GLENN BECK PROGRAM
GLENN: Oh, that is right, my friends. We have talent on loan -- I don't even know who I have talent on loan from today. I don't -- I mean, it may be a member of the holy family. I'm not sure. Not God but maybe it was one of the lambs or something there in the -- I'm just saying. Because I believe that everything I've been saying for the last few years, that we are in deep, deep trouble as a country. It's absolutely right because I find out this morning -- and this is so funny because last night we were all having dinner here in New York and we were talking about this conservative list that has been coming out in dribs and drabs from the U.K. Telegraph and when I saw that we didn't make the top -- or, you know, from 100 to 80, I said there's no way we're on the list, and I didn't even expect to be on the, you know, 100 but, you know, if we're not in the 90s, we're not going to be on the list. Last night we're joking about it, how just worthless, you know, we're just, we're a clown show, and I know that. And then the list comes out and we're named the 18th most influential conservative in America which, I'm a clown show, America. I mean, this is hysterical. And again I go back to this country is in deep, deep trouble if I'm number 18.
STU: You know, you've been telling me, you've had all these, you know, well researched things.
STU: And ideas that you've been presenting. This is the most -- this is the best evidence you have.
GLENN: This is the best evidence that the world is coming to an end, isn't it?
STU: I mean, it's over.
GLENN: Do we have Ed Gillespie on the phone?
GLENN: He's number 20 on the list. How humiliating is it for him? I mean, Ed?
GILLESPIE: I am proud to be number 20 and you may want to hire a food taster because I'm coming after you. I want to be number 18.
GLENN: I love this. I love this. I saw you on the list and I thought, you -- let me ask you. You went to college, didn't you?
GILLESPIE: I did go to college.
GILLESPIE: I didn't do real well but I got out. I got a degree.
GLENN: Yeah. I didn't. (Laughing.)
GILLESPIE: Well, I will put that in my formal protest to the newspaper.
GLENN: Are you surprised that you are actually above the President, President George W. Bush is 21st?
GILLESPIE: Yeah, I'm not going to share that with the President.
GLENN: You are not going to be the one? "Mr. President, you are now the 21st most influential conservative"?
GILLESPIE: I'll keep my job.
GLENN: Can we just talk about this just for a second with you? Rudy Giuliani being the number one most influential conservative, I saw that, and I don't agree with that. I mean, I know the list is a joke because I'm the 18th, but Rudy Giuliani, do you believe he's -- I mean, he's a Republican. If you said who's the most powerful Republican? Probably Rudy Giuliani right now.
GILLESPIE: Yeah. He's a good guy and obviously I'm neutral. I'm a former chairman, I'm not involved in this race, I'm with the President. I'm so hurt by being number 20, Glenn.
GLENN: I know, I know.
GILLESPIE: I'm bitter and it would affect my comments on the rest of the list.
GLENN: If you'd like any advice on how to be more influential, you just call me at any time.
GILLESPIE: I'll talk to you off-line.
GLENN: Okay, good. Let me ask you this because this is not political. General David Petraeus is number 2. I find this one amazing because I don't look at him as a conservative or a liberal or a Republican or a Democrat. I look at him as a soldier.
GILLESPIE: Yeah, I see camouflage, fatigues and I suspect that's the way he views himself. He is concerned with winning in Iraq and watching out for his troops and obviously when he came back and testified in September, he was incredibly impressive and knowledgeable and very effective as a commander in the field and I suspect he doesn't think himself of any political persuasion. He may have a viewpoint, but I don't think anybody's ever heard him express it other than a viewpoint about how we defeat Al-Qaeda in Iraq and make sure that we're successful there, our troops are safe.
GLENN: Okay. Let me -- let me kind of piss you off at the same time I kind of give you a little hug.
GILLESPIE: Where is the hug?
Ed Gillespie, Counselor to President Bush
GLENN: Hang on. The hug's coming. The hug's coming. I know the White House and I completely disagree on the border thing.
GLENN: And the way it's been handled, and I honestly think throwing these border guards in jail has been an -- I think they are political prisoners quite honestly. And one of them, Hernandez, has actually, he served his time and he said on my program that he was asked by a Justice Department official to change his police report to say that he was intentionally aiming at Mexicans in the back of a van when it is his testimony that he was aiming for the tire and they would suspend his sentence if they did that. And I would really like to have an attorney general that would look into what's going on in the -- at the border. Tell me a little -- here comes the hug. From what I know about our attorney general nominee, I like him. That's as good a hug on the border I can give you today. Tell me about him.
