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GLENN: Yesterday I was telling you about a story that came from the Aspen Times. It was an op-ed piece written by Gary Hubbell. I saw this piece and I thought boy, oh, boy, is this guy right on the money. You look at this. People are tired. He talks about how the angry white man is going to be the guy deciding the election. The angry white man is the one that has been forgotten by everybody. He used to be called, before the angry white man, he used to be called the forgotten man until FDR twisted it. But the forgotten man is the guy who's just paying his taxes. He's the guy who's working hard every day. He's the guy who's out there busting his butt and nobody pays any attention to him and they crap on him all the time. That's now the angry white man, at least according to Gary Hubbell. And Gary's on the phone with me. Hi, Gary, how are you?
HUBBELL: Hello there, Glenn, thanks for having me on.
GLENN: You bet. Great op-ed piece. I don't know if you saw, we referenced you on the TV show as well.
HUBBELL: Oh, okay. Great.
GLENN: Wow, you don't even watch.
HUBBELL: Oh, man. I'm a hard working guy.
GLENN: No, no, no, I'm kidding. So tell me your theory here.
HUBBELL: Well, it's pretty simple. Most people who are, you know, at least conservatively dead have had a sense in their inboxes or referenced it somehow because this has gone around the world. But to knob size it, I just said that there's a block of voters out here that nobody's talking about. While the politicians are pandering to every other special interest group out there, the people that will decide the election, at least if Hillary Clinton is the nominee are going to be the angry white man because they will not let that woman get elected.
GLENN: Well, when you say the angry white man, you're not inferring that it has anything to do with racism?
HUBBELL: No, I thought I made that clear in my column, although I've been called everything under the sun since I wrote that column.
GLENN: I bet you have.
HUBBELL: A Neanderthal, caveman, racist, misogynist, sexist, a homophobe, you know, every pejorative term that you can think of. I think that's kind of interesting, Glenn, because the people that are slinging out the name-calling are all the liberals who are the ones that are supposed to be so inclusive.
GLENN: Oh, I know, I know. I mean, honestly they use fascist tactics all the time. You write in the column, "The angry white man is not a metrosexual, a homosexual or a victim. Nobody like him drowned in Hurricane Katrina -- he got his people together and got the hell out, then he went back in to rescue those too helpless or too stupid to help themselves, often as a police officer, a National Guard soldier or a volunteer firefighter.
This is the kind of stuff that, Gary, gets you into trouble in America but it is the kind of stuff that I have been wondering for a long time. Since Hurricane Katrina when did we turn into a nation of people that stand on our roof with signs that say "Help"? When did we do that?
HUBBELL: Especially when you have a category size 5 current. It's like hello, people, come on, you know?
HUBBELL: But what it goes to is that I've had this reaction, Glenn, where people have said, "I can't believe that you wrote that and further, I can't believe your paper published it" because what I wrote was so outrageous to so many people that in this era of political correctness, you just can't say things like that.
GLENN: I know.
HUBBELL: Like you say, it's the First Amendment.
GLENN: Well, but it -- quite honestly a lot of it is just common sense. Your point is that everybody is a special interest group. Everybody -- you've got to give these people special power, special dispensation, you've got to bail these people out. Yet, the guy who -- or the woman who is at home every day busting their butt, doing the right thing, paying their taxes, trying to raise their family, not looking for a handout is the one, especially if you're a small business owner, getting screwed by the government every time because you're told you're too rich, you're too whatever, you don't qualify for this, you can't have a gun, we know our sovereignty is being taken and yet we're the ones that are standing up saying, wait a minute, I love my country; I don't want the sovereignty to go to the United Nations, and you voted, you went out, you paid attention to the issues and the weasels in Washington are doing it to you.
HUBBELL: And I think there was a big, big disconnect and that's one thing I've written about in previous columns was I wrote about illegal immigration when Kennedy and McCain were putting together this amnesty bill and this was about two months prior to the implosion of it and I warned people. I said, look, if the politicians in Washington think that America's going to stand for this, they're wrong. They are wrong. And about that time it just blew up in everybody's faces. And so I don't know. I'm just a guy in a small town in Colorado who's working hard for a living.
HUBBELL: And sometimes wondering how the heck am I going to make the mortgage payment and I think I have a little bit more on the pulse of America than a politician sitting in Washington, D.C. flying around in Leer jets.
