Glenn interviews Rand Paul

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GLENN: Senator-elect -- boy, this sounds good. Senator-elect Rand Paul is with us. Senator-elect, how are you, sir?

RAND PAUL: Very good. Good to be with you, Glenn.

GLENN: Ahhh. Thank you for running. Thank you for winning.

RAND PAUL: Well, it wasn't an easy -- it wasn't an easy chore. We had to get through a lot of mess to get there, but in the end I think it's going to be worth it to have somebody who really honestly is going to try to rectify the problems of the budget and the debt.

GLENN: Senator, I believe things today that I didn't believe two years ago. I believe things today that I would have thought was absolutely insane. I'm doing a show tonight on George Soros that if I didn't have the evidence in front of me, if I didn't have -- I mean, it's -- it's nuts what's going on. You are somebody who would like to restore us, not change us. Restore us; am I correct?

RAND PAUL: Absolutely. I think the real thing we face in our country is a debt crisis of monumental proportions and I'm reading this little book called Broke right now and in it I think what I like most about it is that it honestly and refreshingly says, you know what? This is a bipartisan problem. We didn't get here because the Republicans did this or the Democrats did this. They both did this to us, and it's going to take a bipartisan way out of it. But the way out of it is to say we have to cut spending.

GLENN: Okay, now --

RAND PAUL: And one of the other things is I got from looking -- I'm about halfway through this book now -- is that instead of talking about contraction of the government, we need to talk about expansion of the private sector. So, you know, if government is consuming 25% of gross domestic product and we want it to consume 20%, let's talk about that that's going to be a 5% expansion of the private sector. It would be the most momentous growth you'd ever see in our country if we just take that 5% we give to government and let's give it back to the private marketplace.

GLENN: Well, I appreciate you reading the book, and I hope that it is useful to somebody in Washington. I try -- what I tried to do is to get people to think out of the box because I believe, I believe we are facing the most dangerous two years of our republic's history. These next two years may decide whether we as a country live or die. Would you agree with that?

RAND PAUL: Yeah, I think that I keep telling people there's a day of reckoning and that it's not in the distant future, that it's now become an imminent problem. And I've said this repeatedly for over the last year that it isn't just our kids and our grandkids. It's really around the corner and that I don't want our country to have the chaotic situations that erupted in Greece. And when level-headed people like Bernanke are telling us -- who are not alarmists who are telling us that the debt is unsustainable, when Greenspan -- the other quote you have in there about Greenspan saying that within the next three decades it will be paid for but basically by devaluing, dramatically devaluing the dollar, that worries me. And -- but I'm also a great believer in the ability of capitalism and individual ownership of property to create jobs, and I really want to -- really we need to extoll the virtues of what we can do as a country, what we have done as a country, and say look, we don't need to say government has to do everything for us. We can do it ourselves. You know, it's like we have to believe in ourselves again. That's what I keep telling people.

GLENN: Here's what I am concerned about. There is, as I'm doing a show on Soros tonight, there is a global governance that is being constructed, and most of it is already in place. It's already there. And there are people pushing us over the edge because they want that global governance. They don't believe in really our sovereignty and our system of government. They are trying to cut us down to size, et cetera, et cetera. The rest of the world is looking at what we're doing to their economies now by quantitative easing. They see what's happening. The world is going to turn on us and blame us for all of their problems. And in some ways, especially the last two years, we'll deserve that. You are being faced now with a couple of things. One of them is the debt ceiling. And the Republicans I thought, you know, they stood lockstep. Nobody voted for the increase of the debt ceiling. I don't believe that we cannot raise the debt ceiling. I think we have to cut spending dramatically. But if we can't do both, we have to make some -- we can't default on our loan because I'm afraid of an event like that, of any kind of real major event will set the dominoes, just push the first domino over and then it's just a collapse. Do you agree or disagree with that?

