Glenn talks with Dr. Dobson

GLENN: Putting the radio back into Radio City, this is the third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, my friend, my friends. My name is Glenn Beck, and Dr. Dobson is with us now. Hello, Dr. Dobson.

DR. DOBSON: Hello, Glenn.

GLENN: How are you, sir?

DR. DOBSON: Well, I'm kind of disappointed this morning but that's the way it is.

GLENN:  I'm thinking about putting my car in the garage and pulling the garage door down and letting the engine run. You're just slightly disappointed?

DR. DOBSON: That's an understatement obviously but the Republicans have spoken and so sobeit.

GLENN: So are you a Republican? You are a conservative. You are not a Republican. You are a conservative first, right?

DR. DOBSON: I am a decided conservative. The party doesn't mean a lot to me and I tend to vote my conscience and that's certainly going to be the case this time.

GLENN: Okay. So --

DR. DOBSON: I'm so disappointed in the outcome because John McCain is not a conservative. You know, he has gone out of his way to say that he can hardly stand us. You know, his major legislation has really represented the views of Kennedy and Lieberman and Feingold and others and so I just do not believe he will make a good President, and I just regret what happened last night.

GLENN: You know, I talked to Pat Robertson last night and he said, you know, it wasn't too long ago that, I mean, we were slapped across the face by John McCain saying that he was an agent of intolerance and now all of a sudden everybody's rallying around him. So let me ask you this, Dr. Dobson: Here's the question that everybody is going to be faced if you're a conservative. You are going to be faced with this. You've got two people on the other side. We don't know if it's going to be Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, but they're nightmares. They are socialists and I believe liberal fascists that are a little happy face on fascism and telling everybody exactly how to live their life and I think they will tube the country. You've got that or you've got John McCain. So it's kind of like do you want to be stabbed to death or do you want me just to get it over quickly with a gun. What do you do?

DR. DOBSON: Well, speaking personally I'm between a rock and a hard place, Glenn. I'm not suggesting that anyone else answer that question the way I do. In fact, I hope they don't because I'm speaking only for myself, only for myself.

GLENN: Got it.

DR. DOBSON: But for more than 35 years I fought to defend the sanctity of human life and the moral principles in which I believe, and I have voted all those years for the values in which I believe and this time I just, I can't do it. If it comes down to McCain and those two nightmares that you talked about, they are, they will be a nightmare for people that whole conservative years. What they will do to Supreme Court, what they will do to the family, the tax increases. I mean, it will be awful. So this is a matter of conscience for me and I just, I just can't vote for either one of them.

GLENN: Okay. Can you vote for John McCain?

DR. DOBSON: No. No, I can't. And people are livid about that and I understand it. I mean, I have always voted. Ever since I've been an adult I've voted. But this time, I'm telling you I'm backed up against a wall.

GLENN: You know, I feel the same way. Now let me speak to you. Let me just, may we take a walk down one of the branches of the freak trees that, where you and I agree. We were joking off the air here. Do you know the Mayan calendar ends in 2012. You and I know that we are facing dark times. You and I believe that -- I don't mean to put words in your mouth but I believe you believe this, that we are possibly facing the latter days, that we are facing out-and-out evil on the other side of the Earth that is coming to destroy us. One side will fight against it. The other side, Clinton and Barack Obama, will not fight against it because they refuse to call evil by its name. So how do you stand motionless when you're faced with that?

DR. DOBSON: That is a question, Glenn, that gives me nightmares. It keeps me up at night because we're in a very, very serious crisis, not only in the United States but in the world at this time. There are millions and millions of people out there who believe it is their duty to destroy us. I mean, they are rewarded in heaven for doing it and, you know, there is 1.2 billion Muslims, and if only 4% of them feel that way and that is a major part of their theology, they buy into the jihadist idea, what is that, 48 million people willing to die to kill you? That's the kind of world we're living in and so from that perspective there is just no real good answer, but this is where I am. That, you know, there are some times when you have to stand on principle. If it were, we'll say 1860 and the two candidates were both good strong conservative leaders but both of them believed in slavery, would you vote for either one of them? I could not. I couldn't vote for somebody that would subject other human beings to involuntary servitude. There's a point at which I can't lend my name and my vote and my influence in a representative form of government to somebody who contradicts those basic principles. It's just something that I can't do, and people aren't going to understand that but that's where I am.

