Glenn talks with Dr. Dobson

GLENN: Putting the radio back into Radio City, this is the third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, my friend, my friends. My name is Glenn Beck, and Dr. Dobson is with us now. Hello, Dr. Dobson.

DR. DOBSON: Hello, Glenn.

GLENN: How are you, sir?

DR. DOBSON: Well, I'm kind of disappointed this morning but that's the way it is.

GLENN:  I'm thinking about putting my car in the garage and pulling the garage door down and letting the engine run. You're just slightly disappointed?

DR. DOBSON: That's an understatement obviously but the Republicans have spoken and so sobeit.

GLENN: So are you a Republican? You are a conservative. You are not a Republican. You are a conservative first, right?

DR. DOBSON: I am a decided conservative. The party doesn't mean a lot to me and I tend to vote my conscience and that's certainly going to be the case this time.

GLENN: Okay. So --

DR. DOBSON: I'm so disappointed in the outcome because John McCain is not a conservative. You know, he has gone out of his way to say that he can hardly stand us. You know, his major legislation has really represented the views of Kennedy and Lieberman and Feingold and others and so I just do not believe he will make a good President, and I just regret what happened last night.

GLENN: You know, I talked to Pat Robertson last night and he said, you know, it wasn't too long ago that, I mean, we were slapped across the face by John McCain saying that he was an agent of intolerance and now all of a sudden everybody's rallying around him. So let me ask you this, Dr. Dobson: Here's the question that everybody is going to be faced if you're a conservative. You are going to be faced with this. You've got two people on the other side. We don't know if it's going to be Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, but they're nightmares. They are socialists and I believe liberal fascists that are a little happy face on fascism and telling everybody exactly how to live their life and I think they will tube the country. You've got that or you've got John McCain. So it's kind of like do you want to be stabbed to death or do you want me just to get it over quickly with a gun. What do you do?

DR. DOBSON: Well, speaking personally I'm between a rock and a hard place, Glenn. I'm not suggesting that anyone else answer that question the way I do. In fact, I hope they don't because I'm speaking only for myself, only for myself.

GLENN: Got it.

DR. DOBSON: But for more than 35 years I fought to defend the sanctity of human life and the moral principles in which I believe, and I have voted all those years for the values in which I believe and this time I just, I can't do it. If it comes down to McCain and those two nightmares that you talked about, they are, they will be a nightmare for people that whole conservative years. What they will do to Supreme Court, what they will do to the family, the tax increases. I mean, it will be awful. So this is a matter of conscience for me and I just, I just can't vote for either one of them.

GLENN: Okay. Can you vote for John McCain?

DR. DOBSON: No. No, I can't. And people are livid about that and I understand it. I mean, I have always voted. Ever since I've been an adult I've voted. But this time, I'm telling you I'm backed up against a wall.

GLENN: You know, I feel the same way. Now let me speak to you. Let me just, may we take a walk down one of the branches of the freak trees that, where you and I agree. We were joking off the air here. Do you know the Mayan calendar ends in 2012. You and I know that we are facing dark times. You and I believe that -- I don't mean to put words in your mouth but I believe you believe this, that we are possibly facing the latter days, that we are facing out-and-out evil on the other side of the Earth that is coming to destroy us. One side will fight against it. The other side, Clinton and Barack Obama, will not fight against it because they refuse to call evil by its name. So how do you stand motionless when you're faced with that?

DR. DOBSON: That is a question, Glenn, that gives me nightmares. It keeps me up at night because we're in a very, very serious crisis, not only in the United States but in the world at this time. There are millions and millions of people out there who believe it is their duty to destroy us. I mean, they are rewarded in heaven for doing it and, you know, there is 1.2 billion Muslims, and if only 4% of them feel that way and that is a major part of their theology, they buy into the jihadist idea, what is that, 48 million people willing to die to kill you? That's the kind of world we're living in and so from that perspective there is just no real good answer, but this is where I am. That, you know, there are some times when you have to stand on principle. If it were, we'll say 1860 and the two candidates were both good strong conservative leaders but both of them believed in slavery, would you vote for either one of them? I could not. I couldn't vote for somebody that would subject other human beings to involuntary servitude. There's a point at which I can't lend my name and my vote and my influence in a representative form of government to somebody who contradicts those basic principles. It's just something that I can't do, and people aren't going to understand that but that's where I am.

