Glenn interviews legendary sportscaster

GLENN: Third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, you sick twisted freak. Welcome to the program. We have Bob Costas that's going to join us here in just a second. I have to tell you, if you listen to this program, you know I don't know jack about sports. I don't watch it, I don't know anything about it, never have, never followed it. But Bob Costas is probably the one guy, in fact not probably, is the one guy. If I hear his voice, if I'm flipping around on the channels and I see or hear Bob Costas, I stop because, A, I know it must be important; and B, I know it's going to be entertaining. He's beyond a sportscaster. He is just a great storyteller. Bob Costas, is he on with us? Bob, welcome to the program.

COSTAS: Glenn, after that introduction, I refuse to go on with you. Couldn't you be any kinder to me?

GLENN: Well, not really. I don't think so. We spent hours working on that, Bob.

COSTAS: More than I deserve.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I don't know if you know this. I do not know anything about sports. So you're going to have to excuse me from the getgo.

COSTAS: I do know that because in the brief encounters we've had, the very first time I met you, that was sort of your apologetic introduction and I say the same thing, I'll say to somebody when, you know, you're out to dinner and one party or another in the group apologizes to me and says, I know nothing about sports. And not only do I honestly say no apologies needed but at times it's almost a respite because sports is such a common denominator, everybody has an opinion on the Super Bowl or whatever and sometimes I'm more than happy to talk about almost anything else.

GLENN: Yeah, you've got to be the kind of guy that's like a doctor. When you go to cocktail parties, everybody's like, hey, listen, I got this thing growing on my foot.

COSTAS: Right.

GLENN: And the doctor's got to be, oh, jeez, come on, I'm just -- more cocktails, please. It's got to be that way at times where you're just like, can we just stop talking to me about sports?

COSTAS: Yeah. And you know, not only does that happen, and it's almost always good-natured but someone will come up to me on a plane and they will say, Bob, who's going to win the final four? And then I give them my best guess and then they act pained like, oh, no, I wanted it to be UCLA, as if I knew. And I always said, look, if I knew for sure instead of just guessing like you'd be guessing, I wouldn't be on a night to St. Louis. I'd be on my way to Vegas.

GLENN: What's the worst Bob Costas star thing that's ever happened to you? Like we -- I saw you in the bathroom the other day and I remember reading Paul Newman and he said, "I'll never give autographs because I was standing at a your natural and somebody said, you're Paul Newman, can I have your autograph." So we were in the rest room. I didn't say a word, we were in the rest room because, you know, what is the worst Paul Newman, you know, kind of Bob Costas event you've had?

COSTAS: Gee. You've got me stumped now. Oh, I'll give you one and this isn't really the worst. It was actually endearing and entertaining. I'm sitting literally on a bus bench waiting for some NBC colleagues to pull up and pick me up after a practice, the Chicago Bulls practice during the Michael Jordan era and they were playing in Los Angeles and it was a hot Saturday afternoon and they had gone to get a car and I had kind of lingered behind and they were going to swing over and pick me up. So while I'm waiting for them, I sit down at the curve on a bus bench and a homeless guy comes ambling up and he looks as ragged as sometimes those folks do with four or five layers of clothes and he's wearing a Dodger cap and the L.A. insignia's black with grime and he's got sneakers with no laces and he sits down at the other end of the bench and I kind of glance at him and he glances at me and about five seconds go by and he says, so Bob, you think the Lakers have a chance? And now I'm talking to this guy who's homeless but apparently he's got a TV. And I say, well, you know, blah, blah, blah, stop Michael Jordan, whatever. I swear, Glenn, this story's true. And he says to me, so you live in New York, huh? And I said, well, I grew up in New York, I do a lot of work in New York but actually I live in St. Louis. And the next words out of this guy's mouth are, so help me, St. Louis, huh? Are they going to put a Lord and Taylor in that new Galleria there? A homeless guy. I'm mind boggled. So now, now Ahmad Rashad and Marv Albert pull over and they honk the horn and I say, hold on, I've got to interview this guy now. I've got to get to the bottom of it. And I have my own thoughts. I'm thinking maybe he's considering relocating to the midwest and wants to make sure his favorite stores are represented. And I ask him what the deal is and he says, you know, he's only temporarily down on his luck, a business major graduate of USC and every day he reads the business section of the L.A. Times and he had just read an article a few days before about how local economies were being boosted by the building of malls and Gallerias, first with the construction jobs as they went up and then with the service jobs after they open. And I guess the guy just tucked it away as a possible conversational ice breaker in case he bumped into someone from St. Louis who he recognized from doing basketball games on TV. And that's when I say to myself, you know, the switch is such a common denominator, it cuts across everything.

