GLENN: This building was built in the 1930s to house network radio. The Government got involved and said, you can't do that. For the first time network radio comes out of Radio City every day, 52 weeks a year. Putting the radio back into from Radio City in Midtown Manhattan, this is the third most listened to show in all of America and we're strangely proud of that. Welcome to the program. My name is Glenn Beck. We are going to -- I've got a theory on John McCain and how John McCain should absolutely French kiss Rush Limbaugh and I'll give this to you here in just a second. We've got a lot going on today.
I also have a theory that we have, somehow or another we have entered into a wormhole where it looks like the America that we all know and recognize but somehow or another it's not, and I have evidence that we have slipped through a wormhole because nothing in the news makes sense to me anymore. And we have Nancy Grace on the phone. Hello, Nancy, how are you?
GRACE: Well, I don't like being associated in the same paragraph with wormhole and McCain French kissing Rush Limbaugh, but sobeit. There's nothing I can do about that now.
GLENN: I'm telling you, Nancy, I'm telling you --
GLENN: The French kiss, the John McCain French kissing Rush Limbaugh will make sense but I won't bring it up now.
GRACE: Okay, whatever.
GLENN: Help me out on a story that I have -- because we've been so focused on Super Tuesday and everything else, help me out on the Natalee Holloway tape. The more I look into this, the more this thing is just a nasty tangled web and there's nobody good in this except for Natalee Holloway's family.
GRACE: I agree, I agree. And first of all, I don't know why you're so obsessed with Super Tuesday. If you had asked me about six months ago, I could have said it's going to be tight between McCain, Hillary and Obama, boom. But no, you tortured yourself.
GLENN: Made my head hurt, Nancy, making my head had your.
GRACE: Anyway, Natalee Holloway, yeah. I think the only truly innocent here is Natalee Holloway and believe me --
GLENN: Well, and the mom.
GRACE: I've seen the -- yeah.
GRACE: I've seen the smear, the victim campaign so many times over so many years. I almost immediately take a look at the victim to prepare myself. There's nothing about Natalee, absolutely nothing that could make her look bad and derogatory.
GLENN: Okay. So there's this videotape that is out.
GRACE: Yeah. This is what happened.
GLENN: All right.
GRACE: There is a guy. He is a 34-year-old Dutch businessman. They say businessman. He's got a criminal history. But you know what? Who do you think Van der Sloot, the former judge's son, is going to hang out, priests and virgins? Yeah, this guy, Patrick Van der Eem, 34-year-old guy out of -- a Dutch businessman befriended Joran Van der Sloot at a casino. They spoke the same language, they struck up a conversation, they struck up a friendship and it went from there.
GLENN: How long was the friendship?
GRACE: Months. This was two to three months in the making, and at no time did Van der Eem bring up Natalee Holloway.
GRACE: So, of course, he got Van der Sloot to talk about Natalee Holloway because nobody brought it up. So for all this team even leading up to, they spent a lot of time driving around smoking dope, smoking pot and their big plan, their big plan in life was to start a pot farm. Okay. That's where the whole thing starts.
GRACE: And ultimately --
GLENN: At least they're setting goals.
GRACE: They are setting goals.
GLENN: Yes, jeez.
GRACE: As a businessman. So about two or three months into it just as Van der Eem gets this fantastic SUV outfitted with secret cameras and secret audio recording devices, Van der Sloot gets arrested, again, by the Dutch authorities. Of course it was another catch and release. They let him go after a week or so.
GLENN: Okay. Hold on just a second. Hold on. So was this guy that Van der Sloot met at the casino, was it his intention the whole time to have -- to befriend him and have this a setup? Was he approached at sometime during the relationship by a third party that said, why don't you videotape it? What was the guy's intention that he met at the casino?
GRACE: He was absolutely planning it the entire time. Van der Eem had been approached by a news guy. His name is Peter DeVries. He has his own TV show and it's kind of like their Most Wanted, their America's Most Wanted. It's all about --
GLENN: So it's a show that has some credibility.
GLENN: All right.
GRACE: He's been over a long time and he's all about cracking cases and reporting on crime. So he approaches this guy. The guy says yes, Van der Eem. He befriends Van der Sloot and about two months he's got him right where he wants him. The plan is thrown awry when Van der Sloot gets arrested. It's another catch and release under the Aruba justice system, dare I call it that.
GLENN: It just happened just a couple of months ago.
GRACE: Yes. And they didn't keep him. They decided they didn't have enough evidence to keep him. They let him go again. At that point, as soon as he gets back, they get into this specially outfitted super expensive SUV and he starts talking. He starts talking about the arrest, he talks about the fact that Natalee will never be found, that she is in the ocean, and his story in a nutshell, Glenn Beck, is that he was with the girl, they were making out on the beach alone the night before she leaves, just hours away from returning to America and she suddenly goes into convulsions and dies. Instead of calling 911 or rendering aid, he hides her body in some mangrove trees, calls a friend to come dump the body about a mile offshore. That's his story.
