Mitt Romney Interview

Glenn: They're saying now that there is a possibility that 50 percent of all the votes that are being cast in Florida today have already been cast. They were the early votes. No concept of what that means for the outcome tonight. One of the guys who is -- who is running for President of the United States and neck in neck right now, it is a statistical dead heat, is on the phone with us, Mitt Romney. Welcome to the program, governor.

Governor Romney: Good morning, Glenn. Good to be with you.

Glenn: How are things in Florida?

Governor Romney: You know, Florida is beautiful this morning as it typically is and I've got tell you, I've had some huge rallies in Florida. I'm getting more support here and, you think, I think I'm going to win this one.

Glenn: Well, you have the momentum going in. The polls are showing that you're surging, but, I mean, it's a dead heat. It's going to be a nail biter tonight.

Governor Romney: Well, I think you're right but I think what brings people over to my side in the final analysis is they're concerned about the economy, they're concerned about the value of their retirement funds, the value of their homes, the strength of their job, the cost of health care, the cost of gasoline, and I know they've got to have a President who actually understands the real economy and when Senator McCain has said time and again that the economy is not his strong suit, I think that really is tough for people who want to make sure you've got somebody who understands how jobs come and go.

Glenn: You know, you're surging in the polls all across the country because people are starting now to pay attention to you and know who you are. For anybody who doesn't know your history, when it comes to the economy, who are you? What is your experience?

Governor Romney: Well, you know, I came out of graduate school and went to work in the consulting world. I spent 25 years in business. I was head of a consulting company, then I worked for a company who bought companies and started companies. One of the ones I worked for was Staples. I spent over a decade helping Staples and we added about 20,000 jobs there and then after that I got asked to come out and run the Olympics in Utah which I did, I was asked if I would run for governor, I did, and Massachusetts was in real trouble financially, losing money very badly, and losing jobs and we were able to turn the state around. So, my background is working in the real economy and, frankly, you've got a lot of politicians in Washington who have never had a job in the real economy and it's no wonder they don't understand it.

Glenn: The Florida economy, especially with housing in real trouble, would you bail people out that, you know, got into these real bad loans? Would you bail individuals out as the Government?

Governor Romney: Well, the Government does not have a responsibility to bail out investors or people who take unreasonable risks. At the same time, there are some people who got really surprised. They signed up for a mortgage. They're able to meet the original obligation for that original, but now the mortgage has reset has much higher rate, they can't meet it and in some cases we could give them help if they could pay the original terms of their mortgage. We would rather have them stay in their home than have them dump the home to flower closure into the market. So, the expanding the ability of the FHA to guarantee some loans, I think, makes sense to make sure we don't depress the housing market because that, of course, affects all of us.

Glenn: McCain suggested that you and Hillary Clinton have similar views in Iraq and if I may quote him, he said, now, one of my opponents wanted to set a date for withdrawal which would mean disaster if we surrender, wave a white flag like Senator Clinton wants to do and withdraw from Iraq. You then demanded an apology but McCain said that you should apologize and, if I may quote him again, "I think the apology is owed to the young men and women serving this nation in uniform from Governor Romney."

Governor Romney: Well, it's too bad when somebody wants to be President so bad that they'll say anything against their opponent and obviously his statement has been discredited -- well, everybody from Bill Bennett to the "New York Times". I have never called for a specific date of withdrawal from Iraq and the senator knows that. We've debated now 13 times. That's never been said by anybody but Ron Paul. So, even if Ron Paul -- I'm not even sure he said it. So, it's totally false and he knows that. But, you know, he accomplished his mission. It's something which Washington politicians do time and again which is try and distort their opponent's views and then attack them and in this case I think you're going to find the voters of Florida saying that he had enough of that kind of Washington politician speak and they're just not going to send another Washington politician back to Washington. They know that that's not going to get things fixed.

Glenn: There is a story in the Drudge Report today that there was an internal memo or something from you guys. What was it called, Stu? What is it? Yeah. I can't remember what it was called, but it was on McCain's outburst and I have heard from several people and this is why he lost in 2000, is because this guy's got a nasty temper. The temperament of the President of the United States, an important thing to you?