GLENN: You know, Dr. Dobson, I'm with you. I hope I have the courage to do it and to not pull the lever. I hope I have the courage to do it. I am just so concerned. I mean, we're spending ourself into oblivion, we are destroying ourself with this perfect storm that is coming around. There are just so many things that are happening and to stand there on the sidelines, I know it doesn't make sense to a lot of people but I'm a recovering alcoholic, and you cannot force somebody to change their life. You cannot force somebody to, you know, to restart and to find values and to find a pathway to happiness. You can't force them to do it. They've got to find bottom. And I was hoping that the bottom for the Republican party had already happened, but it hasn't happened. And until they find the bottom, they will not find those values that will resurrect not only the party but this country.

DR. DOBSON: Yeah. Well, I think it was Winston Churchill who said democracy's the worst form of government if the people want evil and if they want things that are bad, there's no stopping them. And it appears that many people in this country want a piece of the pie, they want the money from the Government, they want to bankrupt us because that's where we're headed with more entitlements.


And Glenn, I want to make something clear if you will allow me.

GLENN: Sure.

DR. DOBSON: I did not endorse anybody yesterday. I didn't endorse Romney or Huckabee. I did say that if one of them gets the nomination, I would vote for them. But I did not endorse them. But Governor Romney took the recording of my comments about McCain, not about him, and used it in a Robo call program yesterday in California, implying that it was an endorsement, and I didn't do that. My comment was about John McCain and my great concerns about him and I was just watching through my fingers last night as the results came in, and the sad thing again is that 80% of the Romney voters said they were conservative and 75% of the Huckabee voters did and that's in all but six states. So they divided the conservative vote right down the middle and that's how McCain is where he is.

GLENN: But you know, I don't understand, quite honestly I don't understand Mike Huckabee. I really don't. I have had delightful conversations with Mike Huckabee; I've had tense conversations with Mike Huckabee because I think he says things like -- what was it yesterday, Stu, where he just kind of just -- oh, yeah. He just said, well, you know, I think maybe this whole Romney thing is just because all of the talk show hosts, they all work for Clear Channel and, you know, Romney's company is involved with Clear Channel.

First of all, Romney's company is not involved with Clear Channel. It's one of the companies that wants to buy Clear Channel. Romney's not even involved. And most, it's me and Rush that work for Clear Channel. That's it. But he just, he's a smear artist. Last night on television I asked him, I said, why aren't you attacking the frontrunner? Why are you going after Mitt Romney? And he admitted to me that it was a blood sport. And I don't even under -- I don't even begin to understand that. You know, I said to Mike Huckabee and I have said to Mitt Romney: If people of faith who will admit to me that we are facing evil and quite possibly the evil that has been predicted by prophets forever, if we can't come together and stand together as evangelicals and Mormons and Catholics and protestants and everybody else, if we can't come together, we're done. We're done. We've got to unite with each other. How do we get this message out?

DR. DOBSON: Well, I think there would be a uniting if there were not two alternatives here and that's what split the vote. You know, we don't have any perfect candidates this year. We don't have a Ronald Reagan, at least not in my view but there are, I think, some principles that Huckabee and Romney stand for that would be acceptable. But, man, McCain is a mile off to the left of all of that and he's just gone out of his way to just insult us over and over again.

With regard to where we are in eschatology and where we are in in the scheme of things, I wasn't able to hear the conversation that you-all had in the last half hour apparently about the Mayan calendar.

GLENN: No, no, no, we were joking about the Mayan calendar, that it ends in 2012 and I don't think Jesus is going to say, hey, I had to come back, the Mayan calendar said so. I mean, so we were just joking about it. But I do believe that there is a possibility. They have been saying this for thousands of years, I know. But I do believe that there is a possibility that we are facing those times.