GLENN: Do you have any idea what's happened to this guy since?

COSTAS: You know, I offered him games the next night, I gave him tickets to the game and we have since lost, we have since lost contact. On another occasion I was having dinner in Little Italy and John Gotti and some of his henchmen came in, early 1990s and they had been sitting there just a couple of minutes and the maitre d' came up and said, Mr. Costas, Mr. Gotti would like to buy you a drink and I'm thinking, I may have had enough to drink already but this is in the category of an offer you can't refuse. And I said sure.

GLENN: Yes, sir.

COSTAS: Another bottle of Chianti. And they bring it over. I swear to you, I was with a bunch of friends. So I look over at them, I raise my glass and I say, Mr. Gotti, thank you. He says, Bob, I like your work. I'm thinking, now what am I supposed to say? I like your work, too?

GLENN: I'm a big fan, John.

COSTAS: I'm a big fan. Nice rubout at Sparks Steakhouse?

GLENN: That's great, that's great. Let me take you to Beijing for a second.

COSTAS: Yep.

GLENN: You know, you are going over. You're going to do the Olympics. What do you -- I mean, going back to Munich, this has the potential of being a real powder keg.

COSTAS: It does.

GLENN: What are your thoughts on this?

COSTAS: Well, we generally think -- hope this is true -- that regardless of the other problems that one of the byproducts of the kind of airtight government control that the Chinese exercise is that it's less likely than in some other places, less likely that there will be a specific act of terrorism directed at the games, not impossible but less likely. What seems --

GLENN: Do you think there could be not even, not even necessarily terror but some real bad riots or --

COSTAS: Yeah, there could be. That's just what I was about to say. There almost certainly will be political protests. Some of it will come from within China. Others may come from people outside who look at this as the single best chance to shine a meaningful light on whatever problems they have with the Chinese government. The IOC maybe should have taken this further into account when they granted the games to Beijing. Part of the argument at the time was, look, this is going to actually act as a spur to them to reform. They won't want to look bad on the international stage and this will help to further democratize and modernize their society.

GLENN: Are you going to be able to -- do you have any idea what the television contracts are like? Are you going to be able to cover that stuff if it's not live? Are you going to be able to take a camera out and cover anything that's happening around? Or are they going to shut you guys down?

COSTAS: Well, they talked about denying access to any journalist, denying access to Tiananmen Square among other places. I know negotiations are underway right now to see if they can get that lifted. NBC news is going to be there in full force, Nightly News, the Today Show, MSNBC, CNBC. So we certainly have the resources to cover not just the sports aspect but the news aspect and if the present tone continues or is even heightened, I don't see how you could possibly separate the two. We want to present the events and the pageantry because that is part of the Olympics but if the other sub text is there and it's kind of in our faces, then I don't think we can deny it. On the other hand if people tune in to watch the 100 meter dash final or the platform diving final and one guy in Row Z is holding up a placard of protest, I don't think you need to note that every single time. I don't think that the Olympics and prime time have to be Nightline or 60 Minutes. But when the politics kind of merges with the competition, then I think it's only common sense and responsible to cover that, too.