GLENN: You know, Dr. Dobson, I'm with you. I hope I have the courage to do it and to not pull the lever. I hope I have the courage to do it. I am just so concerned. I mean, we're spending ourself into oblivion, we are destroying ourself with this perfect storm that is coming around. There are just so many things that are happening and to stand there on the sidelines, I know it doesn't make sense to a lot of people but I'm a recovering alcoholic, and you cannot force somebody to change their life. You cannot force somebody to, you know, to restart and to find values and to find a pathway to happiness. You can't force them to do it. They've got to find bottom. And I was hoping that the bottom for the Republican party had already happened, but it hasn't happened. And until they find the bottom, they will not find those values that will resurrect not only the party but this country.

DR. DOBSON: Yeah. Well, I think it was Winston Churchill who said democracy's the worst form of government if the people want evil and if they want things that are bad, there's no stopping them. And it appears that many people in this country want a piece of the pie, they want the money from the Government, they want to bankrupt us because that's where we're headed with more entitlements.


And Glenn, I want to make something clear if you will allow me.

GLENN: Sure.

DR. DOBSON: I did not endorse anybody yesterday. I didn't endorse Romney or Huckabee. I did say that if one of them gets the nomination, I would vote for them. But I did not endorse them. But Governor Romney took the recording of my comments about McCain, not about him, and used it in a Robo call program yesterday in California, implying that it was an endorsement, and I didn't do that. My comment was about John McCain and my great concerns about him and I was just watching through my fingers last night as the results came in, and the sad thing again is that 80% of the Romney voters said they were conservative and 75% of the Huckabee voters did and that's in all but six states. So they divided the conservative vote right down the middle and that's how McCain is where he is.

GLENN: But you know, I don't understand, quite honestly I don't understand Mike Huckabee. I really don't. I have had delightful conversations with Mike Huckabee; I've had tense conversations with Mike Huckabee because I think he says things like -- what was it yesterday, Stu, where he just kind of just -- oh, yeah. He just said, well, you know, I think maybe this whole Romney thing is just because all of the talk show hosts, they all work for Clear Channel and, you know, Romney's company is involved with Clear Channel.

First of all, Romney's company is not involved with Clear Channel. It's one of the companies that wants to buy Clear Channel. Romney's not even involved. And most, it's me and Rush that work for Clear Channel. That's it. But he just, he's a smear artist. Last night on television I asked him, I said, why aren't you attacking the frontrunner? Why are you going after Mitt Romney? And he admitted to me that it was a blood sport. And I don't even under -- I don't even begin to understand that. You know, I said to Mike Huckabee and I have said to Mitt Romney: If people of faith who will admit to me that we are facing evil and quite possibly the evil that has been predicted by prophets forever, if we can't come together and stand together as evangelicals and Mormons and Catholics and protestants and everybody else, if we can't come together, we're done. We're done. We've got to unite with each other. How do we get this message out?

DR. DOBSON: Well, I think there would be a uniting if there were not two alternatives here and that's what split the vote. You know, we don't have any perfect candidates this year. We don't have a Ronald Reagan, at least not in my view but there are, I think, some principles that Huckabee and Romney stand for that would be acceptable. But, man, McCain is a mile off to the left of all of that and he's just gone out of his way to just insult us over and over again.

With regard to where we are in eschatology and where we are in in the scheme of things, I wasn't able to hear the conversation that you-all had in the last half hour apparently about the Mayan calendar.

