by Brad Thor
GLENN: One of my favorite writers is Brad Thor. He has what will be another New York Times number one best seller, The Athena Project. It is a thriller and Brad is here. It's in stores available everywhere now. Brad, welcome to the program.
THOR: Hi, Glenn.
GLENN: You are one of the first guys I think that I connected with in the book world that you were completely open, honest and just told me what was really going on, and you have all kinds of CIA connections and everything else. And you are probably I was just telling Pat because you've never been on the air with Pat before, have you?
THOR: I have, yeah.
PAT: Yeah, he's been here.
GLENN: Okay. How did you not know
PAT: I was here.
GLENN: How did you not know that he was
PAT: I don't think I remembered or I didn't sense last time anyway that you were even more apocalyptic than Glenn? Is that
THOR: To a certain, to a certain degree.
THOR: It's just one of the many things Glenn and I have in common.
GLENN: Yes, we like to sit around and talk about how
THOR: Somebody I read this morning said, you know, this is obviously an anti American group. You know, the world is coming apart.
THOR: How it's going to happen.
PAT: So when do you think the world is all going to fly apart?
GLENN: Strangely a serious question.
THOR: It is a serious question. Obviously it can go either way. Nobody knows it's definitely the wheels are going to come off the bus.
THOR: But I certainly think there's a lot of stuff out there
THOR: to pay attention to.
GLENN: Brad. You're thinking that the wheels don't come off this bus?
THOR: March 3rd at 2:32 p.m.
GLENN: Seriously tell me how the wheels don't come off this bus?
THOR: It's I don't see how entitlement spending, which is one of the biggest ways to staunch the bleeding, it's the best quick clot we could use to save our republic. Our republic is bleeding out and we need some pressure bandages fast and
GLENN: Can you believe that Al Qaeda, they are calling this now Operation Hemorrhage? I mean, it's amazing.
THOR: It makes sense.
GLENN: What do you think of WikiLeaks?
THOR: I think WikiLeaks is very interesting. You know, somebody, and it wasn't me, somebody I read this morning had said, you know, this is obviously an anti American group. You know, Noam Chomsky is out there defending Bradley manning, the PFC who got all this up. By the way, how does this guy
GLENN: Thank you, thank you.
THOR: get this amount of stuff? That's the big story here. You know, I would think
GLENN: Three million people they say have had access to this, three million people.
THOR: When you I would imagine that after a couple of documents, all of a sudden something pops up, that big red light from 2001, a space in Odyssey and it says, Glenn, why are you accessing these documents?
THOR: Why do you want so many, Glenn? There's no safeguards. This guy walks in with a rewritable disc which
THOR: Did they suddenly decide not to bring a video camera in? Would that have been too obvious? How do you walk in and get this information? What I also find interesting is the left is starting to set them up as a victim. He's a gay man who broke up with his boyfriend allegedly. That's the big story. And I wouldn't be surprised if this evolved into his disgust with "Don't ask, don't tell" that this will be the way the left spins it, to really turn this guy into a victim the way we saw with Faisal Shahzad who was the Times Square would be car bomber who couldn't pay his mortgage. He stopped paying his mortgage. And my bottom line on this when it comes to Manning and Shahzad who got six life sentences, he is a naturalized citizen. Why wasn't he tried for treason and put to death? I think Bradley Manning has done a tremendous amount of damage. And treason should be we don't try for treason anymore. So why would we expect this behavior to stop?
GLENN: So Brad, you think it is just an anti American I mean, because look at what he's releasing. Were you surprised by anything that was released?
THOR: No. I think it confirms what a lot of us know.
THOR: And, you know, look at what it does to President Saleh in Yemen where he says to Petraeus, listen, we get it; we don't want these Al Qaeda guys here but it's tricky with public perception and everything. You keep whacking them; we'll keep taking the credit.
GLENN: You get
THOR: That's tough.
GLENN: You get you're around enough spooks, you're around enough people. How do we do business around the world anymore?
THOR: Well, I don't know how you can do this. I don't know, how do you trust somebody who's looked you in the eye and shook your hand and then went behind your back and said X, Y and Z? I mean, this is incredibly damaging for our State Department that already has granted there's a lot about the State Department I do not like but there are some great Americans there doing yeoman's labor and diplomacy if nothing else.
GLENN: I think I would fire everyone in the State Department. I think I would fire everyone in the state department.
THOR: And just start it all over again?
GLENN: Yep. Yep, I would fire everyone in the State Department. The State Department has been the problem in this country since the 1940s?
THOR: I would
GLENN: Am I wrong?
THOR: You are not wrong.
