were talking about the way to the way our founders set our country

BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: Was the people starting in 1740 had a revival and they, they changed as a people and it was really led by the pastors and the preachers and everybody else. The black robe brigade, as we talked about last night, in a nutshell was a pastors just choosing to teach people correct principles

BARTON: That's right.

GLENN: It's not happening in America anymore par bar no.

GLENN: Tell me the difference. What do pastors, priests, preachers, rabbis, everything, not policy liquors, because I would walk out of a church that is telling me how to vote, what do they need to be teaching and focus on?

BARTON: Well, this is where it's really fun to go back with those old documents because we have thousands and thousands of those pages of sermons that shaped the American revolution. One was a great sermon on taxes from 1766 after the stamp act. The stamp act came down. Charles /TALTS tee said, okay, what does the Bible say about taxes? Because here's what scripture says about tax policy. They did the same thing on governments. They did the same thing on military.

GLENN: Do you have do you have online access to any of this?

BARTON: Yes. We have a lot of these posted online. We have a lot of their sermons up, but the difference is they would talk about anything that was in the newspaper, they would comment from a scriptural perspective. So, I have sermons (of theirs on (earthquakes and fires and floods and railroads, you name it. See, today what's happened, the IRS has really kind of squeezed pastors into a little bitty (the government deals with and, as a matter of fact, one of the national guys I know really well has a team of attorneys and they're told by IRS that they can't even talk about something that might become a political issue. How do you know what is might going to become? And so now you've got the government telling the people what they can and can't say from the pulpit? Give me a break.

GLENN: What is your web site?

BARTON: Wallbuilders.com, sermons up.

GLENN: America, I just wanted you to think about this. I want you to talk to your spiritual leaders, if you're a spiritual leaders, I want you to think about it. David and I are going to start working together on a few things that, you know, maybe we can, through BECK UNIVERSITY or through the America revival or whatever, we're going to start teaching some of these things and making this stuff available because this is the key, this is truly the key. By the way, the America Revival, where David Barton teaches the first hour of it and it is phenomenal, it's a I think it's a seven hour program. It's phenomenal. We have added another city. We're going to announce that coming up at the top of the hour. It will go on sale but it's one of the of last stops of the America Revival. We'll give that to you in just a second. And we'll see you tomorrow for founders Fridays, David Barton.

The themes of healing and redemption appear throughout the Bible.

Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. — 1 Corinthians 15:43
It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. — Mark 2:17.

So, for many Christians, it's no surprise to hear that people of faith live longer lives.

Heal me, O Lord, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved, for you are my praise. — Jeremiah 17:14.

But it is certainly lovely to hear, and a recent study by a doctoral student at Ohio State University is just one more example of empirical evidence confirming the healing benefits of faith and religious belief.

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Moreover, the study finds that religious belief can lengthen a person's life.

A joyful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones. — Proverbs 17:22
Lord, your discipline is good, for it leads to life and health. You restore my health and allow me to live! — Isaiah 38:16

The study analyzed over 1,000 obituaries nationwide and found that people of faith lived longer than people who were not religious. Laura Wallace, lead author of the study, noted that "religious affiliation had nearly as strong an effect on longevity as gender does, which is a matter of years of life."

The study notes that, "people whose obits mentioned a religious affiliation lived an average of 5.64 years longer than those whose obits did not, which shrunk to 3.82 years after gender and marital status were considered."

And He called to Him His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction. — Matthew 10:1

"The researchers found that part of the reason for the boost in longevity came from the fact that many religiously affiliated people also volunteered and belonged to social organizations, which previous research has linked to living longer. The study provides persuasive evidence that there is a relationship between religious participation and how long a person lives," said Baldwin Way, co-author of the study and associate professor of psychology at Ohio State.

Prayer is good medicine, and faith is a good protector.

In addition, the study showed how the effects of religion on longevity might depend in part on the personality and average religiosity of the cities where people live, Way said.

Prayer is good medicine, and faith is a good protector.

And the power of the Lord was with him to heal. — Luke 5:17
Heal the sick in it and say to them, The kingdom of God has come near to you. — Luke 10:9.

In early June, the Social Security and Medicare trustees released their annual report on the fiscal health of these programs, and the situation looks dire. Medicare is scheduled to run out of money in 2026 (three years sooner than anticipated), while Social Security is expected to run out in 2034. The rising national debt is only one of the well-known financial struggles the millennial generation faces. The burdens of student loan debt, high housing prices (thanks to zoning restrictions), stagnant wage growth, the rising cost of healthcare and lingering aftershocks of the Great Recession are among the biggest sources of economic anxiety millennials feel.

Progressive politicians have been very successful at courting the youth vote, partly because they actually promote policy ideas that address many of these concerns. As unrealistic or counterproductive as Senator Bernie Sanders' proposals for single-payer health care or a $15 an hour minimum wage might be, they feel in theory like they would provide the economic stability and prosperity millennials want.

