Glenn interviews David Barton



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GLENN: I brought David Barton in from Wall Builders because I really, truly believe that David Barton is he's a guy who I really think has been put in a in his place, in his position for a reason and, you know, David, everybody has a time and I have a feeling your time is coming. I don't know what your role is. I don't know what you're going to be doing, but my gut tells me you are one of the most important men in America for this message today.

Do you feel that at all? Not the self aggrandizement stuff but do you feel that something's coming?

BARTON: Yes. Something is definitely coming and the type of message I carry is really an old message. I mean, it's a 2, 3, 400 year old message in America and this is the right time for it.

GLENN: Okay. So, I wanted to tomorrow we're going to introduce the audience to Samuel Adams for an hour on television and he's an amazing man. When you learn about Samuel Adams, you'll be, like, my gosh, what? I mean, you learn stuff about the Massachusetts Constitution, separation of church and state. No, no, no, no, no, no. Federal, Federal, they said, we can't do anything Federal, but in states? My gosh. You read the State Constitution of Massachusetts and you would have no idea that this was the way things were. Correct?

BARTON: That's exactly right. And that State Constitution in Massachusetts, interestingly enough, is the only Constitution in the world that has been in active operation longer than the U.S. Constitution.

GLENN: Give me a give me a couple of lines from it, if I can put you on the spot.

BARTON: Well, there's several great lines in it. There's two things with the Constitution. First is John Adams came out with a letter to tell the people of Massachusetts, here's what we're about to do and the letter that accompanied the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 and it says we can't do this without God, we rely on him, and it goes through a bunch of what they call evangelical principles of piety religion. So, that was their term. Then as you get through the Constitution, they start off by saying because these are so important for government, we authorize any of the of localities across the state that pay for religious teachers it doesn't matter what denomination, you choose your denomination

GLENN: This is Barnie Franks' state.

BARTON: Oh, yeah. And this is the position they chose to ignore when they started all this four or five years ago, but this Constitution is still in place and they talk even about how they fund Harvard because it is an institution of Christian (for Massachusetts and.

GLENN: Unbelievable

BARTON: It's an amazing document. It is. It's amazing.

GLENN: Okay. I wanted to have you on because I am and I don't even know where this goes from here. I really don't. But I feel like we are at a time where America better learn about George Whitfield and others like him

BARTON: Yeah, yeah.

GLENN: I didn't know (this part of American history until rather recently. 1740, George Whitfield comes to America and he is looking at people's wedge wood China and he says, (my gosh, these people are wore shopping the golden calf


BARTON: Yes.

GLENN: And we were in a place, like where we were even three years ago, where God didn't nothing mattered and it's just about, you know, enriching yourself and greed and everything else and America was a very different place. It was going into a dark period and then there was a revival, mainly because of him and where did that lead? What did he do and where did that lead?

BARTON: What he did was he carried a message across America that really turned people back to their spiritual roots. That was how America was founded. They had forgotten that. They were so prosperous at that point in time. They had forgotten what made them prosperous and so they were worshipping the prosperity rather than the cause of the prosperity which had been their religious faith. So, he takes them back to their faith. It was really radical at the time because he transcended all the lines, all the barriers. He did things that have never before been done. He was heartily criticized by religious leaders but he wanted people back to

GLENN: Hang on. You said heartily.

BARTON: Heartily.

GLENN: Not hardly

BARTON: No. Heartily. That's right.

GLENN: And he was a guy who and it's amazing when I read this, he was a guy who tried to bring everybody together

BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: And said forget your denominations. Let's go back to the root and he was really focused on Moses. And let's go back to the root of where we of where we were and who we are and this land is the land of milk and honey and when he started to do, because he didn't have a church, if you will, he didn't I mean, he was going around and giving sermons in the open air, sometimes up to 30,000

BARTON: 30,000. That's right.

GLENN: How did people even hear him?

