GLENN: We were talking about John McCain and the election. Let me talk to you a little bit about this economic stimulus package that has happened this week. What are your thoughts on that?
SENATOR SANTORUM: Well, I mean, we sort of bought into the idea that, you know, what the left, that the Cainsians believe that you just give people money and somehow that will, $100 billion or $150 billion in a multitrillion dollar economy, tens of trillions of dollar economy is somehow going to make a difference. I don't think it will make much of a difference. That's not how you stimulate business. We're going through a point where, you know, we have to stimulate, you know, the business side of this economy and we should be doing it through trying to take this regressive tax code that we have on businesses. We have some of the highest rates on capital, we have some of the highest corporate income tax rates around the world and we have to compete with the world. And there are a lot of places around the world over the last few years we've done well; they've done better. Why? Because they're on better economic competitive footing and, you know, we should be using this as an opportunity to get our tax structure much more competitive as the world becomes more competitive to us and, of course, we don't. We say, oh, well, we've got to give out checks, $300 checks to families. And that's great, but I tell you those families have better paying jobs because they are a more competitive country than the $300 check.
GLENN: What do you predict will happen when, when and if it looks like Hillary Clinton is going to get the nomination after what she said just this week, I think it was in the "New York Times," may have been "The Washington Post" where she talked about we need stronger government regulation on businesses, we need a stronger government and we need, you know, basically higher taxes?
SENATOR SANTORUM: Open your eyes, America. I mean, this is exactly what the Democrat -- Democratic party, bless their hearts, on the area of business and the economy and the role of the federal government hasn't changed since the 1960s. It is the same party that at the height of the time that many Americans were looking across the pond and saying, you know all this socialism, this looks like it works pretty well, the Democratic party wrapped their armed around it and said, you know, stronger government, more top-down control of this will create fairness, will create equity, will create -- you know, Americans will prosper because all Americans will be equal and Government will make sure with the redistribution of wealth that we can make that happen. It failed and failed miserably every place it was attempted. Yet there is still this wanting in the Democratic party, this appeal that this can work here in America where it's failed everywhere else. It won't work. Americans heretofore have rejected that and I hope because of, you know, a war that for a long period of time was not run particularly well and because of what we've seen with the economy taking a little bit of a downward turn right now will not accept this siren song that somehow government and government involvement and government, you know, being the judicial, the great equaler is the way to approach these problems.
GLENN: You know, it's not just the Democratic party, though, that feels this way anymore. It is, there's a lot of people in the Republican party that also feel that, you know, the government should be -- I mean, you know, I know this is not the Republicans but there's a feeling of what the Times said in their endorsement of Hillary Clinton that she -- where is it here -- that she would have more effective government spending. There is a feeling, even in the Republican party, that it's not that we should cut spending, make government smaller, but we should just be more effective at our spending.
SENATOR SANTORUM: Well, we do need to cut government, we do need to make it smaller and we do need to take the money that we are spending, that we will spend and make it more effective. We do need to be more effective. I mean, we do need to look at government programs and, you know, I was the lead sponsor of the 1996 welfare reform bill. There's a bill that if you look at it, when we passed it we didn't actually cut spending. We didn't say, well, we were going to reduce the amount of spending. What we did was we reformed the program, created different incentives, got people off the rolls and into work and spending went down precipitously even though there wasn't a specific cut in spending. What we did was we changed all the incentives and as a result we saw the rolls cut in half, spending go way down and people's lives to be transformed. There's a lot of work to be done in government to make it effective, I agree with that, but then you have the foundational question is, is government involved in too many things and the answer obviously from my perspective is yes.
GLENN: Is there a guy that -- I don't think you've endorsed anybody, have you?
SENATOR SANTORUM: I have not.
GLENN: Is there a guy that you're leaning towards?
SENATOR SANTORUM: Well, you know, the field is getting thin. So right now, I mean, there's four folks in the race at this point and, you know, we'll find out. If you believe the polls, that may be down to three after Florida and, you know, at that point I may want to look. But, you know, there's no one that I can say that I'm enthusiastic enough to take time out of what is a very, very busy private sector life and family life to devote myself to endorse. So I think I'm happy, you know, commenting on your show and sort of keeping a neutral stance at this point.
GLENN: What does that say for the election? Is there a way to win? Because I think everybody, I think everybody feels that way. Even the guy that -- I'm leaning towards two different people and even those two, I mean, I just said on the air yesterday I'm going to keep them on such a short leash. If they would become President of the United States, they don't get the benefit of my doubt. By your actions I will know you.
SENATOR SANTORUM: Yeah. That's where I look. Every one of these candidates has had a journey in the last year to get to where they are to try to position themselves in the middle of the Republican parties to get the nomination and when people are on such journeys, certainly even John McCain now who's said he's heard the people on the issue of immigration as one example and he's all of a sudden, even though, you know, he voted against the Bush tax cuts, now he's for the Bush tax cuts. So I mean, there's a journey that everybody is finally waking up to that you can't win a Republican nomination by not being a Republican. And so there's a big question mark in a lot of people's minds, you know, what will happen if and when they have the opportunity to serve, will they revert back to where they were, is this a true transformation or is this just trying to get the votes they need in the primary to get the nomination and go back to where they were.
GLENN: All right. Rick Santorum, always great to talk to you, sir.
SENATOR SANTORUM: My pleasure. It's an honor to be on your show, sir.
GLENN: I hope there's more public life and service in your future.
SENATOR SANTORUM: We'll see. I appreciate the confidence.