RAND PAUL: Well, most of the time the debt ceiling vote has ended up being a symbolic vote. Those who have voted no have been ones who said to government, you know, we can't continue to run up the debt. And there never really has been a serious challenge of the debt ceiling not going up that I'm aware of. I don't think there will be a serious challenge this time on it. My inclination, though, is to vote no to send the message that we can't keep borrowing.

GLENN: That's right.

RAND PAUL: But I do agree that it's sort of a backwards approach. Really what we should be doing is promoting and what I will promote from the get-go is I will introduce a budget that is balanced and that's what we need to do is have someone introduce and have that as an alternative. But that's doing the planning in advance. The debt ceiling is doing the planning -- is not really doing planning. It's just saying we won't borrow more. But I do think as a general principle we should tell, you know, the American people want us to quit borrowing and that's what I'm in favor of. Whether you do it dramatically in one day in one vote is still I think something that has to be discussed. But I think we do have to introduce balanced budgets, we do have to have -- the Democrats want to say, oh, the Republicans are hypocrites, you won't introduce anything that can cut spending, you know, to pay for tax cuts and this and that. I don't accept the logic on it, but I will accept that, yes, we should introduce spending cuts and I think we need significant bills that cut several hundred billion dollars right off the bat and we need to introduce it and that's what needs to be the Republican message.

GLENN: Do you see a way out of this quantitative easing? I mean, Tim Geithner said it would never happen. Ben Bernanke said under oath it would never happen, the Fed will never do that. The last two challenges where it did come to a real push, the first one came I think under George W. Bush, or was it Clinton? One of them was George W. Bush, and Bush sold gold. He just sold the gold at Fort Knox. He sold a pile of it and kept things rolling that way. I think Bernanke has just said the debt ceiling doesn't matter to us at the Fed. We'll just keep -- we can just keep, you know, doing what we're doing.

RAND PAUL: Well, what concerns me about it is that, you know, during the crisis in 2007, we doubled the monetary base. That's all the bank reserves and the currency basically doubled. A lot of that money is still sitting in banks because the Federal Reserve for the first time is paying interest rates. Not much, but is paying interest to the large banks in New York to keep the money in the banks. I think a lot of that money has not filtered into the economy yet. But my concern is we already doubled the monetary base, you know, in the period of about four months in 2007. That's still lurking about and will create inflation eventually and then they want to do more easing on top of that. That concerns me.

The other thing that concerns me is a lot of us have been talking about ObamaCare and how awful it is, and I agree with all that but I don't think we've been talking enough about what these banking regulations are doing because the banking regulation bill to my mind may be even worse for the economy than ObamaCare.

GLENN: I agree.

RAND PAUL: Because if you talk to small community banks and businesses, even with good credit they are finding they are having a tough time getting money. So the banking regulations are stifling the loaning of money. That's exactly the wrong thing you want to do in the midst of a great recession.

GLENN: And this is going to hurt the -- in the end there will -- it will wipe out all the small banks, all local banks, all the community lenders and it will leave just giant institutions in its wake, and that will just kill small business.

RAND PAUL: And one of the things that we've been talking about through all of this is that when people say we need to regulate things, well, yeah, let's regulate the banks that caused the problems, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. I'm all for more regulations on those banks and also on the Federal Reserve. Let's control the mess that the Federal Reserve got us in by keeping interest rates below the market rate and causing this huge housing boom and ultimately this bust. But let's don't heap more regulations on the private banks that really had nothing to do with the problem.

PAT: Can these new financial regulations be repealed?

RAND PAUL: They need to be, and I think we're going to find that they are really -- it's the same with ObamaCare. The more we know with each of these bills, the more they will be a disaster. And particularly if the economy takes a down turn again, which I think it may, the banking regulations have to go because, you know, in the Great Depression one of the things that made it a lot worse is they increased reserve requirements in the middle of the Great Depression and all of a sudden made it much more difficult for loans to originate. And that was when we went from '32 down to 1937, but a large part of that was the government making bad decisions. We're doing the same thing now. President Obama believes government is the answer to everything. What we need are people who will be vocal in our government to say, you know what, we are the answer. It's ourselves. The American dream is getting the government out of the way of individual entrepreneurs and businessmen. But the American dream is not heaping more regulations on business.