BARTON: That's Franklin has a great piece in this because Franklin was a sign test and he (saw the 30,000 crowd. He said he started backing away from whit field to see how far away he could get and still hear him and once he calculated that radius, he then calculated, okay, how many people could fit in this arc and he said 100,000 people could have easily heard whit field without any amp MRI if I indication.

GLENN: I tell you, that is I have a booming voice. I know how to project. I have project in 3, 4, 5,000 seat theaters, but those theaters are made to amplify your voice

BARTON: That's right. That's right.

GLENN: Not outside. I don't even know how that happened.

BARTON: Well, Franklin said to that point in time he had always gathered the accounts of the classics that Roman generals would get their Army around them and talk to them, 30, 40,000 soldiers. He said, after hearing Whitfield, he knew that that, of the of Romans was actually accurate.

GLENN: And when he was doing this, in an account I just read this weekend I love this he had to pay for all of this himself.

BARTON: He did

GLENN: And he was selling he was selling copies of his sermons, but he also sold what do they call it? I can't remember what they called it now, but it was, like what came to mind was, like, T shirts.

BARTON: Right.

GLENN: Like a concert. What was he selling?

BARTON: Well, he was self funded and it's free entire prize.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

BARTON: And the cool thing is, the relationship the first time religious leaders and it's because it is a scriptural concept. So, if you take the scripture away from free enterprise, now you go greed and corruption, you get business going in a bad direction and if you separate the spiritual side and the character size of free enterprise, then you get this

GLENN: That we're in now.

BARTON: That's exactly right. You take the religious character out of business, now you're back to Europe and that's what they were fighting.

GLENN: So, now you just get it so much. I want to take a break and when we come back, I want to lay out a little bit of the black robe brigade, what it was and there's no organization here, there's no and there wasn't back in the revolution, but they played a huge role and I think we just have to teach people what this is and then let the spirit dictate what they do with it, but a piece of history that you've never heard before, most likely, and the role it played and is there a place for it today? Back in a second.

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GLENN: David Barton from Wall Builders is with me. He is he's a guy who has the largest private collection of documents and letters and papers from the founding of our country, pre 1812, 1820? 1812

BARTON: Uh huh.

GLENN: The largest collection in private hands in the world. I think you're only real rivaled really by Library of Congress, aren't you?

BARTON: Well, that's not rivaled. They are so far out in front.

GLENN: Yeah. I know. So, David, we were talking about the way to the way our founders set our country

BARTON: Yeah.

GLENN: Was the people starting in 1740 had a revival and they, they changed as a people and it was really led by the pastors and the preachers and everybody else. The black robe brigade, as we talked about last night, in a nutshell was a pastors just choosing to teach people correct principles

BARTON: That's right.

GLENN: It's not happening in America anymore par bar no.

GLENN: Tell me the difference. What do pastors, priests, preachers, rabbis, everything, not policy liquors, because I would walk out of a church that is telling me how to vote, what do they need to be teaching and focus on?

BARTON: Well, this is where it's really fun to go back with those old documents because we have thousands and thousands of those pages of sermons that shaped the American revolution. One was a great sermon on taxes from 1766 after the stamp act. The stamp act came down. Charles /TALTS tee said, okay, what does the Bible say about taxes? Because here's what scripture says about tax policy. They did the same thing on governments. They did the same thing on military.

GLENN: Do you have do you have online access to any of this?

BARTON: Yes. We have a lot of these posted online. We have a lot of their sermons up, but the difference is they would talk about anything that was in the newspaper, they would comment from a scriptural perspective. So, I have sermons (of theirs on (earthquakes and fires and floods and railroads, you name it. See, today what's happened, the IRS has really kind of squeezed pastors into a little bitty (the government deals with and, as a matter of fact, one of the national guys I know really well has a team of attorneys and they're told by IRS that they can't even talk about something that might become a political issue. How do you know what is might going to become? And so now you've got the government telling the people what they can and can't say from the pulpit? Give me a break.