GLENN: No, no, no, we were joking about the Mayan calendar, that it ends in 2012 and I don't think Jesus is going to say, hey, I had to come back, the Mayan calendar said so. I mean, so we were just joking about it. But I do believe that there is a possibility. They have been saying this for thousands of years, I know. But I do believe that there is a possibility that we are facing those times.

DR. DOBSON: Glenn, it does feel to me like that things are coming to some kind of crisis, some kind of conclusion and as a Christian I do believe that Jesus Christ is going to return. That's the centerpiece of my belief system and whether we're there or not, I know my father was a minister and he believed it was going to happen in his lifetime related to World War II and so on and I know people have thought that in the past.

GLENN: The apostles thought that.

DR. DOBSON: And he hasn't come. But boy, it does look like things are lining up here.

GLENN: Dr. Dobson, I appreciate your advice and we would love to have you on as we get closer and closer to the campaign just to keep some of us who are -- because, you know, I'm a weak guy and I want to stand for the values that I believe in but I'm afraid, quite honestly, that as it gets closer and closer and closer, I'm going to look at it and say, good heavens, I just can't take Clinton or Obama because it's going to be so much worse but as I look at it now without the passion, without these political parties revving you up to hate the other side, it doesn't make a difference.

DR. DOBSON: Well, that's exactly where I am, Glenn. I mean, it's precisely what is gnawing on my insides at this time because I know the dangers of what Clinton and Obama stand for. I know what they will do to us and yet I'm being asked to do something that contradicts my conscience, and I don't know whether I'll have the courage to do it or not, either. But as of this moment if I had to vote tomorrow, I would look for some other alternative or I wouldn't vote. Now, maybe when the time comes I'll do something different, but for right now that's the way I feel.

GLENN: Have you ever not voted in your life?

DR. DOBSON: Not once, never in my life.

GLENN: Me, neither.

DR. DOBSON: Not once have I failed to vote. And what concerns me is if people don't go to vote for the President, they won't go to vote for the house and the Senate and the governors and other races, and conservatives will just opt out. And that's not an answer, either. I mean, if we don't have a filibuster effect in the Senate, I mean, they have just a blank check to destroy us.

GLENN: Amazing. Dr. Dobson, thank you so much, sir.

DR. DOBSON: You are a good man, Glenn. Thanks for what you're doing. It's a pleasure talking to you and I'd love to be on your show sometime.

GLENN: Thank you very much. All right. You know what, Dr. Dobson? Are you there?

DR. DOBSON: Yeah.

GLENN: Before you go I would love to -- may I invite you to do an hour with us on television? Could we -- I think my people have called before. We would love to fly you in and do an hour on television with you.

DR. DOBSON: You know, we've been talking about that. I would really enjoy doing that. I am, at this moment, sequestered in a little condo out in California writing a book, "Bringing Up Girls" and that's taking up all my time but at some point when I get through with this, I would really love it.

GLENN: You got it. Thank you, Dr. Dobson.

DR. DOBSON: Okay.

GLENN: Appreciate it, bye-bye.

From the moment the 33-year-old Thomas Jefferson arrived at the Continental Congress in Philadelphia in 1776, he was on the radical side. That caused John Adams to like him immediately. Then the Congress stuck Jefferson and Adams together on the five-man committee to write a formal statement justifying a break with Great Britain, and their mutual admiration society began.

Jefferson thought Adams should write the Declaration. But Adams protested, saying, “It can't come from me because I'm obnoxious and disliked." Adams reasoned that Jefferson was not obnoxious or disliked, therefore he should write it. Plus, he flattered Jefferson, by telling him he was a great writer. It was a master class in passing the buck.

So, over the next 17 days, Jefferson holed up in his room, applying his lawyer skills to the ideas of the Enlightenment. He borrowed freely from existing documents like the Virginia Declaration of Rights. He later wrote that “he was not striving for originality of principle or sentiment." Instead, he hoped his words served as “an expression of the American mind."