GLENN: I have to tell you, Gary, that I think you're right on that and I also wonder if we're talking about the same thing, and it came with the immigration. I went down to Texas and I was in Texas I think only for 24 hours and I came back with a wildly different experience. I lived in Texas for a while. Wildly different view of what was going on in the country. There is growing disenfranchisement and a growing anger in this country that Washington is not only ignoring us. It's one thing to ignore, but the words of our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence, we have repeatedly asked, we have repeatedly -- I'm trying to remember it exactly. I'm going to butcher it. We repeatedly plead to you to stop injuring us, and the only thing that happens is you continually injure us. It's not that they're ignoring us. Washington is actually injuring us by taking away our sovereignty, et cetera, et cetera. Are you concerned about a growing not disconnect but discontent in the population that you think people might eventually rise up and say enough is enough; I want my power back?
HUBBELL: Well, let me address that in a couple of ways. First of all, you may not believe this, but I used to be a registered Democrat and I heard you speaking about Lou Dobbs on your program and you encouraged people to disconnect with the parties and register as an independent, and I did that. And if people think that I support George Bush, they're wrong because I did not vote for him in 2000 or in 2004 and I've never been a George Bush supporter. So if people think I'm some kind of right wing zealot, they're wrong.
HUBBELL: I also consider myself to be a pretty strong environmentalist but to the point where I want to see things done right. I'm not against cutting timber, I'm not against drilling for gas and things like that but do it right and clean up after you leave.
GLENN: Can I tell you something? You know who you are, Gary? You're my grandfather. You're my -- you're the family member that I was raised by. I was raised by a strong Democratic family but they were not crazy people, and I think this is the Democratic party -- I think you are the Democrat that I think disenfranchised Republicans have been looking for. The Republicans have sold the conservative movement down the river and the Democrats have sold the Democratic, you know, my grandfather's Democratic party down the river and I've been looking for someone like you going, where are you Democrats that disagree with Nancy Pelosi that say, no, I want to have -- I want to be energy independent but I do care about the planet as well. Where are the common sense people?
HUBBELL: Right, right. And Glenn, here's the thing. I think there's a really strong -- I think that maybe our time in American history and politics for a really substantial third party to be grounded and started. And there is a lot of discontent and a lot of unrest. The comments I've gotten on the forum on the aspentimes.com, typically a really transient column or article that's very interesting might get 10 or 20 comments. We'll roll over 1,000 on this angry white man column.
GLENN: Oh, yeah.
HUBBELL: And so I think you can say that it's really touched the pulse of America. Many millions of people have read it. I've kind of put the finger on the pulse of this seething anger at especially the political correctness and as you say, disenfranchisement but other people say how can a white man say he's disenfranchised? You guys have been the ones running the deal for the last 200 years.
GLENN: It's not --
HUBBELL: Well, we really don't think people are listening to us and I can't tell you how many people have thanked me for writing this column. But there's also a lot of angry white women and angry Hispanics and angry blacks.
GLENN: You know, here's what it is. It's the angry American.
GLENN: It's the American that feels the country has been stolen from us. What we used to be, what we used to believe in, it is quickly slipping through our fingers and we stand here, we all -- all these people in Washington keep saying, well, we're working on the problem, well, we're trying, we got another blue ribbon panel. No, it doesn't -- it's not that hard. It's not that hard to figure out. And nobody is listening to us. You are exactly right.
HUBBELL: Well, I've been a listener of yours for a long time and I really appreciate your commentary and your take on the world and, you know, it's kind of funny. When I started listening to your radio program, I thought, now, here you go. Here's a guy who is like me. Because I haven't seen you as an apologist for Bush and you're a conservative and we share a lot of the same common goals and morals and so forth, but I think there's many -- that's why you have the listenership you do. There's so many millions of people who feel the same way.
GLENN: Gary, I'd love to have you on television. I don't know if we can put you in tonight, but I want to have you on television because I want to explore this and I'd like to have you back on the radio because I think you have -- it is good to hear from a traditional blue dog Democrat, somebody who is on the other side saying, get away from the party because I think -- you know, I've been saying this for a long time. Conservatives, get away from these parties because they are doing -- they're taking us to the same place and it's not a good place. It is so refreshing to hear a Democrat say the same thing.
HUBBELL: Well, and I'm not a Democrat anymore. Let's be clear. I can't identify with --
GLENN: You are an independent, right?
HUBBELL: I am a registered independent. But here's the other thing, and this is something that I've heard you talk about on your program and I'd like to reflect this in my comments today. It's about gun control, too and that's one thing that I really strongly believe. See, I was at a really special place from the year 2000 to 2007. My wife and I ran an outfitting business in Marble, Colorado. We took people from the Aspen area and so forth on horseback, fly-fishing trips and elk hunts and so forth and I would typically outfit about 50 elk hunters a year and so we had 400 guys, and about 10% women, I guess, come through our business that wanted to do those trips into the high country and go on a hunting trip. And by the way, I'm not apologizing for it. We were hunting with guns. But every one of them said, I hate Hillary Clinton and she's going to try to take my gun.