|Obama’s Christianity Requires Him to Politically Redistribute White America’s Wealth|
GLENN: All right. So I always want to lay this case out for you. Now the so called religious are coming out and they are spending money on that ad campaign, running it around the country to smear me and to separate me from Christians. I can't wait until they start taking me down for my religion, specific religion, because it's coming. I want you to know why this is happening. I talked to, I talked to Richard Land a couple of days ago and he said — Richard Land said do you know, Glenn, who you are taking on now? I said, yes, I do. Richard, would it be Satan? I mean, it is a perversion of the gospel. It is a perversion of the gospel. And I understand that we are dealing with — we're not dealing with — we're not dealing with powers of the Earth. We're just not. This is a perversion of the gospel. And it is such a clear perversion of the gospel, I want to show you the collective salvation remarks. Here's just a couple of them and they are easy to find. We've put together a whole package for you. We'll put it out in our free e mail newsletter today. But here is the president talking about collective salvation. Give me two cuts.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: You can take your diploma, walk off this stage and chase only after the big house and the nice suits and the other things that our money culture says you should buy, you can choose to narrow your concerns and live life in a way that tries to keep your story separate from America's, but I hope you don't, not because you have an obligation to those who are less fortunate, although I believe you do have that obligation; not because you have a debt to all those who helped you get to where you are today, although I do believe you have that debt to pay. It's because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: And recognizing that my fate remain tied up with their fates, that my individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country.
GLENN: Understand what that means, that the sacrifice, the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ doesn't do it. It's a collective salvation. We played Cone, the guy who started or really is —
PAT: He is the founder of black liberation.
GLENN: Is he the founder? That talks about liberation theology, that it's not enough, that white people cannot be Christian without giving up their power and all of their money, giving back that which they stole, and quoting him, and white people have stolen a lot from black people. So if you believe in collective salvation, God is telling you that you must take wealth away from people to be able to save people. You can have the purest intent, but it is wrapped in evil.
You want to talk about Marxism? We can talk about Marxism because that is the power of man. We're now talking about the power of God and it has been cloaked. Don't take my word for it. I've talked to pastors about it. I've talked to the — I've talked to — we have the pope, the pope, Pope Benedict said this is demonic, but I've talked to pastors and priests and rabbis, and there is a split but it's pretty healthy, on the side that I'm telling you about.
Let me go to Reverend James Robison who is one of the biggest evangelical preachers around and a guy that I have come to know here over the last really — James, when did we first talk? Was it about eight months ago or so? You called me up while I was on the road and we had an unbelievable chat.
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ROBISON: Glenn, it was about the same time you referenced The Villages time when God told you that it, really the issue was not merely political but it was spiritual, we needed a spiritual awakening, we needed a revival, and you indicate — actually this very same day you and I talked, you heard from God very directly. And I want to say to you, thank you for really seeking to help wake up a sleeping church that has been manipulated and deceived by the principalities and powers and the realm of darkness that you reference in the Overton Window with Ephesians 6:12. You have been trying to get a church that is really stuck in the pew, hiding under a bush he will of conformity and compromise, and we need to stand up as believers and pierce the darkness. And you are in my opinion, I recommend that everyone listen to you, not listen to what people say about you. I wish every believer, every pastor, every church leader, every person who cares about this country could hear your 20 or 30 minutes of your personal testimony on your Tuesday program. I trust that's posted online. Because my wife sat and wept for 20 minutes. She had to get up and go get a box of Kleenex. She said, I have never heard purer truth, a greater message on Jesus and on true salvation. And to think that it's coming on secular television. And Glenn, Betty and I just want to thank you. You know, we host the Live Today television program. As a matter of fact, on JamesRobison.net, you've got to leave the middle N out of my name because I was too poor to have it. So it's not Robinson but it's Robison —
GLENN: I'm getting hammered by that all day. I think I'm saying Robison.
ROBISON: Yeah, now you said it right.
GLENN: All right.