It's safe to say he achieved his goal.

The five-man committee changed about 25 percent of Jefferson's first draft of the Declaration before submitting it to Congress. Then, Congress altered about one-fifth of that draft. But most of the final Declaration's words are Jefferson's, including the most famous passage — the Preamble — which Congress left intact. The result is nothing less than America's mission statement, the words that ultimately bind the nation together. And words that we desperately need to rediscover because of our boiling partisan rage.

The Declaration is brilliant in structure and purpose. It was designed for multiple audiences: the King of Great Britain, the colonists, and the world. And it was designed for multiple purposes: rallying the troops, gaining foreign allies, and announcing the creation of a new country.

The Declaration is structured in five sections: the Introduction, Preamble, the Body composed of two parts, and the Conclusion. It's basically the most genius breakup letter ever written.

In the Introduction, step 1 is the notificationI think we need to break up. And to be fair, I feel I owe you an explanation...

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…

The Continental Congress felt they were entitled by “the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" to “dissolve the political bands," but they needed to prove the legitimacy of their cause. They were defying the world's most powerful nation and needed to motivate foreign allies to join the effort. So, they set their struggle within the entire “Course of human events." They're saying, this is no petty political spat — this is a major event in world history.

Step 2 is declaring what you believe in, your standardsHere's what I'm looking for in a healthy relationship...

This is the most famous part of the Declaration; the part school children recite — the Preamble:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That's as much as many Americans know of the Declaration. But the Preamble is the DNA of our nation, and it really needs to be taken as a whole:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The Preamble takes us through a logical progression: All men are created equal; God gives all humans certain inherent rights that cannot be denied; these include the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; to protect those rights, we have governments set up; but when a government fails to protect our inherent rights, people have the right to change or replace it.

Government is only there to protect the rights of mankind. They don't have any power unless we give it to them. That was an extraordinarily radical concept then and we're drifting away from it now.

The Preamble is the justification for revolution. But note how they don't mention Great Britain yet. And again, note how they frame it within a universal context. These are fundamental principles, not just squabbling between neighbors. These are the principles that make the Declaration just as relevant today. It's not just a dusty parchment that applied in 1776.

Step 3 is laying out your caseHere's why things didn't work out between us. It's not me, it's you...

This is Part 1 of the Body of the Declaration. It's the section where Jefferson gets to flex his lawyer muscles by listing 27 grievances against the British crown. This is the specific proof of their right to rebellion:

He has obstructed the administration of justice...

For imposing taxes on us without our consent...

For suspending our own legislatures...

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us...

Again, Congress presented these “causes which impel them to separation" in universal terms to appeal to an international audience. It's like they were saying, by joining our fight you'll be joining mankind's overall fight against tyranny.

Step 4 is demonstrating the actions you took I really tried to make this relationship work, and here's how...

This is Part 2 of the Body. It explains how the colonists attempted to plead their case directly to the British people, only to have the door slammed in their face:

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury...

They too have been deaf to the voice of justice... We must, therefore... hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

This basically wrapped up America's argument for independence — we haven't been treated justly, we tried to talk to you about it, but since you refuse to listen and things are only getting worse, we're done here.

Step 5 is stating your intent — So, I think it's best if we go our separate ways. And my decision is final...

This is the powerful Conclusion. If people know any part of the Declaration besides the Preamble, this is it:

...that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved...

They left no room for doubt. The relationship was over, and America was going to reboot, on its own, with all the rights of an independent nation.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The message was clear — this was no pitchfork mob. These were serious men who had carefully thought through the issues before taking action. They were putting everything on the line for this cause.

The Declaration of Independence is a landmark in the history of democracy because it was the first formal statement of a people announcing their right to choose their own government. That seems so obvious to us now, but in 1776 it was radical and unprecedented.