GLENN: What is your web site?

BARTON: Wallbuilders.com, sermons up.

GLENN: America, I just wanted you to think about this. I want you to talk to your spiritual leaders, if you're a spiritual leaders, I want you to think about it. David and I are going to start working together on a few things that, you know, maybe we can, through BECK UNIVERSITY or through the America revival or whatever, we're going to start teaching some of these things and making this stuff available because this is the key, this is truly the key. By the way, the America Revival, where David Barton teaches the first hour of it and it is phenomenal, it's a I think it's a seven hour program. It's phenomenal. We have added another city. We're going to announce that coming up at the top of the hour. It will go on sale but it's one of the of last stops of the America Revival. We'll give that to you in just a second. And we'll see you tomorrow for founders Fridays, David Barton.

A Colorado mother of three, Erin Lee, said her 12-year-old daughter was recruited by teachers to attend an "art club" after school, only to find it was a GSA or Gay Straight Awareness/Alliance Club. Not only was the family misled about the purpose of the club, but a guest speaker — who told the middle school students that "if they're not fully comfortable in their bodies, that means they're transgender" — also encouraged the kids to keep secrets from their parents.

Lee told Glenn Beck on the radio program Monday that her "shy, vulnerable, barely 12-year-old daughter" had just moved to Wellington Middle School in Fort Collins, Colorado, when she was invited by her art and home room teachers to attend an "art club" after school.

"She texted us [and] we gave her permission for art club," Lee said of her daughter. "When she got there, it was actually GSA, or Gender and Sexuality Awareness or Alliance Club. The teacher had invited in a completely unqualified outside presenter who did unthinkable things with the children. I'll give you the CliffsNotes version. She told them, 'what you hear in here, keep in here.' She used flags to use defining words, telling them if they're not fully comfortable in their bodies, that means they're transgender. Then she would hand out the flags and stickers and bracelets and other swag. She told them that 'queer' is a label for when they're still figuring out their sexuality.

"She did the 'Genderbread person,' which explicitly asked kids who they're sexually attracted to, so 11, 12, 13-year-olds with peers and adults in the room, talking about their sexuality. She handed out her personal contact information and invited them to connect on teen chat platforms, like WhatsApp and Discord, where she knows that parents are not monitoring the conversation. She told them that families may not be safe, and it's okay to lie about where they are. And in fact, the art teacher, as my daughter was leaving the room that day, pulled her aside and said, 'remember, you don't have to tell your mom.'"

The outside presenter, Kimberly Chambers, is the director of SPLASH Youth of Northern Colorado, an organization that targets children as young as 5 years old, as indicated on its own website. Chambers is a paid employee of the Larimer County Department of Health and Environment with access to children’s information, according to a Parents Defending Education incident report.

Lee went on to say that, after learning from her daughter what happened, she and her husband contacted the school principal, who confirmed that the meeting was, in fact, held in secret and they are always held in secret because as a public school they have to offer children a "safe space." Lee then turned to the school board, but said she was ignored "for months." Finally, she was able to meet with board member Kristen Draper, who turned out to be a close friend and "strong ally" to Chambers. Draper also volunteers for an arm of SPLASH called SKITTLES.

"FOIA emails showed that [the school] immediately colluded when I objected to what happened," Lee told Glenn. "They immediately colluded with the school board to keep me quiet. They referenced parents who find out as 'barriers' that the school board has removed. They talked about sending social services into my home because I didn't like what they did with my child," she continued.

"My daughter had never expressed gender dysphoria before. She never expressed that she'd had any trouble at home. They never spoke to me. I never spoke to any of the people that did these things before they decided to talk about calling CPS ... In the state of Colorado, if my child had said to the CPS that I wasn't affirming her transgender identity, I firmly believe they would have removed her from the home. And the people knew this when they suggested that CPS come to our home to remove our child," Lee warned. "Colorado is off the rails in particular, but this is happening everywhere."