GLENN: I only have about a minute left with you and I have to ask you this: Do you believe that there are radicals and revolutionaries in our midst?

RAND PAUL: Well, I mean, I think there are people who have different beliefs. There are people who believe once, you know, the government's the answer to everything and there are varying degrees of that. I think that the current administration, there is every evidence that their belief is in a very, very large governmental presence in everything.

GLENN: Do you -- have you heard of Cloward and Piven?

RAND PAUL: Not right offhand.

GLENN: All right. We'll send you some information on Cloward and Piven. I believe that there is an effort to collapse the system, that it is a different kind of revolution than these radicals foresaw in the 1960s but it is one in a business suit. And as nuts as it sounds, I'm concerned that the country is at the brink and there are people that want to push it over. I want to play a piece of audio. They have been saying that the left -- the left has been saying that the tea parties are dangerous. I want you to listen to this piece of audio from an anchor on MSNBC last night.

RATIGAN: We are here with very disconcerting questions. Are things in our country so bad that it might actually be time for a revolution? The answer obviously is yes. The only question is how to do it. And our next guest, cartoonist --

GLENN: Now, he talks about -- he talks about violence, and violence may be necessary. Can -- do you believe we are so fragile that any kind of act of real violence, any kind of striking out is a danger to the republic at this point because the whole thing could collapse?

RAND PAUL: Well, what I do tell people often is that I think out of chaos bad things can happen and so I don't want chaos. I don't want what happened to Greece but I also don't want what happened in 1923 to the German currency and I do fear that. And people say, oh, America, that could never happen.

GLENN: Oh, it can.

RAND PAUL: I think it could happen and that is my great fear is that we destroy the currency but out of chaos, yes, there could be much, you know -- Germany elected Hitler and then people come to me the same way the come to you and saying you're saying so-and-so's Hitler. I'm not saying anyone's Hitler. What I am saying is out of chaos Germany chose a strong leader that said give me liberty and I'll give you security and I don't want to have that kind of situation occur in our country.

GLENN: Rand, it is -- congratulations, senator-elect. It is good to have you in Washington. You keep your backbone and watch your back because, man, there are going to be all kinds of -- watch Mr. Smith Goes to Washington before you go.

RAND PAUL: My favorite movie.

GLENN: God bless you and thank you very much.

RAND PAUL: Thanks, Glenn.

GLENN: Appreciate it, bye-bye.


Glenn Beck can't help but wonder, "What is wrong with us?" in light of the Left's latest move — canceling six Dr. Seuss books due to "hurtful and wrong" illustrations — that takes America one step closer to complete insanity. And now, school districts are jumping on board after President Joe Biden seems to have dropped Dr. Seuss from the White House's annual "Read Across America Day" proclamation.

On the radio program Tuesday, Glenn argued that deleting books is the perfect example of fascism, and asked when we as a country will finally realize it.

"They are banning Dr. Seuss books. How much more do you need to see before all of America wakes up? ... This is fascism!" Glenn said. "We don't destroy books. What is wrong with us, America?"

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Former Democratic presidential candidate and Hawaii representative Tulsi Gabbard and Glenn Beck don't agree much on policy, but they're in lockstep on principles.

On "The Glenn Beck Podcast" this week, Tulsi spoke with Glenn about one of her last acts in Congress, introducing the "Protect Women's Sports Act," which she says would "strengthen, clarify, and uphold the intent of Title IX to provide a level playing field for girls and women in sports." But since then, the Biden administration has gone in the opposite direction, and has supported allowing biological men to compete in women's sports.

Watch the video clip below to hear why Tulsi took a stand for female athletes:

Watch the full interview with Tulsi Gabbard here.

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Later this week, former President Trump will attend CPAC and give his first major policy appearance since leaving office. Sources close to the President reveal he will focus on "the future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement."