In 1825, Jefferson wrote that the purpose of the Declaration was “not to find out new principles, or new arguments, never before thought of… but to place before mankind the common sense of the subject, in terms so plain and firm… to justify ourselves in the independent stand we are compelled to take."

You're not going to do better than the Declaration of Independence. Sure, it worked as a means of breaking away from Great Britain, but its genius is that its principles of equality, inherent rights, and self-government work for all time — as long as we actually know and pursue those principles.

On June 7, 1776, the Second Continental Congress met in Philadelphia at the Pennsylvania State House, better known today as Independence Hall. Virginia delegate Richard Henry Lee introduced a motion calling for the colonies' independence. The “Lee Resolution" was short and sweet:

Resolved, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved.

Intense debate followed, and the Congress voted 7 to 5 (with New York abstaining) to postpone a vote on Lee's Resolution. They called a recess for three weeks. In the meantime, the delegates felt they needed to explain what they were doing in writing. So, before the recess, they appointed a five-man committee to come up with a formal statement justifying a break with Great Britain. They appointed two men from New England — Roger Sherman and John Adams; two from the middle colonies — Robert Livingston and Benjamin Franklin; and one Southerner — Thomas Jefferson. The responsibility for writing what would become the Declaration of Independence fell to Jefferson.

In the rotunda of the National Archives building in Washington, D.C., there are three original documents on permanent display: the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence. These are the three pillars of the United States, yet America barely seems to know them anymore. We need to get reacquainted — quickly.

In a letter to his friend John Adams in 1816, Jefferson wrote: “I like the dreams of the future, better than the history of the past."

America used to be a forward-looking nation of dreamers. We still are in spots, but the national attitude that we hear broadcast loudest across media is not looking toward the future with optimism and hope. In late 2017, a national poll found 59% of Americans think we are currently at the “lowest point in our nation's history that they can remember."

America spends far too much time looking to the past for blame and excuse. And let's be honest, even the Right is often more concerned with “owning the left" than helping point anyone toward the practical principles of the Declaration of Independence. America has clearly lost touch with who we are as a nation. We have a national identity crisis.

The Declaration of Independence is America's thesis statement, and without it America doesn't exist.

It is urgent that we get reacquainted with the Declaration of Independence because postmodernism would have us believe that we've evolved beyond the America of our founding documents, and thus they're irrelevant to the present and the future. But the Declaration of Independence is America's thesis statement, and without it America doesn't exist.

Today, much of the nation is so addicted to partisan indignation that "day-to-day" indignation isn't enough to feed the addiction. So, we're reaching into America's past to help us get our fix. In 2016, Democrats in the Louisiana state legislature tabled a bill that would have required fourth through sixth graders to recite the opening lines of the Declaration. They didn't table it because they thought it would be too difficult or too patriotic. They tabled it because the requirement would include the phrase “all men are created equal" and the progressives in the Louisiana legislature didn't want the children to have to recite a lie. Representative Barbara Norton said, “One thing that I do know is, all men are not created equal. When I think back in 1776, July the fourth, African Americans were slaves. And for you to bring a bill to request that our children will recite the Declaration, I think it's a little bit unfair to us. To ask our children to recite something that's not the truth. And for you to ask those children to repeat the Declaration stating that all men's are free. I think that's unfair."

Remarkable — an elected representative saying it wouldn't be fair for students to have to recite the Declaration because “all men are not created equal." Another Louisiana Democrat explained that the government born out of the Declaration “was used against races of people." I guess they missed that part in school where they might have learned that the same government later made slavery illegal and amended the Constitution to guarantee all men equal protection under the law. The 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were an admission of guilt by the nation regarding slavery, and an effort to right the wrongs.

Yet, the progressive logic goes something like this: many of the men who signed the Declaration of Independence, including Thomas Jefferson who wrote it, owned slaves; slavery is evil; therefore, the Declaration of Independence is not valid because it was created by evil slave owners.

