GLENN: Pat and I are just having an argument here.
PAT: Uh huh.
GLENN: He thinks that we are responsible for Mike Lee's victory
PAT: I think it's pretty clear. Don't you think it's pretty clear?
GLENN: No, I don't.
PAT: We had him on the day before the election.
GLENN: But we also had his opponent on.
PAT: But we didn't like his opponent.
GLENN: We didn't say that.
PAT: I know, but it came through.
GLENN: Is that what it is?
PAT: Yeah, because people are, like, Hey, aren't Glenn, Pat, and Stu kind of saying Mike Lee's the guy?
GLENN: No. My theory
PAT: And we're saying, yeah, we are, sort of.
GLENN: My theory is may have something to do with Freedom Works.
PAT: Well, there's that. What do I know?
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KIBBE: I'm doing great. How are you guys?
GLENN: Good. I walk out of the studio the other day. You were meeting with our salespeople. I walk out of the studio and you're just getting ready to go and we have a conversation and it was the day after the election that changed a lot of things. We were just talking about it and I said, What was your involvement? And you talked about how nobody in Utah is one of them, that Freedom Works was sleeping for days.
GLENN: What is happening on the ground?
KIBBE: I think the lead campaign and by the way, there's a lot of people that deserve credit and I think you do deserve a little bit of the credit.
PAT: See. I told you. He gave you all the credit right there.
GLENN: No. Go ahead.
KIBBE: You put the candidates on and people were able to to hear the Stark difference between Mike Lee and Bridgewater and what happened on the ground and you've got to give the activists on the ground the credit for doing a remarkable overturn of what I would call the political establishment.
GLENN: Well, this is what was so shocking. As Pat and I were talking, wasn't it a 20
PAT: He was down Matt, you probably know better than we do, but I think Mike Lee was down by was it 9 or 11 points going into that election?
KIBBE: He was down 9 points in the weekend before the Tuesday vote.
PAT: Down by 9 points. So, that was an amazing turnaround.
GLENN: How did it happen?
KIBBE: Lee was being outspent and I think this is a classic example of that I think is the new model. The new model is a ground game of, frankly, decentralized activists who had gotten engaged with Mike Lee and saw him as being willing to come back to Washington and upset the status quo. They went door to door and while Bridgewater was fighting this fight on the air waves, we were helping the activists go door to door and getting people to show up and vote and that's what it was and that is an opportunity that you can extrapolate across the country and I like to say that the Tea Party movement and this big surge of limited government activists that are showing up for the first time, this is what Howard Dean used to brag about. We have a 50 state strategy. We have local communities who are getting engaged in politics for the first time an that's an opportunity, if we're start about it.
GLENN: Why does it seem to you that the left doesn't seem to care about elections? I mean, they're not really they didn't they don't care about their poll numbers. They just keep steam rolling. It is that they are so arrogant that they know something we don't know or what do you suppose this is? Have you ever seen this attitude?
GLENN: Have you ever seen this before
KIBBE: It's different and I think that's it's arrogance about their ideas but they also think they can get away with it because the voters will forget by the time the election comes around and wrong I think they're being caught flat footed, as well. They just don't understand just how powerful this grass roots surge and they're looking at the traditional democrat republican dynamics and saying, well, we can beat them at the polls because our guys are better at organizing on the ground.
GLENN: All right. So, let me ask you this: Have you seen the turn around at all, any signs of life in the republican camp, because I don't know how they haven't gotten the message, either. I know some have, but I don't know how they have not seen the writing on the wall that it is, again, the establishment Republicans that you guys have helped put in place with the American people, I mean, it's not that you guys are doing it. It is that's where the American people are right now?
GLENN: And the establishment on both sides, both parties, don't seem to understand the game is over, the lies won't be accepted anymore.
KIBBE: I think that the republican establishment has to be brought kicking and screaming to this new understanding of how the world works.
GLENN: Well, how many times do we have to lose? I mean, look how many times the republican establishment has lost in the last year and they still don't seem to get it.
KIBBE: Well, we're happy to keep teaching them the lesson. And I think that's that's what you have to do and, you know, our whole attitude about political parties is that they're empty vessels and they could stand for anything depending on what they think gets them through the next week, but the only way that this is going to work is if the people stay vigilant and replace some bad Republicans with better fiscal conservatives and if we can find better fiscal conservatives amongst the Democrats I don't know if you've noticed this but the Democrats are also running against their own President and against their own party in order to win elections, but they will say things some of them believe it. Some of them don't, but the day after the election is just as important if not more so. We've got to stay vigilant. We've got to stay organized and we've got to hold these days accountable 365 days a year. Otherwise, they'll break our hearts again.