GILLESPIE: Well, Glenn, let me first of all note that we have made great strides securing the border and the President is for securing the border and we have met some milestones in terms of the fence and certainly funding going out and increasing our, you know, the security along the border in terms of personnel. This specific allegation I'm not familiar with but that's, you know, that's a serious allegation that anybody at the Department of Justice would direct an official to, you know, to be untruthful in a report, and Mukasey, Judge Mukasey is the kind of person who would make sure that those kinds of things -- and I don't know that his account is accurate obviously. I'm not rendering an opinion one way or the other of it but he is the kind of judge that would make sure the Department of Justice and would be the kind of attorney general who would make sure they are enforcing the laws and entirely aboveboard and ethical and I think that's what Democrats and Republicans alike see in him and that's why he was so widely hailed and lauded when he was announced as the nominee and joint support across the political aisle. But as is often the case in this congress and with this committee in particular, you know, they seem to be -- they've been slow walking him and now they are ginning up in issue over a question that no responsible nominee would ask because they don't have the basis of information by which to answer it, which is a question as to whether or not an alleged tactic that is part of an enhanced program for terrorist interrogation is legal or not, and it's a legitimate question but it is illegitimate to ask someone who has not been briefed on the program and doesn't have the ability to know the classified information that underlies the entire program and doesn't even know if the tactic itself or how it's used, if it's used at all and what are the circumstances, to render a legal opinion on that. And no responsible person who could serve as attorney general could answer that question. That's why the President said yesterday they are establishing a standard or seem to be trying to establish a standard that would result in no confirmed attorney general during a time when we were in a war on terror.
GLENN: Okay, here's the -- I mean, here's what I'd like the President to say. And I'm number 18, you're number 20.
GILLESPIE: I've got to listen. So I can move up the chart.
GLENN: I know. Here's what I'd like the President to say on this. Congress, if you don't think that waterboarding should be legal, then ban it. Then pass a law. But these weasels in congress, they did it with the phone tapping. They know what's needs to be done and they just use it for political expediency and it's sickening quite frankly.
GILLESPIE: Well, Glenn, actually there was a vote on the Senate for waterboarding and it failed.
GLENN: I know.
GILLESPIE: By a vote of 53-46 and so these senators are asking Judge Mukasey to render an opinion and make a judgment that the United States Senate itself a year ago refused to do.
GILLESPIE: And then possibly blocking his nomination over that refusal.
GLENN: It's absolutely unbelievable, and I have to tell you something else. I think John McCain, how do you feel about -- well, you don't have to tell me that. John McCain coming out and saying that this should be taken off the board? I got news for ya. When did we stop understanding why the President says, yep, nukes are on the table? We may not ever consider, seriously consider dropping a nuke on somebody but we should always let them think we would. If our enemies know exactly what we do and don't do, that's not a good thing.
GILLESPIE: Well, and one of the reasons that this government does not rule in or rule out any of these interrogation techniques and say what may or may not is because you don't want a checklist for those who want to kill Americans and commit terrorist acts here on our soil or -- at Ramstein airbase or in other places to kill Americans, not say "Here's what you ought to train for and here's what you ought not to train for to withstand giving information to save American lives." This is an interrogation program, Glenn, that has saved American lives and the idea that someone should publicly comment on what is in that classified program is wrong.
Now, Senator McCain has understandably strong views on this and he has expressed those views I think in a very careful manner. He did come out yesterday and he supported Judge Mukasey's confirmation for the very same reason which is to say he believes that this should be an illegal matter but he doesn't believe that Judge Mukasey should have to answer that question without the basis of information that Senator McCain has. Senator McCain has been briefed on the program as have many members of the United States Senate including all the members of the Senate intelligence committee.
GLENN: I appreciate your time and I'll let you go. I know you're a busy man. I do want to just tell you that I'm starting some work and going to be exposing the 70 kidnappings of American citizens on the border that I don't think anybody in the media has been talking about, and it's an abomination. It is -- everybody who says that a conservative is racist and they want the border taken care of because of race problems, all 70 of these are Hispanic Americans. Two girls were given to drug lords as a gift. It is an outrageous thing that's going on. The people, the reporters down at the border are afraid to report this. I've talked to the families of some of these kidnapped victims and they're afraid to talk on the radio because they know that their life will be in danger and they've got other kids in the family. With what's going on down in the Laredo and everything else, it is out of control. I know you can say we've made progress, and we have built more fence, et cetera, et cetera, but it is bad news down at the border, and America's not getting the whole story.
GILLESPIE: Well, Glenn, I am one of your viewers. My schedule doesn't allow me to be a listener, but I watch ya and we'll be watching with interest on these reports and see what we can do here to help effect that.
GLENN: Thank you very much.
GILLESPIE: Thank you.
GLENN: Appreciate it. Bye-bye. Ed Gillespie, 20th most influential conservative.