ROBISON: It is Robison. But I shared that what we're being told today as the right way, which is nothing but social justice, and the manipulators, including the media and many deceived church leaders are trying to tell people in the church if they don't support this so called social justice that they don't have compassion. And the fact is that when you take and distribute, you have separated people from a compassion connection. And without a compassion connection, which leads to true charity and to an involvement in the difficult circumstances of people who are in trouble, if you separate people from that connection, you are throwing money at an unhittable target, you might as well toss it in the wind and you are actually depleting the possibility of wealth and you don't eliminate poverty by depleting wealth. What you've got to do is get people who have wealth prosperity to be somehow delivered from their own greed and self focused to begin to focus on how we can personally, through compassion, make a difference in other people's lives. And this is what I hear you saying, and much of the church listening to the wrong voices, listening to these deceivers, and they are in the realm of darkness, they are powers and principalities, and they are effective. And right now the church too often is listening to these deceptive manipulative voices and we are missing the opportunity to restore, not transform America but restore America to sanity and restore the principles that our founders, with all their diversity, all their did I distinctive differences, they came together in harmony of heart and understood nature's god and nature's laws and gave us a foundation upon which to build in freedom and liberty, which also implies that we have to be responsible. If you're free, the freedom our founders gave us demands personal accountability and responsibility. And if we don't return to that — I mean, you can mark it down. You can date it. If the church doesn't wake up, stand up, and pierce the darkness, you can literally color America and the freedom we've known and the opportunity we've known, you can color it done. It's over. Now, that's just simply the way it is.
GLENN: James —
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ROBISON: And Glenn, you are one of the clearest voices on this planet for truth, and I want you to know as an evangelical Christian and church leader with one of the most watched television programs live today on the planet, you are a voice crying in the wilderness. I thank God for you. And by the way, the people in Australia, the people in the United Kingdom are supporting us and praying for us to see our nation restored because they know if we don't come back to sanity, they are in trouble all around the world.
GLENN: The whole world is. James, I just want to make this conversation very clear. You and I, we don't agree on theology per se, but when we talk about the church, we're talking about the big principles of God and that God is a God of freedom and individual choice and a God that sent a savior down that says as an individual, accept my sacrifice and there's salvation. Is — when we have someone — and I don't — this is not about politics. This is so much bigger than politics. When we have people talking about collective salvation, where does that come from, is there any Christian theology here that is truly Christian, that says, you know, Jesus is the savior, Jesus Christ is the savior and this is what redemption and the atonement means, is there any way to interpret that as, if you all do it together or force people to do it?
ROBISON: Anytime you deplete the adequacy sufficiency of the grace of God in Christ and the forgiveness he offers through Christ, when you deplete that by adding to it, by saying we must do this in order to earn it, and you have desecrated the word of God, the death of Christ on the cross, that sacrificial gift of God and then you have placed on man his own responsibility, you really nullify the very act of love that God expressed in the gift of His son on the cross.
The relationship that we have in Christ transforms our lives personally. And by the way, it's the transformation of the individual that leads to the restoration of this nation. We don't need a transformed nation. Our founders understood what it meant, and they had differences theologically like you just pointed out.
GLENN: Big time.
ROBISON: One of the miracles of our founding, Glenn, is that they were in prayer seeking God, and the miracle of God's grace and God's wisdom enabled those men to come together in sound thought, in wisdom, and establish a rock solid, unshakeable foundation upon which we build. Now, when you move from that foundation and establish something else, you've moved away from the grace of God, you've moved away from the wisdom of God that our founders, even those who we hear this, they continually confirm that Jesus was Lord. Jefferson signed every one of his documents with "With Christ." He put "Christ" in every place he signed. These men understood that they could differ and not divorce. We've got families tearing up all the time because they have a little difference, so they divorce. The family of faith, the family of God of which you are a part — and we may have differences, but we understand that the bottom line is the truth of God. We have a reliable source in His word —
ROBISON: And we have foundation with which to build and it is a personal relationship with Jesus. And by the way, when we have that relationship, Glenn, we're going to love and appreciate people who disagree with us.
GLENN: I thank you so much. Reverend James Robison.
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