The future of the GOP is a question that demands real discussion before elections in 2022 and 2024. Right now, I can see three possible answers for how you act:

  1. Those in power and senior positions will ignore the reasons behind Donald Trump winning in 2016. They will be vindicated in their minds because they outlasted him, as they view DC as a job for life. These leaders will go back to business as usual and seek forgiveness from the left, hoping for unity and acceptance in the future.
  2. The second outcome is another section of the party that is understandably very angry over the left's Presidents treatment. They still support and believe in Trump. They think it's time to take off the gloves and treat Biden/the left exactly how they treated Trump.
  3. The few policy positions offered in public will be centered solely around opposing the left. They will also make the case how the left suck, are dangerous, and how you need them in power. The next four years are merely a countdown for Trump to run again and right the wrong of 2020.
  4. The third outcome is very similar to the second, but with one key difference. While they appreciate everything Trump accomplished while in office, they feel it's time to unite behind another candidate.

Which of these three positions will work best for the American people? Which helps built a political base for elections in both 2022 and 2024?

If you seek to help save America, it is critical to do some soul searching. Whether you love or hate him, Donald Trump got 75 million votes and made advancements in key demographics. What did he do well that you can develop further? In what areas was he poor, and how can you improve?

I want to raise six principled points everyone on the right should be forced to consider in the run-up to 2024.

1 - Understanding American Exceptionalism

FACT: America is an exceptional nation. If you read enough of world history, you will find ample evidence that America acted in ways that made it unique and significantly different from other countries in the past and modern times. These reasons must be understood and promoted through the culture and body politic.

One of those reasons is the layout of your Declaration of Independence. If you look around politics today, you will see people on all political sides telling you what they hate, why the other side is the enemy, and how they must be defeated.

In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson also made that case against the English when he listed 27 grievances against the King. So how is the layout key? It took Jefferson 357 words to get to those grievances. Your Declaration is your mission statement: it tells everyone in the world what America aspires to be. It states the belief that all were created equal, all had certain rights that come directly from God, and that it is the government's job to protect rights -- not give people rights.

The left is successfully painting everyone on the right to be a terrorist who enjoyed the Capitol Hill riots. If you ever want to win another election, it will be critical to explain what you stand for to the American people.

After all, ask yourself which makes you the most passionate to vote - removing someone from office or voting for a vision and change you believe in?

2 - The Constitution

Is there a better place to start this vision than the Constitution? Yes, it is mostly ignored today by those in power and is only referenced by politicians and media when it fits a narrative.

The Constitution is a beautiful and complex document but is primarily based on a straightforward principle. The government should be extremely limited in its power, but it should be as close to the people as possible where there is a clear need for government. Who can argue with this principle?

Who wants someone they have never met, dictating how they live their life?

This is why the Constitution grants the President no real power, and gives Congress 18 clauses of power, listed under Article 1, Section 8. Any and every power not mentioned there belongs at the state level.

3 - Finances

The power structure in DC has changed many times over the last twenty years, with both parties having the opportunity to rule the different federal branches. There have been two periods where one party controlled all the power in DC:

  • 2008-2010: Obama / Dem
  • 2016-2018: Trump / GOP

Despite these changes, your government continually grows, you continue to spend money you don't have, and in ten out of the last thirteen years, you have added over $1,000,000,000,000 to your national debt, which now sits just under $28 trillion. Does this seem sustainable to you? Of course not, but sadly your finances only get worse.

America has revenue of over $3.2 trillion every year, yet DC has not passed a budget since 2008. Can you imagine any business running that way? Do you think Apple, Amazon, or Disney have a budget? It is time to get America on a path to financial sustainability, work towards a balanced budget, and explain to the American people how you will achieve it.

4 - Taxes

Do you remember discussing taxes during the Tea Party?

We used to make the simple moral case to the American people: any money you earn is yours, you should use it to plan your life, and the government has no right to take it from you. This was so successful around 2012 that Herman Cain ran for President with one primary policy: the 9-9-9 plan.

