GLENN: Putting the radio back into Radio City, this is the third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, my friend, my friends. My name is Glenn Beck, and Dr. Dobson is with us now. Hello, Dr. Dobson.
DR. DOBSON: Hello, Glenn.
GLENN: How are you, sir?
DR. DOBSON: Well, I'm kind of disappointed this morning but that's the way it is.
GLENN: I'm thinking about putting my car in the garage and pulling the garage door down and letting the engine run. You're just slightly disappointed?
DR. DOBSON: That's an understatement obviously but the Republicans have spoken and so sobeit.
GLENN: So are you a Republican? You are a conservative. You are not a Republican. You are a conservative first, right?
DR. DOBSON: I am a decided conservative. The party doesn't mean a lot to me and I tend to vote my conscience and that's certainly going to be the case this time.
GLENN: Okay. So --
DR. DOBSON: I'm so disappointed in the outcome because John McCain is not a conservative. You know, he has gone out of his way to say that he can hardly stand us. You know, his major legislation has really represented the views of Kennedy and Lieberman and Feingold and others and so I just do not believe he will make a good President, and I just regret what happened last night.
GLENN: You know, I talked to Pat Robertson last night and he said, you know, it wasn't too long ago that, I mean, we were slapped across the face by John McCain saying that he was an agent of intolerance and now all of a sudden everybody's rallying around him. So let me ask you this, Dr. Dobson: Here's the question that everybody is going to be faced if you're a conservative. You are going to be faced with this. You've got two people on the other side. We don't know if it's going to be Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, but they're nightmares. They are socialists and I believe liberal fascists that are a little happy face on fascism and telling everybody exactly how to live their life and I think they will tube the country. You've got that or you've got John McCain. So it's kind of like do you want to be stabbed to death or do you want me just to get it over quickly with a gun. What do you do?
DR. DOBSON: Well, speaking personally I'm between a rock and a hard place, Glenn. I'm not suggesting that anyone else answer that question the way I do. In fact, I hope they don't because I'm speaking only for myself, only for myself.
GLENN: Got it.
DR. DOBSON: But for more than 35 years I fought to defend the sanctity of human life and the moral principles in which I believe, and I have voted all those years for the values in which I believe and this time I just, I can't do it. If it comes down to McCain and those two nightmares that you talked about, they are, they will be a nightmare for people that whole conservative years. What they will do to Supreme Court, what they will do to the family, the tax increases. I mean, it will be awful. So this is a matter of conscience for me and I just, I just can't vote for either one of them.
GLENN: Okay. Can you vote for John McCain?
DR. DOBSON: No. No, I can't. And people are livid about that and I understand it. I mean, I have always voted. Ever since I've been an adult I've voted. But this time, I'm telling you I'm backed up against a wall.
GLENN: You know, I feel the same way. Now let me speak to you. Let me just, may we take a walk down one of the branches of the freak trees that, where you and I agree. We were joking off the air here. Do you know the Mayan calendar ends in 2012. You and I know that we are facing dark times. You and I believe that -- I don't mean to put words in your mouth but I believe you believe this, that we are possibly facing the latter days, that we are facing out-and-out evil on the other side of the Earth that is coming to destroy us. One side will fight against it. The other side, Clinton and Barack Obama, will not fight against it because they refuse to call evil by its name. So how do you stand motionless when you're faced with that?
DR. DOBSON: That is a question, Glenn, that gives me nightmares. It keeps me up at night because we're in a very, very serious crisis, not only in the United States but in the world at this time. There are millions and millions of people out there who believe it is their duty to destroy us. I mean, they are rewarded in heaven for doing it and, you know, there is 1.2 billion Muslims, and if only 4% of them feel that way and that is a major part of their theology, they buy into the jihadist idea, what is that, 48 million people willing to die to kill you? That's the kind of world we're living in and so from that perspective there is just no real good answer, but this is where I am. That, you know, there are some times when you have to stand on principle. If it were, we'll say 1860 and the two candidates were both good strong conservative leaders but both of them believed in slavery, would you vote for either one of them? I could not. I couldn't vote for somebody that would subject other human beings to involuntary servitude. There's a point at which I can't lend my name and my vote and my influence in a representative form of government to somebody who contradicts those basic principles. It's just something that I can't do, and people aren't going to understand that but that's where I am.
GLENN: You know, Dr. Dobson, I'm with you. I hope I have the courage to do it and to not pull the lever. I hope I have the courage to do it. I am just so concerned. I mean, we're spending ourself into oblivion, we are destroying ourself with this perfect storm that is coming around. There are just so many things that are happening and to stand there on the sidelines, I know it doesn't make sense to a lot of people but I'm a recovering alcoholic, and you cannot force somebody to change their life. You cannot force somebody to, you know, to restart and to find values and to find a pathway to happiness. You can't force them to do it. They've got to find bottom. And I was hoping that the bottom for the Republican party had already happened, but it hasn't happened. And until they find the bottom, they will not find those values that will resurrect not only the party but this country.
DR. DOBSON: Yeah. Well, I think it was Winston Churchill who said democracy's the worst form of government if the people want evil and if they want things that are bad, there's no stopping them. And it appears that many people in this country want a piece of the pie, they want the money from the Government, they want to bankrupt us because that's where we're headed with more entitlements.
And Glenn, I want to make something clear if you will allow me.