DR. DOBSON: Glenn, it does feel to me like that things are coming to some kind of crisis, some kind of conclusion and as a Christian I do believe that Jesus Christ is going to return. That's the centerpiece of my belief system and whether we're there or not, I know my father was a minister and he believed it was going to happen in his lifetime related to World War II and so on and I know people have thought that in the past.

GLENN: The apostles thought that.

DR. DOBSON: And he hasn't come. But boy, it does look like things are lining up here.

GLENN: Dr. Dobson, I appreciate your advice and we would love to have you on as we get closer and closer to the campaign just to keep some of us who are -- because, you know, I'm a weak guy and I want to stand for the values that I believe in but I'm afraid, quite honestly, that as it gets closer and closer and closer, I'm going to look at it and say, good heavens, I just can't take Clinton or Obama because it's going to be so much worse but as I look at it now without the passion, without these political parties revving you up to hate the other side, it doesn't make a difference.

DR. DOBSON: Well, that's exactly where I am, Glenn. I mean, it's precisely what is gnawing on my insides at this time because I know the dangers of what Clinton and Obama stand for. I know what they will do to us and yet I'm being asked to do something that contradicts my conscience, and I don't know whether I'll have the courage to do it or not, either. But as of this moment if I had to vote tomorrow, I would look for some other alternative or I wouldn't vote. Now, maybe when the time comes I'll do something different, but for right now that's the way I feel.

GLENN: Have you ever not voted in your life?

DR. DOBSON: Not once, never in my life.

GLENN: Me, neither.

DR. DOBSON: Not once have I failed to vote. And what concerns me is if people don't go to vote for the President, they won't go to vote for the house and the Senate and the governors and other races, and conservatives will just opt out. And that's not an answer, either. I mean, if we don't have a filibuster effect in the Senate, I mean, they have just a blank check to destroy us.

GLENN: Amazing. Dr. Dobson, thank you so much, sir.

DR. DOBSON: You are a good man, Glenn. Thanks for what you're doing. It's a pleasure talking to you and I'd love to be on your show sometime.

GLENN: Thank you very much. All right. You know what, Dr. Dobson? Are you there?

DR. DOBSON: Yeah.

GLENN: Before you go I would love to -- may I invite you to do an hour with us on television? Could we -- I think my people have called before. We would love to fly you in and do an hour on television with you.

DR. DOBSON: You know, we've been talking about that. I would really enjoy doing that. I am, at this moment, sequestered in a little condo out in California writing a book, "Bringing Up Girls" and that's taking up all my time but at some point when I get through with this, I would really love it.

GLENN: You got it. Thank you, Dr. Dobson.

DR. DOBSON: Okay.

GLENN: Appreciate it, bye-bye.

Glenn Beck can't help but wonder, "What is wrong with us?" in light of the Left's latest move — canceling six Dr. Seuss books due to "hurtful and wrong" illustrations — that takes America one step closer to complete insanity. And now, school districts are jumping on board after President Joe Biden seems to have dropped Dr. Seuss from the White House's annual "Read Across America Day" proclamation.

On the radio program Tuesday, Glenn argued that deleting books is the perfect example of fascism, and asked when we as a country will finally realize it.

"They are banning Dr. Seuss books. How much more do you need to see before all of America wakes up? ... This is fascism!" Glenn said. "We don't destroy books. What is wrong with us, America?"

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Former Democratic presidential candidate and Hawaii representative Tulsi Gabbard and Glenn Beck don't agree much on policy, but they're in lockstep on principles.

On "The Glenn Beck Podcast" this week, Tulsi spoke with Glenn about one of her last acts in Congress, introducing the "Protect Women's Sports Act," which she says would "strengthen, clarify, and uphold the intent of Title IX to provide a level playing field for girls and women in sports." But since then, the Biden administration has gone in the opposite direction, and has supported allowing biological men to compete in women's sports.

Watch the video clip below to hear why Tulsi took a stand for female athletes:


Watch the full interview with Tulsi Gabbard here.

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Later this week, former President Trump will attend CPAC and give his first major policy appearance since leaving office. Sources close to the President reveal he will focus on "the future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement."

