GLENN: We have Ben Stein on, who is in the new documentary "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed." I'm actually seeing it tonight. I know Stu saw it over the weekend and has given it a rave, rave review.
STU: Yeah, they did a great job with it.
GLENN: I mean, you go to these documentaries and you see them and I don't think I've heard you talk about -- maybe Spurlock you said things in the general area as this, but is this --
STU: Yeah. You know, like obviously most of the documentaries that come out are horribly liberal documentaries. Conservative ones that come out, some of them are good. A lot of them are just really, they are not entertaining, they're boring, they're not well done. This one's -- I mean, this is a pro -- you know, this is a pro package. I mean, it's Ben Stein. So it's not a surprise. But I mean, it's really good.
GLENN: And Ben Stein is on with us now. This is a documentary that will show that your kids have no chance in fighting Darwin in college universities.
STEIN: No chance unless -- I mean, there are very few universities, I suppose some extremely orthodox Christian universities like Bible Institute of Los Angeles or Pepperdine but otherwise not a chance.
GLENN: Hey, are you familiar, Ben, with Professor Robert George at Princeton?
STEIN: I'm not. I'm sorry.
GLENN: You know what, look him up.
GLENN: Seriously, look him up. This guy's amazing and he's the head of the James had son project at Princeton and he is the main other voice against Dr. Peter Singer.
STEIN: Well, God bless you. That's great stuff. Dr. Peter Singer is --
STEIN: A very strange guy. I don't know where he comes from. I cannot imagine what his formative aspects were.
GLENN: You kind of wish that his mom would have harvested his body for organs before he was 2.
STEIN: Well, I don't wish that, but, you know --
GLENN: He says there's not a problem with that.
STEIN: Oh, I know. Oh, believe me, I'm well affair. I'm well affair.
GLENN: So I didn't mean it in a bad way.
GLENN: (Laughing). Look at that. You can't even say -- you say something like that, which I clearly don't mean. You say something like that and people would say, oh, my gosh, he said that he should harvest his -- why? He thinks that's a good thing, that if your child is under 2, you can harvest them for organs!
STEIN: I know. He's -- there are a lot of people out there that don't really care much about life. You know, what's scary to me is that there are these professors who are teaching young people and they are not only, it seems to me so wildly off base but so viciously angry.
STEIN: I got a posting on MSNBC from a professor at the University of Pennsylvania yesterday who is the most angry person I've ever encountered in my entire life if I'm to judge by what he wrote. And he's teach, I assume, teaching young kids. That's kind of frightening to see that level of anger. I mean, and why are they so angry? They are supposed to be wanting to be challenge. They are supposed to be wanting to be in debate. But that's the last thing they want.
GLENN: You know, that was the thing that really turned my head on professor George was he said, you know what, I think universities need to start teaching their students that you don't want a strawman argument. You don't go after the weakest argument. You go after the strongest argument.
STEIN: Yeah, I don't understand. You know, I think this has changed very dramatically from when I was in college. Now, bear in mind I'm a lot older, a lot, a lot older than you. So this was a very long time before you. But I don't remember any of our teachers being dogmatic about anything. I just, I mean, I remember them wanting a debate. If you could come up with a good point of view, even if you disagreed with the professor, the professor would respect you. Wow, is that ever not true now?
GLENN: The Sixties changed everything. The liberals have always been in the universities but then they decided, well, that guy's not that much more liberal than me. I mean, sure he's crazy on a couple of things but I mean, you know, hey, all points of view. And they let these radicals in and get tenured and the radicals were not going to let -- they didn't have an open mind.
STEIN: No, they didn't have an open mind. They had basically a Stalinist co-optation theory. That is, we'll get other people that are more like us and then we won't let anyone who isn't like us. And the result has been a wildly unbalanced academic system where you can get only one side of any argument.
GLENN: Are you surprised at all that the film Expelled, per screen, was number 4.
STEIN: Yeah, per screen was number 4. I thought it was great. I was expecting it to do well. I just hope it can stay in theatres for a while. I think what we urgently, urgently need is to have people in the faith community come out and see this because it is a movie that I think will cheer up the faith community if they went to see it. They are not coming out in the numbers we had wanted but there's still time for them to do it.
I tell you what has amazed me the most and this really scares me is to see the level of rage that there is out there when these people are challenged even a little bit. I mean, and I'm saying this movie, you're going to see when you see this movie, Glenn, it is extremely modest in what it says. It doesn't call anybody over the coals. It's very modest and yet it just was like we stuck a pin in these people. They just went crazy.
GLENN: I have to tell you I'm seeing it tonight, Ben, and I'm sorry I haven't seen it yet. I just haven't had a second.
STEIN: No, I'm deeply honored that you've shown as much interest in it as you have, deeply honored.
GLENN: Stu saw it and said it's absolutely phenomenal what you do to something. How they -- you let them expose themselves. They hang themselves in just remarkable ways.
STEIN: Yes, but then they get very mad at me for sort of giving them the rope to hang themselves. They get very, very mad at me and their friends are really, really, really mad at me.
GLENN: Let me ask you this, and let's be honest. You wanted a really bad review from the "New York Times," didn't you?
STEIN: No, I didn't. You know, I'm a columnist for the "New York Times," Glenn.
GLENN: I know you are.
STEIN: And I had repeatedly thought, well, they will say we hate it, but he's a nice guy, we like him but they hate the movie. No, no, no, not that at all.
GLENN: This is probably the worst review I have ever, ever read.
STEIN: Oh, it's a screaming, it's a screaming bad review. And I don't know that the woman even saw it. And when you see the movie, you are going to say, what was she talking about?
GLENN: I can't wait. I mean, let me just give you a couple of lines out of this, New York Times: One of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time. "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" is a conspiracy theory rant masquerading as investigative inquiry. The last part is, mixing physical apples and metaphysical oranges at every turn, Expelled is an unprincipled propaganda piece that insults believers and nonbelievers alike. It's fudging, editing, refusal to define terms, the movie proves that the only expulsion here is of reason itself. It is rated PG, parental guidance suggested. It has smoking guns and drunken logic. Wow.
STEIN: You know, it's interesting that she says it's insulting to believers. When I went to the university to various faith-based group, we got shrieking standing ovations and when this movie opened last weekend, people in theatres all across the country stood and cheered. The New York Times doesn't want you to see this movie.
STEIN: All over America people of faith are standing up and cheering and coming back to see it. We've had families who have driven 200 miles each way to see it.
GLENN: Ben, it's the New York Times. When they talk -- when the New York Times says people of faith, that's like, yeah, I've seen the Ten Commandments, I saw it when I was a kid on TV. Wasn't it on CBS a while back? Those are the people that the New York Times reporters consider people of faith.
STEIN: I don't think that the New York Times people would really recognize faith if it hit them.
GLENN: All right. Ben, I understand we're going to do a full hour with you next week.
STEIN: I'm looking forward to it. I'm coming to fun city just to see you, my friend.
GLENN: Isn't that great. Isn't that great. Pack me in a suitcase and take me some place out of this island, will you?
STEIN: Well, you could come to visit me in Rancho Mirage out in the desert anytime.
GLENN: Yeah, yeah. I think that's a little too close to Hollywood.
STEIN: No, you would love it out there. It's a very conservative country out there. It's mostly good country out there.
GLENN: Ben, we'll talk to you soon. Bye.