Governor Romney: Well, I think it's a critical thing. I think people recognize that when they select a president, it's going to be hard to know precisely what the challenges our nations will face in the ensuing eight years and they want a person who has the judgment and the wisdom and the decision making capacity and the temperment to be able to deal with the challenges that arise and I think that's in part why typically people look for individuals outside Washington, governors over senators, because they know that governors have been experienced, they've been tested, they've been able to deal with tough circumstances, and senators, of course, are wonderful people but they haven't had the chance of actual executive leadership and they want somebody who has been tested and has been found able to deal with that kind of stress.

Glenn: Tonight on television we're doing the beginning of a story and then fully expanding it on tomorrow on McCain's Hispanic outreach director. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but he has just had now in his campaign Juan Hernandez. Hernandez is a guy who I've had on the television show several times, to the point where I couldn't take him anymore and I banned him from the show because honestly blood would shoot out of my eyes because he has said things and I quote, "I want Mexican Americans, the third generation, the seventh generation, I want them all to think Mexico first." If McCain is a guy who has this guy in as his his sponge outreach director and he's doing this during the primary for the republican party, good heavens. What will this man do when he's President of the United States, when it comes to the border and what is the difference between you and him and how can anyone trust any of you politicians that you're actually going to put a fence up on the border?

Governor Romney: Well, I will put a fence up. I will also say that we're going to have an employment system that makes sure employers know who's here legally and who's here illegally and if somebody is here illegally, we will sanction employers who hire them, anyway, and those that have come here illegally are welcome to get in line with everybody else that wants to come here, but there are to be no special pathway, no special privilege for becoming a preventive resident or citizen by somebody who's come here legally and I know John McCain and I disagree on this. His plan has been called by everybody who has looked at, an amnesty plan. It is the wrong way to go for this country and the idea that you describe with his outreach coordinator is one which I find totally add odds with the history of this country.

Glenn: Are you following at all what's happening in Arizona? They've got the -- they've just now instituted the law where if you knowingly hire an illegal alien, the company is in trouble and the illegal aliens are sent back home and Mexico and a lot of the law makers in Arizona didn't even know this when we started to call them and find out what the deal was but law makers from Mexico came to law makers in Arizona and met in the Arizona Capitol and said, we cannot afford the jobs, the schools, and the hospitals in Mexico. You cannot send these people back. Please don't enforce this law. Any reaction to that?

Governor Romney: Well, I want to enforce that law nationally. My view is that we should say to employers that before they hire someone, they have to determine if they have a valid Social Security number and, therefore, are you a U.S. citizen. If not, they have to look at their document which I would give them a card, a tamper proof card which shows whether they're here legally or not and only those that are here legally would be able to be hired and those that are here illegally an employer could not hire and if they do, you sanction the employer severely. Now, I don't want to stop the ability of this nation to have people come here as immigrants. That's a wonderful thing for our country but I want them to come legally. This morning I'm going to be in Tampa celebrating with my own folks in a big rally, but down the hall there is going to be 700 people who have going to be sworn in as U.S. citizens. I like that. I like legal immigration, but illegal immigration has got to end and amnesty is not the way to do it.

Glenn: Bill Clinton said that McCain and Hillary Clinton are very close. Are you close with Hillary Clinton?

Governor Romney: I've met her once or twice, but I'll have to say we're very, very far apart, but Senator McCain is known as Feingold which the democrats love and which is a disaster for our party and I think a real strike at the First Amendment. Of course, Hillary Clinton and Senator McCain supported that. The next piece was McCain Kennedy which is this amnesty style immigration bill which, of course, Hillary Clinton supported, as does Senator McCain and the last is this McCain Lieberman bill which would end up putting about a 50¢ per gallon and would cost the average homeowner here in Florida about a thousand dollars a year. Again, you have something that Hillary Clinton likes, John McCain likes, and I think is a terrible idea.

Glenn: The State of the union happened last night. Did anything in that jump out at you in the economy, where you thought, oh, geez, this is not the right direction to go?

Governor Romney: Well, there were a couple of things where I would have taken exception with the President, not a lot, but, you know, this is a man who has no ax to grind. He's getting out of politics. He's saying it as he feels it, but there were a couple of things that I disagreed with. One was the idea that we need to have a very large expansion of our guest worker program to bring more workers into the country. That's not something which would have jumped to my mind as a high priority. I know we have a Visa program that allows people to come to our country and work and if from time to time we need to expand or contract different forms of it, that's one thing, but a major guest worker program would not have been on my list and I would have made a bigger deal of saying, look, those who are here illegally need to go home.