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The House approved a new aid package for Ukraine of nearly $40 billion, which will increase the total U.S. funding for Ukraine's war efforts to a whopping $58 BILLION since March, if the package passes in the Senate. Meanwhile, DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas testified before Congress that the Biden administration is considering diverting resources away from an already-struggling VA (Department of Veterans Affairs) to deal with the border crisis.

"I am not making this up -- this will [make] your head explode," Glenn Beck said in the radio program Thursday. "They are going to divert costs; the Biden administration is taking money from the VA. Now already, our veterans get seconds, and we are [considering] diverting VA funding, and doctors, and nurses, away from our vets and to the migrants at the border, so we can take money that we don't have, $58 billion, and send it to Ukraine. What the hell is wrong with us?"

"Now, some Republican lawmakers are attempting to fight this," he added. "But, most people haven't even heard of this. This is how the atrocities at the border go unchecked. Biden sweeps it all under a rug. The mainstream media covers it up. And, meanwhile, people suffer and die. And in this case, it's not only the people on the border, but it is also our veterans in VA hospitals."

Glenn went on to detail the unreported deadly consequences of Biden’s border policies which have led to enough fentanyl to kill millions of Americans pouring across the border and terrorists having found easy paths into our country.

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Corruption, greed, and death. This is what the Left’s border policy is REALLY about, not the humanitarian effort they claim it is.

On tonight's episode of "Glenn TV," Glenn Beck exposes the groups benefitting from the border chaos under the Biden administration. A leftist money supply flows to NGOs on the border that are now taking the roles that the government should be filling with immigration and helping immigrants to flood into the U.S. Glenn asks: Why is the U.N. funding the flow of migrants to our border and subverting Congress? Why are former Biden staffers working for “non-profits” that are now getting exclusive, HIGHLY irregular multimillion-dollar border contracts? Worse than that, the consequences of Biden’s border policy have now turned deadly. National Guard members at the border are dying, fentanyl from China pours across the border, and terrorists have found an easy path to enter our country.

Finally, Glenn asks Texas Rep. Chip Roy if it’s time to impeach DHS Secretary Mayorkas for his negligence that is costing American lives.

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I can no longer relate to the modern pro-choice woman. I don’t want to shout my abortion. I want to pretend it never happened. Up until the SCOTUS leak, I had done a pretty good job of burying my 20-year secret. But the Roe v. Wade information earthquake triggered an eruption. I can no longer pretend to be ambivalent or leave it to blue-check pro-lifers to speak for me. My days of repeating the “safe, legal, and rare” mantra like a good, GenX libertarian feminist are over.

Some pro-abortion activists call their life-ending procedure “self-care,” like they just booked a hot stone massage or a facial at a spa. This is a polite euphemism many women tell themselves – not because we are cold-blooded killers, but because it’s how we survive. We HAVE to lie in order to justify what is actually taking place. Denial is a protective coating, a barrier from the truth. Remember, any woman born after Roe v. Wade has been programmed to believe that abortion is a natural-born right. “It’s legal; therefore it must not be evil. This is a medical procedure. Women do it every day.” Planned Parenthood has a nice way of describing abortion on its website: “A doctor uses a combination of medical tools and a suction device to gently take the pregnancy tissue out of your uterus.” “Gently take the tissue out.” Benign euphemisms that wrap our hearts and minds in a suffocating cocoon. Benign euphemisms to keep us in line.

I was raised in the Bible Belt and to believe that sex before marriage was the gravest of sins. You’d be better off robbing a store by pistol than to be caught fornicating with a boy. And yet I did fornicate with a boy. No boy I’d ever be proud to bring around to my parents. I never gave him the option to talk me out of it. I just demanded he pay half for the procedure and never speak of it again. I told myself it would be easier to survive the hidden shame of the abortion than wear the shame of my sin on my belly for the next nine months.

...the pill I took made an ugly, painful mess, and it didn’t finish the job.

