by Oliver North
GLENN: Let me go to Oliver North who happens to be on the phone with us. I'll try to speak slowly to you.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Why is that, Glenn?
GLENN: Well, I mean, you know, you apparently can't read, I guess.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Well, apparently because I was in the armed force of the United States, quoting to Stephen King where just as part of this -- sounds remarkably like what John Kerry said.
GLENN: Isn't that amazing?
LT. COLONEL NORTH: When he was running for President. It's almost like they write this, they had the same script writer.
GLENN: Well, you know what it is? It must be so frustrating to you because we were talking about this earlier. I have yet to meet, and I'm sure there are, but I have yet to meet the idiot that is in our armed forces. I have never met a single soldier, sailor, airman, nobody that I thought, oh, jeez, I can't believe this guy has a gun.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: You know, Glenn, and you and I have both traveled around this country. We've met a lot of people and I'm now out on my book tour and you've been on yours, same guy set them both up. We'll I'm sure see a lot of the same people. The reality of it is that today's military -- and I'm very proud of the guys that I served with as a young marine in Vietnam, the guys that kept me alive for, you know, the whole time that I was over there in two trips to Vietnam. But today's military, soldiers, sailors, airmen, guardsmen and Marines, are the brightest, best educated, now best trained and equipped military of any country at any time in history. Average education in today's enlisted ranks is 13 1/2 years. I was in Columbus, Ohio and Middleton, Ohio earlier this week and I met two U.S. army recruiters. One is a sergeant first class, the other one is a sergeant, both veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, both now on recruiting duty. And they jokingly say it's tougher being on recruiting duty and they will tell you, they said, we want you to meet some of the 14 guys that we have shipped this month. Now, that's recruiting vernacular for the guys who signed up and are about to go on active duty. 14 graduates, 14 graduates of high school minimum, 10 of whom they said are graduates of two-year institutions. In other words, they have an associate degree in a community college. And I said, well, what about the other four? And the sergeant first class smiled and says, they were all graduates of Ohio State. In other words, college graduates who were headed off to become enlisted soldiers because they want to serve their country. Idiots like King who probably wouldn't know a military guy if they tripped over him or guys like Jim McDermott who made a similar comment last week out there in Washington's very liberal Seattle or guys like John Kerry or people like the New York Times who write they are nothing but poor kids from Mississippi, Texas and Alabama, Lord knows why they picked those three states, don't get it. And the reason they done get it, Glenn, is because they haven't spent any time with them. They don't know who they are.
GLENN: Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North. His book is released today. It's "American Heroes: In the Fight Against Radical Islam." You know, I listen to these people and it really is like there is two Americas. There is the America that I grew up in and, you know, you grew up in and that one had the change in the 1960s where all of a sudden our heroes became baby killers and everything else. They promised that we wouldn't do it again. They are not calling anybody a baby killer. Now they're just calling them stupid.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Yeah. Well, and of course we've had politicians accuse them of premeditated murder. McDermott said the other day out in California that they were mercenaries. We've seen the commanding officer derided as General Betrayus. An unprecedented act, by the way. Even during what we in Virginia called the war of recent northern regression, there were union generals who were pilloried but never like this. You think about the attack on these young men, and I can only conclude that it is people like all of these ones that we've just referred to who don't want us to win a war that is eminently winnable against radical column, that you will I want to conclude, who want to demoralize the troops, denigrate the commanding officer, who say the commanding officer is something beneath them and that's what they basically set out to do, to try to guarantee in one fashion or another that this war is not the victory we need it to be.
GLENN: So how does the country -- and I know you talk about this in the book. How does the country win against one of its -- one of the most dedicated enemies we've ever faced?
LT. COLONEL NORTH: You are absolutely right about that.
GLENN: How do we win a war when the media is against the soldiers, the liberal elite is against the soldiers, much of congress and politicians are against the soldiers. I mean, they will say that, oh, no, we love the soldiers but then they are really not.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: I tell people, I say -- and I had this debate with Alan Colmes last night on Hannity and Colmes. When you've got somebody that says, I support the troops; I just don't support their mission. I say, try this. When you go home tonight, tell your spouse that you really love her and then in the next breath tell her, "But I don't like the way you keep the house, I don't like the way you're raising the kids, I don't particularly like the way you make love," and find out where you sleep. The fact is you can't say "I support the troops" and don't support the reason we have troops. The reason we have troops is to defend this country, in this case against one of the most vicious adversaries we have ever faced. It's one thing to take on an enemy that's willing to die for their comrades or their cause. It is something else to take on an enemy that intends to die in the process of killing you.
GLENN: Are you frustrated at all --
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Oh, I'm terribly frustrated.
GLENN: Are you frustrated all that people don't -- for instance, Hollywood, I mean, Lone Survivor is now being made into a movie, but Hollywood just won't go there, and there are amazing stories about our troops.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Yeah. Black Hawk Down was a very successful movie, but ultimately when you get -- when you peel the onion back on Black Hawk Down -- and they couldn't help but show the remarkable heroism from the spec ops guys and the Rangers in what happened in 1993 in Somalia. But ultimately the reason why that movie got funded -- probably didn't turn out quite the way they originally intended but it shows how heroic those guys were but the reason why they made it was because it was a defeat. And Saving Private Ryan is a wonderful movie but in fact it's fictitious. You know what, you don't have to be fictitious. If you read the -- every one of the pictures in this book, American Heroes, none of them are staged. All of them are the real thing. The stories are their stories. I just happened to be there with a camera. I'm the guy that gets to hang around with heroes for a living.