Glenn: Right. I've got just a couple of seconds and I don't want to bring up a sore subject, but are you disappointed that you didn't get the Times endorsement?

Governor Romney: (Laughter.) Let me tell you. That's like the kiss of death.

Glenn: I really thought the times was really actually for you and they thought, if we endorse McCain, everyone will be for Romney.

Governor Romney: That was the best gift they could have given me. That and the "Boston Globe". I would have liked to see them go elsewhere, but I don't think they ever considered my candidacy.

Glenn: Governor Mitt Romney. Thank you, sir.

From the moment the 33-year-old Thomas Jefferson arrived at the Continental Congress in Philadelphia in 1776, he was on the radical side. That caused John Adams to like him immediately. Then the Congress stuck Jefferson and Adams together on the five-man committee to write a formal statement justifying a break with Great Britain, and their mutual admiration society began.

Jefferson thought Adams should write the Declaration. But Adams protested, saying, “It can't come from me because I'm obnoxious and disliked." Adams reasoned that Jefferson was not obnoxious or disliked, therefore he should write it. Plus, he flattered Jefferson, by telling him he was a great writer. It was a master class in passing the buck.

So, over the next 17 days, Jefferson holed up in his room, applying his lawyer skills to the ideas of the Enlightenment. He borrowed freely from existing documents like the Virginia Declaration of Rights. He later wrote that “he was not striving for originality of principle or sentiment." Instead, he hoped his words served as “an expression of the American mind."

It's safe to say he achieved his goal.

The five-man committee changed about 25 percent of Jefferson's first draft of the Declaration before submitting it to Congress. Then, Congress altered about one-fifth of that draft. But most of the final Declaration's words are Jefferson's, including the most famous passage — the Preamble — which Congress left intact. The result is nothing less than America's mission statement, the words that ultimately bind the nation together. And words that we desperately need to rediscover because of our boiling partisan rage.

The Declaration is brilliant in structure and purpose. It was designed for multiple audiences: the King of Great Britain, the colonists, and the world. And it was designed for multiple purposes: rallying the troops, gaining foreign allies, and announcing the creation of a new country.

The Declaration is structured in five sections: the Introduction, Preamble, the Body composed of two parts, and the Conclusion. It's basically the most genius breakup letter ever written.

In the Introduction, step 1 is the notificationI think we need to break up. And to be fair, I feel I owe you an explanation...

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…

The Continental Congress felt they were entitled by “the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" to “dissolve the political bands," but they needed to prove the legitimacy of their cause. They were defying the world's most powerful nation and needed to motivate foreign allies to join the effort. So, they set their struggle within the entire “Course of human events." They're saying, this is no petty political spat — this is a major event in world history.

Step 2 is declaring what you believe in, your standardsHere's what I'm looking for in a healthy relationship...

This is the most famous part of the Declaration; the part school children recite — the Preamble:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That's as much as many Americans know of the Declaration. But the Preamble is the DNA of our nation, and it really needs to be taken as a whole:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Preamble takes us through a logical progression: All men are created equal; God gives all humans certain inherent rights that cannot be denied; these include the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; to protect those rights, we have governments set up; but when a government fails to protect our inherent rights, people have the right to change or replace it.

Government is only there to protect the rights of mankind. They don't have any power unless we give it to them. That was an extraordinarily radical concept then and we're drifting away from it now.

The Preamble is the justification for revolution. But note how they don't mention Great Britain yet. And again, note how they frame it within a universal context. These are fundamental principles, not just squabbling between neighbors. These are the principles that make the Declaration just as relevant today. It's not just a dusty parchment that applied in 1776.

Step 3 is laying out your caseHere's why things didn't work out between us. It's not me, it's you...

This is Part 1 of the Body of the Declaration. It's the section where Jefferson gets to flex his lawyer muscles by listing 27 grievances against the British crown. This is the specific proof of their right to rebellion:

He has obstructed the administration of justice...

For imposing taxes on us without our consent...

For suspending our own legislatures...

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us...

Again, Congress presented these “causes which impel them to separation" in universal terms to appeal to an international audience. It's like they were saying, by joining our fight you'll be joining mankind's overall fight against tyranny.

Step 4 is demonstrating the actions you took I really tried to make this relationship work, and here's how...