The future of the GOP is a question that demands real discussion before elections in 2022 and 2024. Right now, I can see three possible answers for how you act:

  1. Those in power and senior positions will ignore the reasons behind Donald Trump winning in 2016. They will be vindicated in their minds because they outlasted him, as they view DC as a job for life. These leaders will go back to business as usual and seek forgiveness from the left, hoping for unity and acceptance in the future.
  2. The second outcome is another section of the party that is understandably very angry over the left's Presidents treatment. They still support and believe in Trump. They think it's time to take off the gloves and treat Biden/the left exactly how they treated Trump.
  3. The few policy positions offered in public will be centered solely around opposing the left. They will also make the case how the left suck, are dangerous, and how you need them in power. The next four years are merely a countdown for Trump to run again and right the wrong of 2020.
  4. The third outcome is very similar to the second, but with one key difference. While they appreciate everything Trump accomplished while in office, they feel it's time to unite behind another candidate.
Question

Which of these three positions will work best for the American people? Which helps built a political base for elections in both 2022 and 2024?

If you seek to help save America, it is critical to do some soul searching. Whether you love or hate him, Donald Trump got 75 million votes and made advancements in key demographics. What did he do well that you can develop further? In what areas was he poor, and how can you improve?

I want to raise six principled points everyone on the right should be forced to consider in the run-up to 2024.

1 - Understanding American Exceptionalism

FACT: America is an exceptional nation. If you read enough of world history, you will find ample evidence that America acted in ways that made it unique and significantly different from other countries in the past and modern times. These reasons must be understood and promoted through the culture and body politic.

One of those reasons is the layout of your Declaration of Independence. If you look around politics today, you will see people on all political sides telling you what they hate, why the other side is the enemy, and how they must be defeated.

In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson also made that case against the English when he listed 27 grievances against the King. So how is the layout key? It took Jefferson 357 words to get to those grievances. Your Declaration is your mission statement: it tells everyone in the world what America aspires to be. It states the belief that all were created equal, all had certain rights that come directly from God, and that it is the government's job to protect rights -- not give people rights.

The left is successfully painting everyone on the right to be a terrorist who enjoyed the Capitol Hill riots. If you ever want to win another election, it will be critical to explain what you stand for to the American people.

After all, ask yourself which makes you the most passionate to vote - removing someone from office or voting for a vision and change you believe in?

2 - The Constitution

Is there a better place to start this vision than the Constitution? Yes, it is mostly ignored today by those in power and is only referenced by politicians and media when it fits a narrative.

The Constitution is a beautiful and complex document but is primarily based on a straightforward principle. The government should be extremely limited in its power, but it should be as close to the people as possible where there is a clear need for government. Who can argue with this principle?

Who wants someone they have never met, dictating how they live their life?

This is why the Constitution grants the President no real power, and gives Congress 18 clauses of power, listed under Article 1, Section 8. Any and every power not mentioned there belongs at the state level.

3 - Finances

The power structure in DC has changed many times over the last twenty years, with both parties having the opportunity to rule the different federal branches. There have been two periods where one party controlled all the power in DC:

  • 2008-2010: Obama / Dem
  • 2016-2018: Trump / GOP

Despite these changes, your government continually grows, you continue to spend money you don't have, and in ten out of the last thirteen years, you have added over $1,000,000,000,000 to your national debt, which now sits just under $28 trillion. Does this seem sustainable to you? Of course not, but sadly your finances only get worse.

America has revenue of over $3.2 trillion every year, yet DC has not passed a budget since 2008. Can you imagine any business running that way? Do you think Apple, Amazon, or Disney have a budget? It is time to get America on a path to financial sustainability, work towards a balanced budget, and explain to the American people how you will achieve it.

4 - Taxes

Do you remember discussing taxes during the Tea Party?

We used to make the simple moral case to the American people: any money you earn is yours, you should use it to plan your life, and the government has no right to take it from you. This was so successful around 2012 that Herman Cain ran for President with one primary policy: the 9-9-9 plan.