GLENN: Okay. Now he says, and I'm just quoting -- I wish I could play the audio but it's -- you know, it's in, you know, wooden shoe language. So he says, "I almost wanted to cry." He said, "She was shaking." And Van der Eem says, "Shaking?" Van der Sloot: Yes, a lot. I almost wanted to cry. Why does this -- expletive -- always happen to me. I mean, first of all his first thought is, me, I wanted to cry because it was happening to me.
GRACE: Me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
GLENN: And what does he mean by, why does this stuff always happen to me? There's later in the tape where he kind of, he alludes to somebody who helps him out on this kind of stuff.
GRACE: Yes, he keeps saying, "I'll never give up the name, I'll go to my grave with it." And then the guy goes, it's Daury Rodriguez.
GLENN: He does give up the name?
GRACE: He gives up the name Daury, D-a-u-r-y. The only Daury that is in his world comes forward and goes, that wasn't me. I wasn't even on Aruba at that time. So he's lying about the whole disposal of the body. But I found that to be true in many cases, Glenn. Example, I had a guy in a bank robbery, he will tell you the whole story up until the time the security guard is shot. I go, well, who shot the security guard? Well, I turned away at that moment; I don't know who did the murder. Yeah, right. You hear a gun in the room with you and you don't look to see what happened?
So at the time of the disposal of the body and the actual death, he gets a little fuzzy about what was going on there. But here's the other thing. This guy, Van der Eem, is asking him, starts asking him questions and he says he's not altogether sure Natalee was dead when he threw her into the -- when she was thrown into the ocean. He could very likely have thrown her into the ocean still alive.
GLENN: He said also, "I have absolutely no bad feelings about it. I have not lost one night's sleep over it." You know, I've seen the videotape. I just haven't had enough time to watch the thing from start to finish, but I've seen the videotape and it looks -- the guy doesn't look like he's making it up. I mean, it looks credible.
GRACE: Well, remember, Glenn, also this is the guy that stayed behind bars and looked prosecutors and cops right in the eye and lied the whole time. This is what I firmly believe. I think he was with Natalee the night she died and I think it's very likely he killed her. Natalee Holloway has no history of epileptic seizures, she had not used drugs according to any of her friends, her confidantes at school, never, ever.
GLENN: Were they -- did he just say they were just making out on the beach?
GRACE: That's what he said this time. On other occasions he has said that they had sex. On other occasions he has said that he just dropped her off at her hotel and didn't see her after that. Although according to her father, her father told me to my face that Joran Van der Sloot could describe Natalie's body unclothed and the underwear she was wearing that night. So, you know, I don't know what's true and what's not true but I do know that he is responsible for her death.
GLENN: Why would he, why would he confess to this guy driving around smoking pot when they had the pot farm, you know, plans all in place? I mean, he was about to be a wealthy, wealthy pot farmer.
GRACE: Oh, speaking of wealthy, they also discussed Joran Van der Sloot and his father's plan to sue the government for all their pain and suffering and all the money they're going to get. And he says, I'm just sitting back waiting for a big fat compensation check for all I've been through.
GLENN: I've heard that, I've heard that dad was involved. Is that true, that dad was --
GRACE: I don't know. I do know that he's not giving up the name, the real name of whoever helped him dispose of the body. I do know that. And I know the next day, the very next day when they should have been out searching for her, looking for her, he and his father arranged a big meeting in their backyard around their pool, according to my sources, with defense, to work on defense strategy.
GLENN: And what is his defense on this? Just that he was --
GRACE: That he was lying. His state attorney, United States attorney said, oh, he just made all that up. I don't buy that. I really do not buy that because this is what we know without his confession. We know he was the last one with her, we know that he is not telling the truth to the police, we know that at no time that night did he call 911 or try to render aid, and we know that somehow the Kalpoe brothers are involved because they had an argument over a wiretap telephone conversation about this. We know all of that.
GLENN: We should get a Kennedy to try to figure this one out.
GRACE: But it's just so disturbing because Natalee Holloway's parents are left with no real recourse and what's amazing to me is that American tourism in Aruba has only gone up after this.
GLENN: I have to tell you, Nancy, I don't know if I've ever -- we should post this picture on the website. It was right during the Natalee Holloway, when it was really kicking up. And right by the Lincoln tunnel there was a giant billboard for Aruba and I am not kidding you --
GRACE: I saw it.
GLENN: Do you remember what the slogan was? "Your last glimpse of daylight, come to Aruba." And it was right as you went into the tunnel and I thought, that's quite possibly the worst slogan that could be up on a billboard at this time that I've ever seen.