This is Part 2 of the Body. It explains how the colonists attempted to plead their case directly to the British people, only to have the door slammed in their face:

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury...

They too have been deaf to the voice of justice... We must, therefore... hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

This basically wrapped up America's argument for independence — we haven't been treated justly, we tried to talk to you about it, but since you refuse to listen and things are only getting worse, we're done here.

Step 5 is stating your intent — So, I think it's best if we go our separate ways. And my decision is final...

This is the powerful Conclusion. If people know any part of the Declaration besides the Preamble, this is it:

...that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved...

They left no room for doubt. The relationship was over, and America was going to reboot, on its own, with all the rights of an independent nation.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The message was clear — this was no pitchfork mob. These were serious men who had carefully thought through the issues before taking action. They were putting everything on the line for this cause.

The Declaration of Independence is a landmark in the history of democracy because it was the first formal statement of a people announcing their right to choose their own government. That seems so obvious to us now, but in 1776 it was radical and unprecedented.

In 1825, Jefferson wrote that the purpose of the Declaration was “not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of… but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm… to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take."

You're not going to do better than the Declaration of Independence. Sure, it worked as a means of breaking away from Great Britain, but its genius is that its principles of equality, inherent rights, and self-government work for all time — as long as we actually know and pursue those principles.

On June 7, 1776, the Second Continental Congress met in Philadelphia at the Pennsylvania State House, better known today as Independence Hall. Virginia delegate Richard Henry Lee introduced a motion calling for the colonies' independence. The “Lee Resolution" was short and sweet:

Resolved, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved.

Intense debate followed, and the Congress voted 7 to 5 (with New York abstaining) to postpone a vote on Lee's Resolution. They called a recess for three weeks. In the meantime, the delegates felt they needed to explain what they were doing in writing. So, before the recess, they appointed a five-man committee to come up with a formal statement justifying a break with Great Britain. They appointed two men from New England — Roger Sherman and John Adams; two from the middle colonies — Robert Livingston and Benjamin Franklin; and one Southerner — Thomas Jefferson. The responsibility for writing what would become the Declaration of Independence fell to Jefferson.

In the rotunda of the National Archives building in Washington, D.C., there are three original documents on permanent display: the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. These are the three pillars of the United States, yet America barely seems to know them anymore. We need to get reacquainted — quickly.

In a letter to his friend John Adams in 1816, Jefferson wrote: “I like the dreams of the future, better than the history of the past."

America used to be a forward-looking nation of dreamers. We still are in spots, but the national attitude that we hear broadcast loudest across media is not looking toward the future with optimism and hope. In late 2017, a national poll found 59% of Americans think we are currently at the “lowest point in our nation's history that they can remember."

America spends far too much time looking to the past for blame and excuse. And let's be honest, even the Right is often more concerned with “owning the left" than helping point anyone toward the practical principles of the Declaration of Independence. America has clearly lost touch with who we are as a nation. We have a national identity crisis.

The Declaration of Independence is America's thesis statement, and without it America doesn't exist.

It is urgent that we get reacquainted with the Declaration of Independence because postmodernism would have us believe that we've evolved beyond the America of our founding documents, and thus they're irrelevant to the present and the future. But the Declaration of Independence is America's thesis statement, and without it America doesn't exist.

Today, much of the nation is so addicted to partisan indignation that "day-to-day" indignation isn't enough to feed the addiction. So, we're reaching into America's past to help us get our fix. In 2016, Democrats in the Louisiana state legislature tabled a bill that would have required fourth through sixth graders to recite the opening lines of the Declaration. They didn't table it because they thought it would be too difficult or too patriotic. They tabled it because the requirement would include the phrase “all men are created equal" and the progressives in the Louisiana legislature didn't want the children to have to recite a lie. Representative Barbara Norton said, “One thing that I do know is, all men are not created equal. When I think back in 1776, July the fourth, African Americans were slaves. And for you to bring a bill to request that our children will recite the Declaration, I think it's a little bit unfair to us. To ask our children to recite something that's not the truth. And for you to ask those children to repeat the Declaration stating that all men's are free. I think that's unfair."

Remarkable — an elected representative saying it wouldn't be fair for students to have to recite the Declaration because “all men are not created equal." Another Louisiana Democrat explained that the government born out of the Declaration “was used against races of people." I guess they missed that part in school where they might have learned that the same government later made slavery illegal and amended the Constitution to guarantee all men equal protection under the law. The 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were an admission of guilt by the nation regarding slavery, and an effort to right the wrongs.