GLENN: Yeah. And they never go away. They never go away. And they have fought with our presidents and everything else. It's, the State Department and the Fed are nightmares, absolute nightmares and should be shut down.
THOR: I would agree with you 100%.
GLENN: So where do we go from here? First of all, what happens with North Korea do you think?
THOR: Well, here's the deal. I don't think the Chinese want millions of refugees pouring across their border. I think they would like to keep it contained. Is there some sort of reunification where there's a little bit of North Korea, a third left? I don't know. This is a sticky thing. But now the North the South Koreans have backed off of the artillery.
GLENN: Can you believe it?
THOR: "All right. Well, we're going to let you off this time, but don't do it again," you know?
PAT: Every time. They do that every time.
THOR: Every single. The North Koreans sunk one of their naval vessels.
PAT: They have no credibility anymore.
THOR: Killed a bunch of their sailors. Nope.
THOR: And what happens on the schoolyard? You don't punch the bully right in the nose, he keeps coming for your lunch money.
GLENN: Why not?
THOR: Why not?
GLENN: Why not pour across that border? Why not pour across that border? They are not going to do anything. The only thing you have to worry about is China. And is China will China? I mean, other than the refugees coming across their border, I mean, really are you going to let them China? I mean, that's as good as it gets? You are going to be South Korean and run across the border to China? Oh, that's going to be better for you than Kim Jung Il.
THOR: No. If anything the north wants people in the north would be better off running into South Korea, exactly. The thing is, you know, you look at this and Bill Crystal yesterday
GLENN: Wait, hang on just a second. I'm saying the other way. I'm saying that North Korea South Korea doesn't stop North Korea from coming down. And South Koreans try to get away from Kim Jung Il, where do they go?
THOR: Oh, that's
GLENN: Where are they going to go?
THOR: Well, we would have to step in and help them, wouldn't we?
GLENN: Right. Not going to happen. What do you think of the missile launch in I'm sorry, the plane, the contrail?
THOR: Contrail? Well, I saw your piece on it and I agree with you 100%. If this is such you know, where is all the other evidence that this has happened multiple times, that a plane contrail looks like this?
GLENN: Did you watch the video? Did you see the what definitely was not flame at the end? What definitely was not a missile separation? Definitely not.
GLENN: That was sunlight hitting the back wing or the back tail.
THOR: Listen, I'm one of these people who thinks that we got sent a message. And there's a reason that thing was going Chinese. Going out over the ocean.
GLENN: I agree with you.
THOR: And I've talked to some pretty smart guys, as I know you have, and that has been the consensus of people who I know and respect who know what they're talking about.
GLENN: Okay. So Brad has written another great book. It's called The Athena Project. It's available in bookstores everywhere. Give me the synopsis of it.
THOR: Well, it's a thriller and it's based upon, I found out from some of thigh contacts that Delta Force has quietly been haunting high end female athletic events, particularly triathlons in Hawaii, tapping some of these women on the shoulder saying, hey, you know what? How about you come be of service to your nation. And Delta Force has been training up some pretty high speed women to go out there and do some of this nation's most dangerous business. And I thought that's a great premise for a thriller. I did it and now Warner Brothers has picked it up and they are going to be turning it into a movie.
GLENN: This book?
GLENN: It just came out.
PAT: That's pretty cool.
THOR: Yep. They got an advance copy, they went nuts for it, and Hollywood's talking about it. Everybody wants to be in the movie, attached to the movie. That's a big deal, very exciting.
PAT: Jennifer Gardner.
GLENN: Is she great?
PAT: Got to get her.
GLENN: Is she great?
THOR: And double the salary. I'll match her salary if she'll leave Ben Affleck. That would Santa, if I could have anything for Christmas.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. Aren't you married?
THOR: I'm married. I just don't like Ben Affleck and I used to love the show Alias and that guy killed one of the best shows on television by
GLENN: Alias was great.
PAT: It was a great show.
GLENN: It was one of the best shows.
THOR: It was
GLENN: J. J. Abrams is unbelievable.
THOR: Lost, Alias. I've got pictures on my website, BradThor.com. People like why are you so anti Ben Affleck. I've got a picture of Jennifer Garner in one of her outfits on Alias and I have her and Ben Affleck, and then I have her coming out of a Starbucks, pregnant, no makeup on and then six lattes in her arms. And then Alias, final season cancelled. That's why I hate Ben Affleck. The guy destroys everything he touches!
GLENN: (Laughing). He doesn't feel passionate about it at all.
THOR: Why can't we get him in the White House instead of that guy from Harold and Kumar? Go to White Castle. Let him work some of that great Affleck magic in the White House.