by Andrew Gross
GLENN: I have to tell you that I spent all weekend -- in fact, bring Andrew on. This is Andrew Gross. He is the guy who has coauthored I don't know how many of James Patterson's number one best sellers but this is his second now book that is out just under his name alone, Andrew Gross, "The Dark Tide." Hi, Andrew, how are you?
GROSS: Good, how are you?
GLENN: I have to tell you that I read an awful lot and the week that we had you on last week, I had to read James Patterson's new book and so I had a producer read your book for me and then, you know, do all the homework for me.
GROSS: Glenn, I hate to tell you this, but the feed is really low. I'm having a hell of a time hearing you.
GLENN: That doesn't matter. What I'm saying is inconsequential anyway. But anyway, we'll try to fix that but if you can just try to listen a little -- use all your superpower hearing.
GLENN: What happened was I felt horrible when I interviewed you because I hadn't read your book and so this weekend I read your book. I have to tell you I was up on Friday night until 4:30. I was up until 2:00 yesterday and 1:30 last night finishing the book. It is outrageous. It is really, really a great book. I just wanted to get you on and tell you that.
GROSS: That's great. Thanks for having me back.
GLENN: You know, when we talked originally, you know, you said it wasn't a September 11th book, it's not a terrorist book, and it only starts -- just tell the premise because I have to tell you, I got about three chapters into it and there was no way I was going to stop this book.
GROSS: That's cool. Well, "The Dark Tide" is really about two sort of tragic events that take place in and around Greenwich, Connecticut and one is sort of momentous that begins the book. It's a train bombing. It takes place in Grand Central Station and takes the live of Karen Friedman's husband who's a successful hedge fund trader. And the second one is a little more local. It's a hit-and-run accident that takes place on the same day in Greenwich and the head of detectives there, Ty Hauck, begins to, you know, feel a bit of a suspicious accident. And the book really which leads through money laundering and hedge fund losses and, of course, murder, international scams is really how these two crimes begin to converge together.
GLENN: But you know what? Here's what the best part is -- by the way, the name of the book is The Dark Tide. The best part of the book is it's a wife who doesn't know what's going on. Her husband supposedly dies in this bombing of the train. She doesn't know that, you know, that her husband did -- I think there were a couple of people in 9/11 that actually went, I can start my life over again.
GROSS: Well, I guess that's ultimately where I sort of got the original concept for how I wanted to write this book.
GLENN: So she is trying to figure it out. She has no idea the danger she's in and then there's a local cop, a detective that also, the whole time, Andrew, I have to tell you. I'm surprised that it ended the way it did because the whole time I thought to myself -- I don't want to give anything away at the end but just, the forces that you have in here are so powerful and I believe actually so real that this kind of stuff is really going on and here's two average people that are wading through it and I thought, how is this, how is this book going to be. I don't even know. What is it? 200 pages? How is this book going to be this long? They have got to be killed by Chapter 5.
GROSS: I managed to get through 430 pages of it. I actually wasn't a writer but a lot of people, you come to it from different points of life and I actually managed companies for 15 or 20 years and I knew through the Greenwich area and New York area a lot of people who sort of represented these large financial interests and, you know, one of my themes, I guess, is to sort of puncture the myth of how this is done. I sort of liked to see the mighty fallen and as you mentioned, he goes up against forces that are quite large against him and I sort of like that.
GLENN: It's great stuff. I want to touch base with you also because you wrote for Fusion this month. You did -- I don't even know what chapter we're up to in our Seven Days series where this character we had, he was -- his wife was kidnapped, taken hostage. He doesn't -- you know, he works for the White House, et cetera, et cetera. And what we did is we wrote one chapter and then we have another best selling author write the next chapter. And what happened -- and we didn't see it coming -- was these authors set the next author up in many cases and they're like, oh, yeah? You think you're so hot? Solve this one.
GROSS: Yeah, a little bit of author vindictiveness going on here.
GLENN: It's amazing. Because every chapter ends and you're like, oh, crap, how is the next author going to be able to tie that in? It's great. This is a great story line.
So I don't even know how many chapters we're into it but we're pretty deep, and you got the chapter where one of the characters has to water board.
GROSS: Yeah, lucky me, man, right? I was set up well on this.
GLENN: And is it true you didn't know how you felt or where you stood even on waterboarding until you had to do all your research on it?
GROSS: Well, you know, I practiced a little on my wife until I got the technique down.
GLENN: Sure, sure.
GROSS: Everything didn't go over particularly well but we didn't get anything on the Internet today. So we were able to sort of -- I was able to sort of watch firsthand a couple of things. And so what I really wanted to bring to that chapter because it's so horrifying to see this really being done and here you have a person who is your hero in this story is a little bit of a humanity and someone who, for larger forces, is participating in something that he knows is horrific but as he is watching it happen has to say to himself, no, as a man I can't do this. So, you know, in a strange way it actually turned out to be a good chapter I think from the point of view character in the book.
GLENN: Yeah. Well, you can read the seven days chapters online at GlennBeck.com in the Fusion section and you, of course, can get it mailed to you in Fusion every month or you can get it on the Internet in a PDF file but it's a fantastic series and it's all part of Fusion magazine and Andrew is our guest author in this month's chapter. But his book is called The Dark Tide. And Andrew, just fantastic. It provided a great weekend. I've been telling my wife about it all weekend and she is like, okay, all right, I'm going to read this book. And she never says that about any book I read. "I'm reading this book." So she is starting it tonight. So Andrew, thanks a lot.
GROSS: You bet. Never tired of hearing it. Appreciate it.
GLENN: Name of the book is The Dark Tide.