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Republicans, on the other hand, have struggled to craft a message to address these concerns. Fiscal conservatives recognize, correctly, that the burden of the $20 trillion national debt and over $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities will fall on millennials. Some conservatives have even written books about that fact. But the need to reform entitlements hasn't exactly caught millennials' attention. Pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson, in her book The Selfie Vote, notes that millennials generally view protecting the safety net as more important than reducing the deficit.

Clearly, Republicans have a problem. They need to craft solutions that address the millennial generation's struggles, but they can't seem to sell entitlement reform, their biggest policy preference that addresses those problems. The Republican approach to wooing millennials on policy is failing because talking about stopping the debt from reaching an unsustainable level is long-term and abstract, and offers few immediate tangible benefits. A new approach to both pave the way for entitlement reform and give millennials an immediate financial boost is to first reform not entitlement spending, but the payroll tax: specifically, by partially (or wholly) replacing it with a value-added tax.

Under the current Social Security model, workers pay for the benefits of current retirees through the payroll tax. This system creates the illusion of a pension program, in which what you put in is what you get out, but in reality Social Security is a universal safety net program for the elderly paid for by taxes. The payroll tax falls on workers and is a tax on labor, while the value-added tax (VAT) is a tax on consumption imposed at every part of the production process. Assuming that this policy change is revenue-neutral, switching to a VAT will shift the responsibility for funding Social Security and Medicare away from workers, disproportionately poorer and younger, and onto everyone participating in the economy as a whole. Furthermore, uncoupling Social Security funding from payroll taxes would pave the way for fiscal reforms to transform the program from a universal benefit program to one geared specifically to eliminating old-age poverty, such as means-testing benefits for high-income beneficiaries, indexing benefits to prices rather than wages or changing the retirement age.

Switching from the payroll tax to the VAT would address both conservative and liberal tax policy preferences.

Switching from the payroll tax to the VAT would address both conservative and liberal tax policy preferences. As the Tax Policy Center notes, the change would actually make the tax system more progressive. The current payroll tax is regressive, meaning that people with lower incomes tend to pay a higher effective tax rate than people with higher incomes. On the other hand, the value-added tax is much closer to proportional than the payroll tax, meaning that each income group pays closer to the same effective tax rate.

For Republicans, such a change would fit conservative economic ideas about the long-run causes of economic growth. A value-added tax has a much broader base than the payroll tax, and therefore would allow for much lower marginal tax rates, and lower marginal tax rates mean smaller disincentives to economic activity. According to the Tax Foundation's analysis of a value-added tax, the VAT would be a more economically efficient revenue source than most other taxes currently in the tax code.

Not only would replacing part or all of the payroll tax provide an immediate benefit to millennial taxpayers, it would also open the door for the much-needed entitlement reforms that have been so politically elusive. Furthermore, it would make the tax code both more pro-growth and less regressive. In order to even begin to address the entitlement crisis, win millennial support and stimulate the economy in a fiscally responsible manner, Republicans must propose moving from the payroll tax to the VAT.

Alex Muresianu is a Young Voices Advocate. His writing has appeared in Townhall and The Federalist. He is a federal policy intern at the Tax Foundation. Opinions expressed here are his only and not the views of the Tax Foundation. He can be found on Twitter @ahardtospell.

Glenn was joined by Alanna Sarabia from "Good Morning Texas" at Mercury Studios on Thursday for an exclusive look at Mercury Museum's new "Rights & Responsibilities" exhibit. Open through Father's Day, the temporary museum features artifacts from pop culture, America's founding, World Ward II and more, focusing on the rights and responsibilities America's citizens.

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Watch as Glenn gives a sneak peek at some of the unique artifacts on display below.

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Several months ago, at the Miss Universe competition, two women took a selfie, then posted it on Instagram. The caption read, "Peace and love." As a result of that selfie, both women faced death threats, and one of the women, along with her entire family, had to flee her home country. The occasion was the 2017 Miss Universe competition, and the women were Miss Iraq and Miss Israel. Miss Iraq is no longer welcome in her own country. The government threatened to strip her of her crown. Of course, she was also badgered for wearing a bikini during the competition.

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In an interview, Miss Iraq, Sarah Idan, said:

When I posted the picture I didn't think for a second there would be blowback. I woke up to calls from my family and the Miss Iraq Organization going insane. The death threats I got online were so scary. The director of the Miss Iraq Organization called me and said they're getting heat from the ministry. He said I have to take the picture down or they will strip me of my title.

Yesterday, Miss Iraq, Sarah Idan, posted another selfie with Miss Israel, during a visit to Jerusalem.

In an interview, she said that:

I don't think Iraq and Israel are enemies; I think maybe the governments are enemies with each other. There's a lot of Iraqi people that don't have a problem with Israelis.

This is, of course, quite an understatement: Iraq, home to roughly 15,000 Palestinians, refuses to acknowledge Israel as a legitimate country, as it is technically at war with Israel. The adages says that a picture is worth a thousand words. What are we to do when many of those words are hateful or deadly? And how can we find the goodness in such bad situations?