GLENN: I mean, in a way I feel -- and I feel torn because I think China is damn near evil, if not full out evil. It's kind of good that this has happened because people have gone along, seems like in America people are just like, oh, yeah, well, they're not that bad. Hey, they make products for us. This is a communist regime that is enslaving many of their people. It's not good. And this is a way really it's working out and I think what China was trying for. The people are starting to look at it and go, okay, wait a minute, maybe we shouldn't be involved. Do you think we should boycott the opening ceremonies or boycott all of it or just disregard?

COSTAS: We're not going to boycott all of it. I don't think that's going to happen. I think the President of Jimmy Carter's boycott with the '80 Moscow games of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the feeling is that it penalized a lot of athletes and it really didn't do much good. We understood what Carter's motivation was but the outcome didn't back up what his objective was. I think it's still possible that the U.S. and other nations could boycott the opening ceremony but I think President Bush's approach right now is that he would rather use it as a carrot to say, look, don't make me boycott this opening ceremony, don't make me join those nations that are already saying they are going to step aside. Make these changes, give me a good faith understanding that you are going to do some things that we'll be comfortable with and then I'll show up.

GLENN: I mean, Bob, they were sending us lead-covered toys and we didn't do anything. They were sending us toys covered in lead paint.

COSTAS: Yeah, you know, the whole world quivers at the thought of what happened if they were cut out of the Chinese economy.

GLENN: Yeah.

COSTAS: You've got a fifth of the world's population, an economy growing at the rate of more than 10% a year. Without Chinese involvement, if you were to remove that, think of the impact on the American economy and a number of American corporations who are already linked with China. So it's a complicated situation.

GLENN: Hey, let me change the subject to Tiger Woods who I think is the ultimate male. I mean, he's rich, he's good looking, he's a good guy, married to a supermodel, lives a lot of time on a boat. I mean, how sweet is that life?

COSTAS: You can find much to criticize about that.

GLENN: No, you really can't. Let me ask you this. I saw this story last week and it was in, I think Advertising Age or something like that. I didn't even know they did this. Is it really, is it like this with all golfers? This is right from an advertising agent. Nike has already scripted what Tiger Woods is going to wear each day at the Masters. Thursday it's a pink and khaki striped polo shirt with khaki pants, today is a mock black turtleneck with gray plaid pants. Saturday Tiger will wear a white striped polo shirt with black pants. On Sunday a magenta and pink polo with pink vertical stripes and black pants. He is wearing a white hat for the first three rounds and a black hat on Sunday. His wear will be available retail, blah, blah, blah. Final decision has also been made for what he's wearing at the U.S. open. Is it really that scripted for everybody?

COSTAS: Not for everybody. Most of the tough golfers have some kind of connection with one company or another and you'll see they're wearing caps or shirts that promote that company. But Tiger's in a world of his own. When Tiger isn't in a tournament or when he's not high on the leader board, the television ratings plummet. His mere premise jacks the television ratings up and he is -- Nike has taken to the -- I mean, they don't give Tiger Woods, "Hey, what do you wear, Tiger, you wear a large, an extra large, a medium, here it is off the rack." No, they make these things for him form-fitting. He is in perhaps the best physical shape of any golfer we've ever seen. They make these things almost like a superhero outfit for him. You can't take your eyes off of him. He just has such a striking physical presence and they know that in addition to selling golf equipment and what not, people are going to look at Tiger Woods and these outfits and say, hey, where do I get one of those. And Nike will happily sell it to you. The difference is you will not look like Tiger Woods once you put it on.

GLENN: Yeah. You know what, have you noticed he is starting to look more and more like his dad?

COSTAS: Well, I notice he's losing a little bit of hair, which is the one flaw maybe in his physical appearance. When he takes his hat off in celebration times, you can see that, but --

GLENN: I saw a picture. Look at -- let's see. This is the New York Times. Look at the sports page, front sports page of the "New York Times," him at the Masters. I think he is starting to look more and more like his dad. Maybe it's just the shot. Is he the most dominant athlete of all time?