It's a sad reality that the left has a very hard time appreciating the universal merits of the Declaration of Independence because they're so hung up on the long-dead issue of slavery. And just to be clear — because people love to take things out of context — of course slavery was horrible. Yes, it is a total stain on our history. But defending the Declaration of Independence is not an effort to excuse any aspect of slavery.

Okay then, people might say, how could the Founders approve the phrase “All men are created equal," when many of them owned slaves? How did they miss that?

They didn't miss it. In fact, Thomas Jefferson included an anti-slavery passage in his first draft of the Declaration. The paragraph blasted King George for condoning slavery and preventing the American Colonies from passing legislation to ban slavery:

He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights to life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere... Determined to keep open a market where men should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce.

We don't say “execrable" that much anymore. It means, utterly detestable, abominable, abhorrent — basically very bad.

Jefferson was upset when Georgia and North Carolina threw up the biggest resistance to that paragraph. Ultimately, those two states twisted Congress' arm to delete the paragraph.

Still, how could a man calling the slave trade “execrable" be a slaveowner himself? No doubt about it, Jefferson was a flawed human being. He even had slaves from his estate in Virginia attending him while he was in Philadelphia, in the very apartment where he was writing the Declaration.

Many of the Southern Founders deeply believed in the principles of the Declaration yet couldn't bring themselves to upend the basis of their livelihood. By 1806, Virginia law made it more difficult for slave owners to free their slaves, especially if the owner had significant debts as Jefferson did.

At the same time, the Founders were not idiots. They understood the ramifications of signing on to the principles described so eloquently in the Declaration. They understood that logically, slavery would eventually have to be abolished in America because it was unjust, and the words they were committing to paper said as much. Remember, John Adams was on the committee of five that worked on the Declaration and he later said that the Revolution would never be complete until the slaves were free.

Also, the same generation that signed the Declaration started the process of abolition by banning the importation of slaves in 1807. Jefferson was President at the time and he urged Congress to pass the law.

America has an obvious road map that, as a nation, we're not consulting often enough.

The Declaration took a major step toward crippling the institution of slavery. It made the argument for the first time about the fundamental rights of all humans which completely undermined slavery. Planting the seeds to end slavery is not nearly commendable enough for leftist critics, but you can't discount the fact that the seeds were planted. It's like they started an expiration clock for slavery by approving the Declaration. Everything that happened almost a century later to end slavery, and then a century after that with the Civil Rights movement, flowed from the principles voiced in the Declaration.

Ironically for a movement that calls itself progressive, it is obsessed with retrying and judging the past over and over. Progressives consider this a better use of time than actually putting past abuses in the rearview and striving not to be defined by ancestral failures.

It can be very constructive to look to the past, but not when it's used to flog each other in the present. Examining history is useful in providing a road map for the future. And America has an obvious road map that, as a nation, we're not consulting often enough. But it's right there, the original, under glass. The ink is fading, but the words won't die — as long as we continue to discuss them.

'Good Morning Texas' gives exclusive preview of Mercury One museum

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Mercury One is holding a special exhibition over the 4th of July weekend, using hundreds of artifacts, documents and augmented reality experiences to showcase the history of slavery — including slavery today — and a path forward. Good Morning Texas reporter Paige McCoy Smith went through the exhibit for an exclusive preview with Mercury One's chief operating officer Michael Little on Tuesday.

Watch the video below to see the full preview.

Click here to purchase tickets to the museum (running from July 4 - 7).

Over the weekend, journalist Andy Ngo and several other apparent right-leaning people were brutally beaten by masked-gangs of Antifa protesters in Portland, Oregon. Short for "antifascist," Antifa claims to be fighting for social justice and tolerance — by forcibly and violently silencing anyone with opposing opinions. Ngo, who was kicked, punched, and sprayed with an unknown substance, is currently still in the hospital with a "brain bleed" as a result of the savage attack. Watch the video to get the details from Glenn.