GLENN: I tell you what, Oliver North, if you don't mind hanging on for just a second.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: I'll do so Glenn.
GLENN: Because I've got to ask you something that you're getting hammered for in the media here on Jeremiah Wright. The name of the book is "American Heroes." It's out today. Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North.
GLENN: Indiana and North Carolina going to the voting polls today. We'll see what happens. We'll be watching it tonight with you, 7:00, CNN Headline Prime, don't miss it. Oliver North from the Fox News Channel and author of "American Heroes: In the Fight Against Radical Islam." The national release is today. He is out on the road and he's with us now. Lieutenant Colonel, tell me about the statement that you made about Jeremiah Wright. I know people are hammering for saying that Jeremiah Wright is a recruiting campaign for Al-Qaeda and all the enemies of America.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Well, he is. By virtue of what he has been saying -- and this all began here a week or so ago, not just going after me by name for Lord knows what reason but what he has become is an incitement for people to say I'm disgusted with America, I hate America. And as he said, he damned America. What this man is doing is creating an environment where already disaffected young people -- and there are a lot of them, particularly in prisons -- and many of them are minorities, are falling into the hands of people like Louis Farrakhan who can then turn them over to radical Imams and further their process of indoctrination into radical Islam. Now, Al-Qaeda just happens to be one manifestation of it. We've certainly seen in Iraq where it doesn't have to be Al-Qaeda. It could be a Shiite militia, it could be theocrats in Tehran that are directing the special groups that are operating all over the southern part of Iraq trying to deny the Iraqis the opportunity to develop their oil resources. Those are the kinds of things. You've got an American as promise then as Jeremiah Wright who, by the way, did serve as a United States marine but has apparently forgotten the motto of the United States Marine Corps: Semper Fidelis, always faithful.
GLENN: I want to play a clip from Rosie O'Donnell because she said she understood Reverend Wright. I want to get your opinion on this. Listen to this, Rosie O'Donnell yesterday.
O'DONNELL: Well, did you see Bill Moyers recently give a speech about what happened after Reverend Wright was on his show?
O'DONNELL: He got thousands of e-mails, over like 5,000 e-mails and some of them irate, some of them understanding but what it came to boil down to in his mind is the fact that, you know, this man is Following a tradition of black preachers and that there is a righteous indignation about people who are only considered 3/4 of a person until fairly recently in history and that his anger which annoys some and forces some to look at issues that America is not really ready to face is the actual issue, that racism does exist in this country and it's still thriving and that some of the things that Jeremiah Wright says he's held accountable for and -- not Oprah, Obama's held accountable for but there are things that white preachers have said that are just as insane.
VOICE: All them should be held accountable.
O'DONNELL: That Pat Robertson is saying, that gays and feminists are responsible.
VOICE: So you agree they should all be held accountable.
O'DONNELL: I think there is a place in the world, an inspirational, liberational kind of preaching that Reverend Wright says. When you read that he says, I was not as offended in the people in the polls read. Frankly it made sense to me. I totally understood what he was saying.
GLENN: What do you think of that?
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Well, you know, obviously Rosie O'Donnell, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama, you know, if you believe what they say, the United States government started the HIV virus, the United States government's responsible for 9/11. I mean, there's a grand conspiracy theory that pervades the left in this country and unfortunately they've achieved remarkable prominence that they don't deserve. And what it does is it distracts us from people like the American heroes that are in this book. And what's so disappointing to me is the ones who really deserve the attention and the accolades rarely get it from our media.
GLENN: How difficult -- because I -- you know, the conspiracy theory is growing in this country that the United States military pulled off the 9/11 attack.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Yeah.
GLENN: And I find it so awful and also so ridiculous that think that our government could keep that a secret.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Well, of course. I mean, this is a government that can't keep -- you know, once two people know about it, it's sure to leak. I mean, it would have been published -- the guys that were involved in the conspiracy would have stepped forward to the Washington compost or the New York crimes or the Atlantic journal and constipation and it would be all over the press. I frequently tell people the enemy doesn't need an intelligence service against us. All they have to do is subscribe to America's newspapers, watch the mainstream media. We have to go out and collect information against guys who have learned, thanks to them, by the way, thanks to the media, that we were listening to their cell phone and satellite telephone communications. We have to go out and try to penetrate cells of terrorists who have been inculcated since they were little children in hatred, how to kill and how to die and try to do that under strictures that were so difficult that you couldn't even talk until very recently, this administration changed the rules for the CIA so you could actually talk to somebody who might have a criminal record. Think about the mind of somebody that says our government could somehow make the passengers on those four airplanes disappear or somehow invectored those airplanes into two great buildings in New York City and the Pentagon's west wall and a farmer's field in Somerset county, Pennsylvania.
GLENN: Ronald Reagan called him an American hero, he is a New York Times best selling author, syndicated columnist, he does war stories on the Fox News Channel. More importantly, a Vietnam veteran awarded the silver star, the bronze star and two purple hearts during his 22 years of service with the U.S. Marine Corps. Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North has a book out now. It's called "American Heroes: In the Fight Against Radical Islam." It is a real pleasure, sir.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: Glenn, I appreciate it.
GLENN: You bet.
LT. COLONEL NORTH: And for all your listeners around the country who want to learn more about the book tour, go to Americanheroesbook.com. It's all there and I appreciate the chance for you to tell their story.
GLENN: Talk to you again, Oliver.