COSTAS: You know, you can make a case that no one has ever been better at their sport than Tiger Woods. As great as Michael Jordan was and he won the six titles and all the scoring championships, I don't think other people felt like they had almost no chance to beat him. The other golfers know that if Tiger has his A game, they're cooked, that they're playing for second place. I don't know that Babe Ruth at his best or Wayne Gretzky at his best or whomever you want to note was better at their sport or as good at their sport as Tiger Woods at his best is to golf. Now, some people would argue that even though golfers clearly aren't athletes, they are not the same as Olympic athletes or basketball players or football players, that maybe it's in a different category. But if we consider them all the same, then I couldn't put anybody ahead of Tiger Woods.

GLENN: Bob, I have to tell you and I don't even know if I want the answer to this one. We had a guy on yesterday and he was introducing John McCain at a rally and he was talking about how heroes now are sports figures and, you know, there are real heroes out there, and sports figures are, you know, guys that, you know, they make money. That's their job. They are not real heroes. And he used Tiger Woods, he said, you take Tiger Woods, I got John McCain. Tiger Woods is probably an exception to that rule. He's a guy that I wouldn't mind my son looking up to because he's worked hard, he's really studied it. He has worked on his craft. He's a decent guy, et cetera, et cetera.

COSTAS: Yeah.

GLENN: Is he really that guy?

COSTAS: Well, I don't know him that well, but from what I know of him, I think he's certainly admirable in many ways. Some people criticize him as they've criticized other black athletes of his generation for not being as outspoken on social issues as some of their predecessors. You know, in that respect he's not a Muhammad Ali or a Bill Russell or a Jackie Robinson or Arthur Ashe or someone like that, although societal conditions have changed and maybe the issues aren't as stark now as they were then but that is one criticism that you'll hear of Tiger Woods or of Michael Jordan. You know, I'm always very reluctant to label a sports figure a hero. You know, when I was a kid, I loved Mickey Mantle. He was a baseball hero but even when I was 10 years old, I wasn't thinking to myself, how can I be like Mickey Mantle as a person. I didn't know Mickey Mantle as a person. He was my favorite baseball player and he was in that context a heroic baseball player. I think what you can do with sports figures is the best of them are metaphors for excellence and determination and you can take something from that. But I don't think you should make the leap that the whole array of human qualities automatically attach themselves to someone who's good at a game.

GLENN: Bob Costas, what a pleasure to have you on. We'll talk to you again soon. Thanks, man.

COSTAS: Bye.

Conservatives are between a rock and a hard place with Section 230 and Big Tech censorship. We don't want more government regulation, but have we moved beyond the ability of Section 230 reforms to rein in Big Tech's rising power?

Rachel Bovard, Conservative Partnership Institute's senior director of policy, joined the Glenn Beck radio program to give her thoughts and propose a possibly bipartisan alternative: enforcing our existing antitrust laws.

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Dan Bongino, host of The Dan Bongino Show, is an investor in Parler — the social media platform that actually believes in free speech. Parler was attacked by Big Tech — namely Amazon, Apple, and Google — earlier this week, but Bongino says the company isn't giving up without a fight. In fact, he says, he's willing to go bankrupt over this one.

Dan joined Glenn Beck on the radio program to detail what he calls a "smear" campaign behind the scenes, and how he believes we can move forward from Big Tech's control.

"You have no idea how bad this was behind the scenes," Dan told Glenn. "I know you're probably thinking ... well, how much worse can the attack on Parler have gotten than three trillion-dollar companies — Amazon, Apple, and Google — all seemingly coordinated to remove your business from the face of the Earth? Well, behind the scenes, it's even worse. I mean, there are smear campaigns, pressure campaigns ... lawyers, bankers, everyone, to get this company ... wiped from the face of the earth. It's incredible."