PAT: Now, Matt, has Freedom Works organized this kind of grass roots support and activism all across the country in these races for conservatives?
KIBBE: Absolutely. We're looking at 55 house seats and 12 Senate seats where there are opportunities to, you know you're not always going to get the perfect candidate.
GLENN: Well, what do you
KIBBE: on the republican side.
GLENN: What are you doing in Arizona? I mean, that is a nightmare.
KIBBE: It is a nightmare and I've got tell you, we're as uninchanted with John McCain as anybody but we don't see J. D. Hayworth as a better alternative.
PAT: That's the problem, what do you do in a case like that?
GLENN: I don't like John McCain at all. I don't think I can even hold my nose and vote for him.
GLENN: It's insulting, but , if I were in Arizona I couldn't vote for J. D. Hayworth. I mean, I know part of the thing is and, gosh, I don't want this to sound like an infomercial, but, I mean, this is what you do and this is why I am endorsing you on the program. How are you growing new people, because I meet people all the time who say, do you know what, Glenn? I'm going to go into it. I'm willing to go into it and they have no idea, A, what they're doing on how to organize and everything else, how to be a politician, God forbid, and, 2, they also don't know the buzz saw that they're about to walk into.
KIBBE: Yeah. Well, that's one thing that hopefully we bring to the table and we try to meet with the local organizations, not to not to take them over and not to tell them what to do but, for instance, a bunch of my guys are going to Ohio next week starting in Dayton and there's a lot of battle ground races going on in that part of the country, but our job is to sort of teach them, be if you want to have affective in the political cycle, how do you do basic get out the vote and how do you make sure that you're organizing in a way so that when you get your candidate elected, you have the means of disciplining that person when they go off the straight and narrow.
PAT: Matt, do you see the Republicans taking back control of the house in 2010?
KIBBE: I do.
GLENN: Okay. Let me ask you this: Do you fear at all a lame duck session where this President has already said, Hey, you know, I'll give you this appointment, I'll do this for you, I'll do this, where they make deals? Are you afraid of a lame duck session where this Congress passes everything and anything that they want in the meantime, in between the transition?
KIBBE: In fact, we just launched a project called nolameduck.com because we're scared to death that all of these things with you know, with senator Byrd passing away, financial so called financial regulation has been derailed, cap and trade, card check, new tax increases. Think of a horror list of things they're going to do. They're going to come back in a lame duck and try to do this.
GLENN: Oh, I think quite honestly, I think the financial regulation, I think is going to go through. You don't think it will go through?
KIBBE: I don't think it will.
GLENN: Oh, God bless you.
KIBBE: which is a wonderful, like, gift that our set probably doesn't deserve but talk about entrenching, not too big to fail, talk about rewarding.
GLENN: No kidding.
KIBBE: political connections as a way of doing business. I mean, it's everything Obama said he was against and here he is entrenching the status quo.
GLENN: They're calling the head of AIG to testify in front of the committee to try to figure out what the hell happened in the financial meltdown and, yet, we already have the legislation to fix it. We haven't even finished the investigation! That doesn't even make any sense.
KIBBE: It's what it's what some folks like to call crony capitalism and it's it basically socializes risk and punishes well run banks to prop up the behavior of banks like AIG.
GLENN: Well, Matt, best of luck and thank you so much for all that you guys are doing and keep your souls. Does everybody have their soul there?
KIBBE: We still have our soulds and it's hard to do when you're based in Washington DC.
GLENN: Oh, you're based in Washington. Oh, that's not good.
PAT: Is there, like a soul protector you guys can put up around your
GLENN: I mean, honestly, I know you know because we've spoken before. I know you know how much the American people are skeptical of everybody and everything and you are on the right side, you're fighting for the right things, and I just mean everybody and we talk about this on our staff, as well, how that we all understand the profound responsibility that we have of not violating people's trust and just staying on the right course and it's hard to do in today's world. It is hard to do.
KIBBE: It's hard to do and in particularly when you get involved in politics like this, but it's I mean, it in some ways it's hard but it's also pretty easy because some of these issues are pretty black and white. You know what the right thing to do is.
KIBBE: And in this world you have thousands and thousands of people that can judge you immediately if you try to stray off the straight and narrow.
GLENN: Matt, best of luck and we'll talk again. Matt Kibbe from Freedom Works.
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