DR. DOBSON: I did not endorse anybody yesterday. I didn't endorse Romney or Huckabee. I did say that if one of them gets the nomination, I would vote for them. But I did not endorse them. But Governor Romney took the recording of my comments about McCain, not about him, and used it in a Robo call program yesterday in California, implying that it was an endorsement, and I didn't do that. My comment was about John McCain and my great concerns about him and I was just watching through my fingers last night as the results came in, and the sad thing again is that 80% of the Romney voters said they were conservative and 75% of the Huckabee voters did and that's in all but six states. So they divided the conservative vote right down the middle and that's how McCain is where he is.
GLENN: But you know, I don't understand, quite honestly I don't understand Mike Huckabee. I really don't. I have had delightful conversations with Mike Huckabee; I've had tense conversations with Mike Huckabee because I think he says things like -- what was it yesterday, Stu, where he just kind of just -- oh, yeah. He just said, well, you know, I think maybe this whole Romney thing is just because all of the talk show hosts, they all work for Clear Channel and, you know, Romney's company is involved with Clear Channel.
First of all, Romney's company is not involved with Clear Channel. It's one of the companies that wants to buy Clear Channel. Romney's not even involved. And most, it's me and Rush that work for Clear Channel. That's it. But he just, he's a smear artist. Last night on television I asked him, I said, why aren't you attacking the frontrunner? Why are you going after Mitt Romney? And he admitted to me that it was a blood sport. And I don't even under -- I don't even begin to understand that. You know, I said to Mike Huckabee and I have said to Mitt Romney: If people of faith who will admit to me that we are facing evil and quite possibly the evil that has been predicted by prophets forever, if we can't come together and stand together as evangelicals and Mormons and Catholics and protestants and everybody else, if we can't come together, we're done. We're done. We've got to unite with each other. How do we get this message out?
DR. DOBSON: Well, I think there would be a uniting if there were not two alternatives here and that's what split the vote. You know, we don't have any perfect candidates this year. We don't have a Ronald Reagan, at least not in my view but there are, I think, some principles that Huckabee and Romney stand for that would be acceptable. But, man, McCain is a mile off to the left of all of that and he's just gone out of his way to just insult us over and over again.
With regard to where we are in eschatology and where we are in in the scheme of things, I wasn't able to hear the conversation that you-all had in the last half hour apparently about the Mayan calendar.
GLENN: No, no, no, we were joking about the Mayan calendar, that it ends in 2012 and I don't think Jesus is going to say, hey, I had to come back, the Mayan calendar said so. I mean, so we were just joking about it. But I do believe that there is a possibility. They have been saying this for thousands of years, I know. But I do believe that there is a possibility that we are facing those times.
DR. DOBSON: Glenn, it does feel to me like that things are coming to some kind of crisis, some kind of conclusion and as a Christian I do believe that Jesus Christ is going to return. That's the centerpiece of my belief system and whether we're there or not, I know my father was a minister and he believed it was going to happen in his lifetime related to World War II and so on and I know people have thought that in the past.
GLENN: The apostles thought that.
DR. DOBSON: And he hasn't come. But boy, it does look like things are lining up here.
GLENN: Dr. Dobson, I appreciate your advice and we would love to have you on as we get closer and closer to the campaign just to keep some of us who are -- because, you know, I'm a weak guy and I want to stand for the values that I believe in but I'm afraid, quite honestly, that as it gets closer and closer and closer, I'm going to look at it and say, good heavens, I just can't take Clinton or Obama because it's going to be so much worse but as I look at it now without the passion, without these political parties revving you up to hate the other side, it doesn't make a difference.
DR. DOBSON: Well, that's exactly where I am, Glenn. I mean, it's precisely what is gnawing on my insides at this time because I know the dangers of what Clinton and Obama stand for. I know what they will do to us and yet I'm being asked to do something that contradicts my conscience, and I don't know whether I'll have the courage to do it or not, either. But as of this moment if I had to vote tomorrow, I would look for some other alternative or I wouldn't vote. Now, maybe when the time comes I'll do something different, but for right now that's the way I feel.
GLENN: Have you ever not voted in your life?
DR. DOBSON: Not once, never in my life.
GLENN: Me, neither.
DR. DOBSON: Not once have I failed to vote. And what concerns me is if people don't go to vote for the President, they won't go to vote for the house and the Senate and the governors and other races, and conservatives will just opt out. And that's not an answer, either. I mean, if we don't have a filibuster effect in the Senate, I mean, they have just a blank check to destroy us.
GLENN: Amazing. Dr. Dobson, thank you so much, sir.
DR. DOBSON: You are a good man, Glenn. Thanks for what you're doing. It's a pleasure talking to you and I'd love to be on your show sometime.
GLENN: Thank you very much. All right. You know what, Dr. Dobson? Are you there?
DR. DOBSON: Yeah.
GLENN: Before you go I would love to -- may I invite you to do an hour with us on television? Could we -- I think my people have called before. We would love to fly you in and do an hour on television with you.
DR. DOBSON: You know, we've been talking about that. I would really enjoy doing that. I am, at this moment, sequestered in a little condo out in California writing a book, "Bringing Up Girls" and that's taking up all my time but at some point when I get through with this, I would really love it.
GLENN: You got it. Thank you, Dr. Dobson.
DR. DOBSON: Okay.
GLENN: Appreciate it, bye-bye.