Dan emphasized that he would not give up without a fight, because what's he's really fighting for is the right to free speech for all Americans, regardless of their political opinions, without fear of being banned, blacklisted, or losing jobs and businesses.

"I will go bankrupt. I will go absolutely destitute before I let this go," he said. "I have had some very scary moments in my life and they put horse blinders on me. I know what matters now. It's not money. It's not houses. It's none of that crap. It's this: the ability to exist in a free country, where you can express your ideas freely."

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Joe Biden's administration is getting ready for something historic, but we're all being distracted. And now that Biden has hired at least 14 former or current executives from Big Tech — experts at colluding to censor unflattering news about Biden — Americans must be laser-focused on what's coming.

On January 20, the most corrupt president in American history will be inaugurated, and it looks like some of his cabinet choices were picked specifically so everything just – poof – goes away. The administration nominees appear to be all about preserving corruption, crony capitalism, and executing a Great Reset. Those same people also have one more thing in common: Ukraine.

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I want to talk to you about something that probably didn't make a lot of sense a long time ago. In fact, I can't tell you how many program directors and how many stations threatened to cancel. Or how many calls I got from the average listener saying; What the hell are you even talking about when I talked about, the leadership of Martin Luther King.

I have done everything I can — as much as I possibly can — to teach you about Martin Luther King and nonviolent protests. And I don't think there's anybody in the media who has talked about nonviolence longer and more in-depth on commercial airwaves than me. Preachers, certainly. But commercial airwaves — I don't think anybody has.

Now I think many are beginning to understand why I tried to lay that foundation. I have told you since September 11th that I have this feeling you are going to be the group of people that will, in the end, save the republic.

I've always believed that. I don't know how it's saved. It might just be preserved in our hearts, I don't know. But I believe it now.

I never wanted us to get to this point — everything I've done is to prevent us from getting here. But everybody is so politically tied to their side that no one will let their shields down and actually listen to one another.

And we're at that desperate point now.

You are equipped to save the republic because you at least hopefully have a fundamental understanding of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And you have at least a basic understanding of American history. More importantly, what makes this audience so phenomenal is that it is the most generous and service-minded audience of any show in America and perhaps the world.

That's part of what continues to be so frustrating about the Capitol invasion last week. Because you're being maligned.

You.

I know who you are. This is the most peaceful, generous, loving, God-fearing, authentic and patriotic audience in America. And you are frustrated and you are tired of being hit in the face and being called bigot and everything else no matter what you do.

I've been called an anti-Semite just in the last 24 hours by everybody, unjustly.

I get it.

You are now being tainted by the actions of complete imbeciles who do not represent you and me. It's not fair. But that's the hand that we're being dealt and God is in charge and He is not surprised.

We know the left's current tactics fail in the long run. Silencing. Canceling. Taking away rights.

We know the left's current tactics fail in the long run. Silencing. Canceling. Taking away rights. These are the hallmarks of regime, after regime, after Marxist regime on the ash heaps of history. Now China is still there because they've taken the so-called free market and took the capitalist system and they combined it with their Marxist utopia.

I don't know what's going to happen to the people over there. Especially seeing that our high-tech has joined them to weed out the dissidents. But it's not inevitable that we join them.

And it is going to require us to take a stand. Just not in the way that most people — especially if they're angry — think is most effective. Look at the ratings of BLM. 78 percent of Americans, at the beginning of the summer, thought that they were swell.

That number is in the low 20s now. Why? Because violence doesn't work.

I don't know if you saw the fellowship of the ring, but if you did, do you remember when Frodo said: "I don't want to do this!"

He's lamenting having to face down the evil and he's just one guy. I'll never forget it because it was right after 9/11, that the movie came out. I'll never forget Gandalf's reply. He said: "So do we all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what we're going to do with the time that is given us."

We can't decide what others are going to do. We can't control the dangerous Orwellian darkness that seems to be descending on America. All we can control is our response and strive to lead by example. If you know anyone in your sphere of influence who might be planning to attend one of these armed rallies in the coming days, beg them not to go. Do everything you can to stop them.