If America is to return to prosperity after Covid, lower taxes and a simpler tax code must be a central theme.

5 - Cutting Government

Look at the size of the US government in 2021. Are you happy? Can you name the numerous departments? Is it now the freedom-loving Americans' position that agencies like Education, Energy, EPA, and Commerce are constitutional bodies of government and are well-run?

How about the IRS, which targeted Tea-Party groups under President Obama? Do they deserve support, or is it time to start sharing a vision of the departments that should be abolished?

This principle used to be a big part of the Conservative platform. It played a massive role in 2012 when Rick Perry ran for President. His campaign was destroyed in 45 short seconds when he could not remember the three agencies he would abolish.

Maybe it's time to refresh this debate but change the parameters. How about we discuss the agencies that should be kept?

6 - Bill of Rights

Today, the Bill of Rights is under constant attack. The far-left/woke mob hates free speech, and they seek to cancel anyone with an opposing view. However, the attacks on the Bill of Rights don't always come from the left.

America has a second amendment that guarantees you the right to bear arms. The last time the GOP held both houses of Congress and the Presidency, they banned bump stocks - but who really NEEDS a bump stock?

As the years have passed, some have admitted they are open to red flag laws. Is this still the case?

While the second amendment may be under attack, it is clear the fourth amendment is dead. Regardless of which party holds power in DC, the NSA is given continuous ability to spy on Americans. The simple, principled case from Rand Paul of "get a warrant" always falls on deaf ears.

The Bill of Rights should be a unifying document for most Americans, as the principles are self-evident and a significant part of any freedom platform going forward.


America will face significant challenges over the coming years. As the government continues to grow, the far left get more hostile, and central planners seek a great reset. If you share my concern, then now is the time to forget our tribes and ignore the debate on who should be President in 2024.

It's time to work hard to build a platform by raising a banner of bold colors, not pale pastels. We must share a clear vision to the American people of a bright future where they are free, prosperous, and can pursue their happiness.

When the platform is built and successful, people can identify the best candidate to run in 2024.

"First, you win the argument, and then you win the election." — Margaret Thatcher

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is under fire for questioning President Joe Biden's nominee for an assistant health secretary position, Dr. Rachel Levine, about her alleged support for giving children puberty blockers and sex-change surgeries.

During a confirmation hearing Thursday, Paul pointedly asked Levine, who is a transgender woman, about her support for allowing children to change their sex, and whether she believes children are capable of making such life-altering decisions.

Levine evaded the question, answering instead with a vague statement about the complexities of transgender medicine, which she would again reiterate for Paul's subsequent questions.

Watch a video clip of the confirmation hearing here.

Predictably, Paul has been labeled "transphobic" and accused of trying to derail Levine with "transphobic misinformation" by the leftist media.

On the Glenn Beck Radio Program Friday, Paul said his questioning Levine had nothing to do with who she is or the fact that she is a transgender adult, but was about the question of gender changes for children.

"The interesting thing is, none of it was directed towards her personally or who she is. It was directed towards the question of whether children can consent. And this is an intellectual question. It's not an inflammatory question. It's a question of serious consequences," he explained. "Most people would argue that children can't really make an informed consent. You know, we have laws against a man having sex with a 12-year-old, even if the 12-year-old says 'yes', because we don't think a 12-year-old is capable of consenting. They just aren't old enough to make the decision."

Paul went on to add, "I guess the danger is, you have to have some chutzpah. You have to have some guts, some courage to stand up because it is a culture out there where ... everybody is saying I made transphobic comments yesterday. All I did was ask whether a minor could consent to this kind of dramatic surgery. Nothing I ever said was hateful. I said nothing hateful about these people. I said nothing hateful about adults who choose to do this. But the culture is out there is so strong that so many in office are afraid to speak out. And it's getting worse.

"There's a handful of us that will speak out in the Senate. There's a handful in the House, and we just have to grow our ranks. But we have to resist or it just will roll over us. And we'll live in this terrible cancel culture world where nobody speaks out, and everybody is afraid to say anything."

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