GRACE: I just hate the last thing Natalee Holloway saw, she didn't get to say goodbye to her parents, she wasn't in their loving arms or with them at the time of her death. She was on an isolated beach with Joran Van der Sloot who feels nothing. I mean, he may not have lost a minute's sleep last night but I sure did after I heard this.
GLENN: Well, I heard somebody over there in the wooden shoes and their finger in the dike saying, "Ya, but he's got to live with this for the rest of his life, he's not -- even if he doesn't go to jail, oh, he will be a pariah." And I thought to myself, no, he's not.
GRACE: No, he's not.
GLENN: He doesn't care.
GRACE: He is at school, he is happy, he's drinking beer, he's planning a pot farm, he is driving around in a luxury SUV.
GLENN: He's quite a guy.
GRACE: He's complaining this father, the former judge, doesn't give him enough money. He is a parasite. He is living off his family and he's responsible for Natalee Holloway's death.
GLENN: Here's the last thing that I don't understand. Apparently, apparently Natalie's mom didn't know about the video or didn't see it or anything. They flew her over at the request of this TV show and then filmed her.
GLENN: During this TV show to get her reaction?
GLENN: That's a little tasteless.
GRACE: Yeah, it's tasteless, but it's TV. I -- look. It's TV, and it put her in the bad position of, I imagine -- she didn't tell me this -- either you see the tape this way before the rest of the world sees it or you don't see it.
GLENN: I mean, I know she had no choice. But did she know what she was about to see?
GRACE: I don't know. And she has said point blank that she knew there was a break in the case but she did not reveal whether she knew what was in the tape.
GLENN: Have you talked to her since this?
GRACE: I've talked to the father. I talked to the father.
GLENN: And how are they feeling?
GRACE: Very distraught and in a way relieved that they finally have him on a confession tape.
GLENN: But is it going to stand?
GRACE: Well, this will come into evidence. There's no way in the Constitution that it will be kept out. The Constitution protects you from overbearing police or prosecutors torturing the statement out of you, but the Constitution here -- and this also is the case there in Aruba -- does not protect you from blabbing to your drug buddy. And they are on video smoking pot, you know.
GLENN: But I'm sure that was for agricultural purposes.
GRACE: Medicinal purposes. Maybe that's why they sleep so well.
GLENN: Yeah, maybe that's what they were trying to do.
GRACE: But the way he says it, Glenn, the way he says it -- and I'm going to show I think again tonight, the way he says it is with no feeling, no remorse except irritation that his life has been disrupted. He calls her a bitch throughout, he calls her a whore throughout with absolutely no reason to do that.
GRACE: It's just, it's horrible.
GLENN: And that's the kind of stuff that, at least in movies that I've seen, that the killer does.
GRACE: And no remorse --
GLENN: They demonize the --
GRACE: No concern. Nothing like, she was a really nice girl, I'm sick about it, I wish I knew what happened, nothing like that. Nothing, nothing. And if this is a lie, what kind of a freak would make this up.
GLENN: So Nancy, may I change subjects with you here for just a second?
GLENN: I need your help on something because this is what you do. It's not what I do. I'm not an investigative reporter. I don't do this, I don't "Missing people" things, I don't do this. We've got 21 missing people down in Laredo, Texas, Americans that have just disappeared. Now there's a story that just came out yesterday that I'm going to talk about tonight that Americans are being pulled off the streets in San Diego and being held hostage in Tijuana across the border. Mexico is completely out of control. I cannot get the FBI to go on record. I can get them to go on record about the missing people but they will not go on television. I can't get a single reporter to go on because they're all afraid for their lives down by the border. How do you find this information? How do I get somebody to help expose this story?
GRACE: You know, I've heard rumblings about that story for some time. I didn't know that it was true or not.
GLENN: No, it is. Nobody -- and here's the problem, Nancy. All of the reporters down at the border are afraid for their life. Do you remember when Lou Dobbs went down to the border?
GLENN: And they put snipers on the roof all the way around them? I'm going down to the border. The security is incredible. No reporter is willing to do this stuff that actually lives down there because they're blowing up newspaper buildings and killing people who are speaking out. And these are Americans that have been kidnapped and are missing.
GRACE: Well, I learned pretty quickly when we were covering the Maria Lauterbach case, the perpetrator, the alleged perpetrator in that case has gone to Mexico and the Mexican authorities are doing absolutely nothing to apprehend him and he has been cited there specifically at a certain street corner and a certain store. They have done nothing to stop him. So that's an American issue. And they are totally looking the other way.
GLENN: Well, you know what, Nancy? I would like to talk to you off the air because maybe you and I can join forces on some of these.
GRACE: You know, I would really love to because I've heard about the story for a long time. I didn't know how much was true.
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
GRACE: And how much was urban myth.
GLENN: I'll show you the evidence and it will blow your mind.
GRACE: I would love to.
GLENN: Nancy, thank you so much. And you do have the video on tonight, right?
GRACE: I do. Bye, dear.