That's not a way to take a stand and it will not protect anything you hold dear and it will endanger the republic. It is what the other side wants.

So how do we take a stand?

The first thing I need you to do today is to help lower the temperature. It has been so hard for me not to respond to people on Twitter who have called me every name under the sun because I quoted the leading Holocaust historian last night on Tucker Carlson.

But see, that wasn't an attack on me, that was an attack on Tucker. If you can scare the guests from coming on to Tucker, you destroy Tucker. That's what they're doing.

Do not vent your anger on social media. At this point, it is probably just going to get your account shut down.

I want you to write this down and I want you to keep this in front of you.

Blessed are the peacemakers. For they will be called the children of God.

That means something today, much more than it did six months ago.

Blessed be the peacemakers.

Be a peacemaker.

And this is the hard part, you can't disconnect. Because things are moving too rapidly. You must stay plugged in.

But I want you to reach out to someone in kindness on social media. Encourage someone. Do not engage with the darkness. Be the light in the corner of your world.

You need to be a leader for what is to come.

And I know I'm asking you almost the impossible. I know you're angry and frustrated and it is gut-wrenching to feel that you're powerless to stop your nation from what you believe is sliding into the abyss.

You are not powerless. You are not voiceless.

I believe it too, with everything in me. I wish I was wrong. I hope that I am. I pray that I am. But know this: You are not powerless. You are not voiceless. You may be the only voice that anyone hears. Voices like mine will go away. I am trying to think of what I need to share with you before, God forbid, that ever happens. Because I cannot live with myself if I talked about something stupid politically and I find my voice silenced and then saying, I wish I would have said this or I wish I would have told them that.

You wield more power than you know. Not because of your voice or being able to call your congressman. You're more powerful than you know because you understand the real problem in America. The real problem in America is not political.

It is spiritual.

If you're like me when you get angry, you think that you are going to take on this challenge on your own — you are not being humble. You think you'll fix it. Everything that is happening to us is because we are an arrogant, out of control people.

We must humble ourselves. Please, you have the skill and the strength to endure the fiery darts that are going to come your way or already are. But this is a problem with our hearts.

You cannot reach someone's head without capturing their heart and no one is going to capture anyone's heart through violence.

Start in your own home and then reach out and if you're able, serve your neighbor. If you can, serve your local community. You must be a beacon of light in a very dark place. I'm going to ask you to do something you're really not going to like. And that's how I know things are from God. When I hear something or I think something and I'm like — oh crap, I don't want to do that — and you just know it it's right. You just know it's what God wants. And you're hoping that maybe you didn't hear it.

And it's so horrible. Because it's the last thing you want to do. But God is unlike many of our churches and preachers, He doesn't tell us what we want to hear. He doesn't have to pay for the church or get collection. Or be judged by how many people go.

Rise above the fray, with service and love, with malice toward none and charity toward all.

He'll say the same thing and he'll lose whole flocks. And they'll eventually start to go — oh wait, where is the Shepherd again?

But I have to tell you now some things that I want you to do. And they're not new. But I need you to hear me. I am asking you if you want to stand for the republic, I need you first to pray.

Pray like you've never prayed before. Pray for humility. Pray for guidance. Pray for peace. Pray for those people who you think you hate. Because you don't. Because hatred does not come from any good place.

Then I want you go out and serve someone in any way possible. On inauguration day especially, get your family and your children involved. Volunteer somewhere, take someone a meal. Do something to lift the spirits of hospital workers or your local police department.

Help a stranger mow a lawn, fix someone's car, pick up trash on the side of the highway. Do what you can do. But the most important thing is to do it with a sincere heart. And if someone asks you, why are you doing this? Just say, because I love my country.

Rise above the fray with service and love, with malice toward none and charity toward all.

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A pre-Inauguration Day plea: You wield MUCH more power than you know youtu.be