I took the so-called “easy” way out at six weeks along and swallowed a pill I got from some abortionist who gave me the creeps. He was no medical saint like the one portrayed in “The Cider House Rules,” nobly saving women from coat-hanger abortions. The doctor in my story made a quick buck at the expense of terrified “good girls.” Years later I would learn he kept aborted fetuses in buckets and was under investigation for shady medical practices. I couldn’t leave his clinic fast enough, but at least I wouldn’t have to miss work or skip my college classes. I could finish my degree and still make my parents proud. How convenient. But the pill I took made an ugly, painful mess, and it didn’t finish the job. Now I had to see a real obstetrician, get an ultrasound, and deal with the aftermath.

This doctor’s office was nicer. It had bright lights and pink walls. Although my doctor was professional, I still felt the quiet judgment in her voice. I refused to look at the image of my tortured fetus on the screen. I knew what it would mean if I did – my feminist career ambitions would lose the battle to my soul if I looked at that baby. The doctor told me the fetus was still viable but likely mentally damaged. The “kinder” thing to do would be to finish the job at an in-clinic abortion. End the fetus’ suffering and end my own self-torture. I woke up from anesthesia to learn the abortion was complete. It’s over so quickly, but the internal conflict hangs. And hangs.

You find weird ways to cope. Not long after, I discovered an abandoned robin’s egg, still perfectly intact. I wrapped it in a sock and carried it with me for over a decade. If I couldn’t do right by my own child, maybe I could keep this unhatched egg safe. Eventually, I had to come to terms with the fact that the bird egg was dead, and I got therapy. He was a good New York psychologist. Secular, liberal, tolerant. He helped me to forgive myself, but I always knew who I really needed to ask for forgiveness …

It’s easy for a young woman with all those stockpiled eggs in her ovaries to be pro-choice. She can toss away the miracle of life like a rotten banana or a bruised apple because it is easily replaced. It wasn’t until I was forced to confront the mortality of my own fertility that I felt the full force of my regret.

But I do not write this letter to achieve redemption or to be the new face of the pro-life movement. You will not see me pleading with women outside an abortion clinic. You will not see me protesting with a cutesy, homemade sign at the March for Life. You will not see me sparring on Twitter, confronting baby-killers with cold, hard facts. For now, you will not even know my name. I suppose this is not very brave, but my story is not complete and God’s work in me is in an active state. Mine is a modest mission: Maybe if I’m honest about my own wounds, I can help other women like me to heal. Maybe I can love the terrified, knocked-up woman in the Bible Belt who believes the best worst lies our society has ever told, better than any conservative talk show host ever could.

The SCOTUS leak ripped a band-aid off a festering 50-year-old wound.

The SCOTUS leak ripped a band-aid off a festering 50-year-old wound. It’s naive to think we will fix this mess for the unborn overnight and deprogram men and women plugged into 50 years of slick, well-packaged lies. Slavery was legal in the U.S. for over 200 years before we fought a war to end it. And it was another 100 years before we ended state-sanctioned racism.

When it comes to the issue of defending innocent life, I know it’s hard to be patient. This is a clear battle of good vs. evil for many on the right, but you need allies like me – the former “safe, legal, and rare” pro-choicers who are afraid to come out of the shadows. Afraid to become a political prop in the culture wars, but willing to do the quiet missionary work in our back yards.

I hope for the day future progressives look back in horror at today’s progressives fighting to keep abortion on demand. I hope for the day the New York Times publishes the pro-life version of the 1619 Project. Maybe they’ll call it the “1973 Project,” “whose mission is to reframe the country's history by placing the consequences of abortion and the contribution of the pro-life movement at the very center of our national narrative.”

Until that day, I want to help these women to be braver than me. To see beyond their impossible tomorrow. If I had allowed someone the chance to help me be brave, I might not have had the same successful career, but I would have a 20-year-old son or daughter in whom to invest this unexplained overflow in my heart.