Yet, the progressive logic goes something like this: many of the men who signed the Declaration of Independence, including Thomas Jefferson who wrote it, owned slaves; slavery is evil; therefore, the Declaration of Independence is not valid because it was created by evil slave owners.

It's a sad reality that the left has a very hard time appreciating the universal merits of the Declaration of Independence because they're so hung up on the long-dead issue of slavery. And just to be clear — because people love to take things out of context — of course slavery was horrible. Yes, it is a total stain on our history. But defending the Declaration of Independence is not an effort to excuse any aspect of slavery.

Okay then, people might say, how could the Founders approve the phrase “All men are created equal," when many of them owned slaves? How did they miss that?

They didn't miss it. In fact, Thomas Jefferson included an anti-slavery passage in his first draft of the Declaration. The paragraph blasted King George for condoning slavery and preventing the American Colonies from passing legislation to ban slavery:

He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights to life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere... Determined to keep open a market where men should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce.

We don't say “execrable" that much anymore. It means, utterly detestable, abominable, abhorrent — basically very bad.

Jefferson was upset when Georgia and North Carolina threw up the biggest resistance to that paragraph. Ultimately, those two states twisted Congress' arm to delete the paragraph.

Still, how could a man calling the slave trade “execrable" be a slaveowner himself? No doubt about it, Jefferson was a flawed human being. He even had slaves from his estate in Virginia attending him while he was in Philadelphia, in the very apartment where he was writing the Declaration.

Many of the Southern Founders deeply believed in the principles of the Declaration yet couldn't bring themselves to upend the basis of their livelihood. By 1806, Virginia law made it more difficult for slave owners to free their slaves, especially if the owner had significant debts as Jefferson did.

At the same time, the Founders were not idiots. They understood the ramifications of signing on to the principles described so eloquently in the Declaration. They understood that logically, slavery would eventually have to be abolished in America because it was unjust, and the words they were committing to paper said as much. Remember, John Adams was on the committee of five that worked on the Declaration and he later said that the Revolution would never be complete until the slaves were free.

Also, the same generation that signed the Declaration started the process of abolition by banning the importation of slaves in 1807. Jefferson was President at the time and he urged Congress to pass the law.

America has an obvious road map that, as a nation, we're not consulting often enough.

The Declaration took a major step toward crippling the institution of slavery. It made the argument for the first time about the fundamental rights of all humans which completely undermined slavery. Planting the seeds to end slavery is not nearly commendable enough for leftist critics, but you can't discount the fact that the seeds were planted. It's like they started an expiration clock for slavery by approving the Declaration. Everything that happened almost a century later to end slavery, and then a century after that with the Civil Rights movement, flowed from the principles voiced in the Declaration.

Ironically for a movement that calls itself progressive, it is obsessed with retrying and judging the past over and over. Progressives consider this a better use of time than actually putting past abuses in the rearview and striving not to be defined by ancestral failures.

It can be very constructive to look to the past, but not when it's used to flog each other in the present. Examining history is useful in providing a road map for the future. And America has an obvious road map that, as a nation, we're not consulting often enough. But it's right there, the original, under glass. The ink is fading, but the words won't die — as long as we continue to discuss them.

'Good Morning Texas' gives exclusive preview of Mercury One museum

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Mercury One is holding a special exhibition over the 4th of July weekend, using hundreds of artifacts, documents and augmented reality experiences to showcase the history of slavery — including slavery today — and a path forward. Good Morning Texas reporter Paige McCoy Smith went through the exhibit for an exclusive preview with Mercury One's chief operating officer Michael Little on Tuesday.

Watch the video below to see the full preview.

Click here to purchase tickets to the museum (running from July 4 - 7).

Over the weekend, journalist Andy Ngo and several other apparent right-leaning people were brutally beaten by masked-gangs of Antifa protesters in Portland, Oregon. Short for "antifascist," Antifa claims to be fighting for social justice and tolerance — by forcibly and violently silencing anyone with opposing opinions. Ngo, who was kicked, punched, and sprayed with an unknown substance, is currently still in the hospital with a "brain bleed" as a result of the savage attack. Watch the video to get the details from Glenn.