by Karna Small Bodman
GLENN: I was down in Florida. I had a few minutes to sit down and talk to an author of, it's called gamut and the arrest thundershower is Karna Small Bodman and she was a reporter for a San Francisco television station and she moved to Washington, D.C. where she was an anchorperson there and then at one point Jim Brady was named press secretary for Ronald Reagan and she was Jim Brady's deputy press secretary. And we had a fascinating conversation. She's writing something for Fusion. She's actually our latest author for our Seven Days series which is in Fusion magazine. Karna, how are you?
BODMAN: Well, I'm great, Glenn. Good to be with you today.
GLENN: How was your weekend?
BODMAN: It was terrific. I was thrilled because this new book came out. Got a couple of great reviews in the Sunday paper. It kind of made my weekend.
GLENN: Get out of here. Did they know you used to work at the White House?
BODMAN: Yeah, but I guess they liked the book anyway.
GLENN: Holy cow. I'm surprised. Usually they won't even review it.
BODMAN: Is this weird or what.
GLENN: So the book is actually, the book is fascinating. It is actually about technology that we have sitting on a shelf some place.
GLENN: To protect our airplanes. Tell the story a little bit.
BODMAN: Well, actually right now our Department of Homeland Security has had contracts out with a couple of defense contractors to adapt military technology for use on commercial flights to protect against things like, you know, a shoulder-fired missile or something like that. But here's the problem. The technology sitting on the shelf. There's no money to deploy it. You know, the airlines are broke and the Government doesn't want to pay for it. So it's sitting there and yet it's not a stretch to think that some terrorist group some place could get a hold of a couple of these weapons. There are about close to a million of them floating around the world. They make a --
GLENN: Do you remember, was this the -- was the inspiration for this book at all the guy -- remember the guy, what is it, in New Jersey?
BODMAN: Right, right, right. He was arrested trying to acquire a shoulder-fired missile from, turned out to be an undercover agent, thank God. But you see, the problem is these things are floating around. They are making them, Russia, China, all over. And imagine the chaos if, my Lord, somebody were to get a hold of one and try to take down a plane or two. And in "Gambit," the story of "Gambit" is that the White House calls in our missile defense expert, Dr. Cameron Talbot who was featured in the first book, "Checkmate." But anyway, called her back in to try to perfect a laser technique for protecting a plane. Now, you know, the whole process for protecting our commercial airliners is actually, it's not that expensive. Okay, yeah, costs about a million dollars a plane. That's less than they pay for, you know, the audio system on a plane. And so --
GLENN: Is this the same kind of technology -- I know El Al will never say what they have on the planes but you know they've got stuff on their planes. Do you think this is kind of stuff El Al has on their planes?
BODMAN: I don't know exactly what they do have but I know they have protection systems and people that fly on those kinds of planes are willing to give up a little fancy service in exchange for security. They really are. So in the story of Gambit, you know, the trouble is it kind of shows what could happen while we're sitting around, you know, just waiting. But, you know, lest you think it's all technology or, you know, all scary parts, which it is, it's a thriller, there's also a relationship thing in there, a little romantic, the highest levels of the White House. We're trying to make it realistic here, okay?
GLENN: I'm uncomfortable. Wait a minute. Realistic? Are you saying that there was something, there were things going on in the Reagan White House when you were there?
BODMAN: No, no, no, that is not what I'm saying. I'm just trying to say the book does reflect some aspects of life in Washington, a little political intrigue here and there.
GLENN: Let me ask you this. I mean, you worked at the Reagan White House.
GLENN: I just talked to Michael Reagan last week and I said how sick are you of hearing politicians say I'm like Ronald Reagan, and that was your dad. Do you see any politician out there that you think has the qualities of Ronald Reagan? Is there anybody out there that you have seen?
BODMAN: Not exactly. Of course, now I sound like an old Hertz commercial. Look, I love it when they are all trying to be Ronald Reagan: It shows that they admire what he did. I mean, all of his policies and his personality, especially his policies, if they would all adopt some more Reaganesque, you know, positions, I think we would be in a lot better shape.
GLENN: I was going to say they don't even understand his positions. They don't understand his values.
BODMAN: And that's what the man had, Glenn. He had values going in. He had built enough over the years. You know, these were his core beliefs in, you know, reduction in tax rates, homeland, you know, being strong and peace through strength, individual responsibility. You know, he is the kind of a person who would subscribe to the line that free enterprise is the enterprise of free men, you know? I mean, his whole key was the spread of freedom. Now, he used to say, people say they want peace. You could have peace if you just went through the streets and locked up all the dissidents. You would have peace. But that's not the answer.
GLENN: I mean, you were there, you were there as deputy press secretary when he was meeting with Pope John Paul, II, et cetera, et cetera. I was talking earlier today that we are repeating the end of Russia, the end of the Soviet Union except we're now the Soviet Union. There's a Cold War going on, they're spending us to death. We're in Afghanistan. Osama Bin Laden is really on their side, not our side. The oil thing, I mean, the pressures are early similarly, are they not? Or is it just me?
BODMAN: Well, there are some different pressures because, you know, we had a different, quote, enemy at the time. And now we are facing Islamic fascism.
GLENN: Right, but I mean the pressures.
BODMAN: Remember back in Reagan's day the assassination of Sa'adat? That was by Islamic jihadists. You know, they were running around that getting stronger and stronger. But okay, so it's a slightly different set of circumstances but the important values and keys still remain and that is, you know, being strong at home, building up your defenses, you know, being as strong as you can internationally and standing up for what you believe in. Look, these people, they hate our system of free enterprise, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion and especially the way they treat women. And so we've got to stand up for our values and not just say, oh, well, you know, let's all get along, you know, and be naive about the whole thing. So when you talk about the candidates, it's kind of like a thriller. It's real scary out there.
GLENN: The name of the book is "Gambit." It is on sale now. She is also the author of "Checkmate," which is the first book. The "Gambit" is a political thriller. It's the stuff that you're going to -- it's the stuff that somebody at some point when the plane comes down in this way, they are going to go, oh, my gosh, did you read this book. You can get it available at bookstores everywhere. Of course if you would like to read that chapter as well as the chapter of the other best selling authors like Brad Thor, Ted Bell, et cetera, et cetera of Seven Days, you can get that in Fusion magazine. Call now, 888-Glenn-Beck or go to GlennBeck.com. Don't miss another chapter including Karna's chapter and her name of the book again is "Gambit."