If America is to return to prosperity after Covid, lower taxes and a simpler tax code must be a central theme.

5 - Cutting Government

Look at the size of the US government in 2021. Are you happy? Can you name the numerous departments? Is it now the freedom-loving Americans' position that agencies like Education, Energy, EPA, and Commerce are constitutional bodies of government and are well-run?

How about the IRS, which targeted Tea-Party groups under President Obama? Do they deserve support, or is it time to start sharing a vision of the departments that should be abolished?

This principle used to be a big part of the Conservative platform. It played a massive role in 2012 when Rick Perry ran for President. His campaign was destroyed in 45 short seconds when he could not remember the three agencies he would abolish.

Maybe it's time to refresh this debate but change the parameters. How about we discuss the agencies that should be kept?

6 - Bill of Rights

Today, the Bill of Rights is under constant attack. The far-left/woke mob hates free speech, and they seek to cancel anyone with an opposing view. However, the attacks on the Bill of Rights don't always come from the left.

America has a second amendment that guarantees you the right to bear arms. The last time the GOP held both houses of Congress and the Presidency, they banned bump stocks - but who really NEEDS a bump stock?

As the years have passed, some have admitted they are open to red flag laws. Is this still the case?

While the second amendment may be under attack, it is clear the fourth amendment is dead. Regardless of which party holds power in DC, the NSA is given continuous ability to spy on Americans. The simple, principled case from Rand Paul of "get a warrant" always falls on deaf ears.

The Bill of Rights should be a unifying document for most Americans, as the principles are self-evident and a significant part of any freedom platform going forward.

Conclusion

America will face significant challenges over the coming years. As the government continues to grow, the far left get more hostile, and central planners seek a great reset. If you share my concern, then now is the time to forget our tribes and ignore the debate on who should be President in 2024.

It's time to work hard to build a platform by raising a banner of bold colors, not pale pastels. We must share a clear vision to the American people of a bright future where they are free, prosperous, and can pursue their happiness.

When the platform is built and successful, people can identify the best candidate to run in 2024.

"First, you win the argument, and then you win the election." — Margaret Thatcher

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is under fire for questioning President Joe Biden's nominee for an assistant health secretary position, Dr. Rachel Levine, about her alleged support for giving children puberty blockers and sex-change surgeries.

During a confirmation hearing Thursday, Paul pointedly asked Levine, who is a transgender woman, about her support for allowing children to change their sex, and whether she believes children are capable of making such life-altering decisions.

Levine evaded the question, answering instead with a vague statement about the complexities of transgender medicine, which she would again reiterate for Paul's subsequent questions.

Watch a video clip of the confirmation hearing here.

Predictably, Paul has been labeled "transphobic" and accused of trying to derail Levine with "transphobic misinformation" by the leftist media.

On the Glenn Beck Radio Program Friday, Paul said his questioning Levine had nothing to do with who she is or the fact that she is a transgender adult, but was about the question of gender changes for children.

"The interesting thing is, none of it was directed towards her personally or who she is. It was directed towards the question of whether children can consent. And this is an intellectual question. It's not an inflammatory question. It's a question of serious consequences," he explained. "Most people would argue that children can't really make an informed consent. You know, we have laws against a man having sex with a 12-year-old, even if the 12-year-old says 'yes', because we don't think a 12-year-old is capable of consenting. They just aren't old enough to make the decision."

Paul went on to add, "I guess the danger is, you have to have some chutzpah. You have to have some guts, some courage to stand up because it is a culture out there where ... everybody is saying I made transphobic comments yesterday. All I did was ask whether a minor could consent to this kind of dramatic surgery. Nothing I ever said was hateful. I said nothing hateful about these people. I said nothing hateful about adults who choose to do this. But the culture is out there is so strong that so many in office are afraid to speak out. And it's getting worse.

"There's a handful of us that will speak out in the Senate. There's a handful in the House, and we just have to grow our ranks. But we have to resist or it just will roll over us. And we'll live in this terrible cancel culture world where nobody speaks out, and everybody is afraid to say anything."

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