GLENN: 888-727-BECK. 888-727-BECK. Has anybody seen Whale Wars? Whale Wars is this new show. I haven't seen it yet but I have a feeling I'm going to be rooting for the whales to be killed. I don't -- no, I mean, I love whales and -- no, I don't. You know what? I was going to say I love the whales. I don't love the whales. I mean, they're great and everything. I don't have anything against the whales. Not like, I want all the whales dead! It's not like that. But I mean, I don't love them any more than let's say zebras. You know what I mean? Zebras are cool but if they all stopped being there I would be like, hmmm, that's weird, that's too bad, isn't it, but oh well.
So anyway, you know, I'm not against the whales but I'm not really, you know -- anyway. So I think this show is about these people who think that it is wrong to hunt whales even though it's legal. They think that it is illegal, even the legal scholar says it isn't illegal -- are you following here? And so they go try to stop all these whale killers. I don't know why you are killing all the whales anyway. I mean, is anybody using the oil anymore? Is it like, mmm, this is good tasty meat. What is it? Japan, they eat whale?
STU: I don't know what they do with whale but they seem to be whaling quite a bit and then there's little protestors that come up on the side of the boat and harass them.
GLENN: Whatever. And maybe it's just me, I haven't seen the show but this is what I think. I think I'd watch that show, rooting for the people. I think it should have a scoreboard on how many whales it killed. And it would be like, "Yeah, and they killed another one," only just to piss the left off. That's the only -- see, this is the wrong kind of attitude. This isn't very Christ-like -- oh, I'm sorry, I just remembered. You're not listening to Jesus now, are you?
All right, we have Chris Horner on the phone. Chris Horner is a guy who can help us celebrate green week like no one can. He is the author of Red Hot Lies, How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud and Deception to Keep You Misinformed. Chris?
GLENN: Are you saying people that believe in manmade global warming and that we can fix it are misinformed?
HORNER: They have been subjected to a lie palooza I have just discovered driving? Listening to the most recent NASA fabrication.
GLENN: Wait a minute, hang on. The most recent one is that this is the hottest month of October in forever, whatever?
HORNER: Right, since the last hottest October on record. Here's what happened this time.
GLENN: Okay, this time.
HORNER: Yeah. This guy, this Al Gore advisor named James Hansen who was muzzled by the --
GLENN: I'm sorry, wait a minute. Hold it just a second. He's who adviser for who?
HORNER: He's a Gore adviser working for NASA, yeah.
GLENN: A Gore adviser.
HORNER: He is not doing a very good job because he's been muzzled by the Bush administration, only able to give 1400 interviews to the press. He was muzzled and if it turns out if you do a little digging, he said the other George Bush muzzled him, too.
GLENN: Those damn Bushes.
HORNER: He has a long and unhappy history with the facts. I document in Red Hot Lies how he actually has gone into the historical record not once but twice to change history, making older years cooler and more recent years warmer to get a trend.
GLENN: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's wild. That's a wild charge to make. Show me your -- tell me your evidence on that. I mean, you're changing, going into government records and changing the history?
GLENN: Give me your facts on that.
HORNER: Twice. Well, he's acknowledged it under distilled what is an argument because he's been caught essentially. This isn't data behind the curtain where he says he can't show it to you. Usually it's Canadians doing the jobs Americans won't do. Go and check his numbers just like what's happened this month and find that he's changed things and they --
GLENN: Explain what he did this month.
HORNER: This month he just carried over September temperatures from some cold weather latitudes in Siberia for October. And we know that September-October, there's no real temperature change in the northern hemisphere like July-August. It's essentially the same, right? It's not like it's getting colder this point every year. So he just carried over September -- or he said somebody else carried over September, warm numbers into October when they would have been 10 degrees cooler, giving us, voila, the hottest October on record, just like a bunch of other things he's been caught at.
GLENN: You know, it would have been easier to say this is the hottest October on record if every human being on planet Earth wasn't going, "Holy cow, have you noticed how cold it is." You know what I mean? I mean, I was sitting in my office this morning. It was 6:00 this morning and I'm -- you know, the sun's starting to rise about 6:30 and we have snow. Now I'm 30, you know, something stories up, but it was snowing at least up at this elevation in New York City. I mean, I can't tell you the last time I saw snow in New York City in October. I mean -- it is November, isn't it?
HORNER: It's November.
GLENN: Holy cow, disregard that. We haven't had it snow yet and it's the middle of November.
HORNER: Now you are getting with the program. Let me tell you how warm it is. It is so warm when George W. Bush, the planet is cooler than they went in office. Does that square with what you've read around the Times?
GLENN: No, but you are a lying liar that I've seen on Fox. I've seen on Fox, and you know you -- have you taken money from big oil?
HORNER: No, I'm not taking any money from big oil.
GLENN: Really? How is it that I have seen you at petroleum stations?
HORNER: Interesting. Well, a transaction does involve money but it's going the other way.
GLENN: So are you admitting on this program that there is a cash transaction happening at those petroleum outlets?
HORNER: I have paid big oil.
GLENN: Well, let's not get bogged down in all of those facts. Arnold Schwarzenegger said this week that global warming is causing all these fires.
HORNER: Remember they said that last year. Here's the problem. It's very busy historically, the fire seasons are very busy when it's cold, and it's not typically a busy fire season during warmer periods. And in fact, like I noted, we have been cooling -- do you know how -- we have lost a third of a degree since Al Gree leased his movie. You know his history of bringing ice storms where he goes. The planet has cooled almost a third of a degree since he released that movie and that wiped out a third of the entire 1 degree increase in the last 250 years that caused the global warming panic.
GLENN: Unbelievable. Let me ask you this: Is it true that China wants to sell the United States -- hang on, gang. If this is true, this is going to make blood shoot out of your eyes. They want to sell us carbon credits that they have gathered because they have aborted children.
HORNER: Yes. I've documented that. They said it publicly and Europe and the UN applauded that.
GLENN: Give me what they said.
HORNER: China said our carbon footprint would be much larger if it weren't for the coal emission reductions but they explained they were coal emission, through their family planning policy which helped force divorces. And their argument was very open and they said our carbon footprint would be much larger but for this policy. Therefore we should extrapolate out what it would be, subtract our actual emissions and sell you the difference in terms of ration coupons or carbon offsets because Europe, of course, isn't actually reducing emissions. They are just buying indulgences from typically China. But this takes it to a ghastly, ghastly new level and the UNSAID it was great.
GLENN: They are performing abortions and selling those carbon emission credits to people like us. I mean, it's amazing.
HORNER: You are 13 months ahead of schedule. They proposed this in Thailand during a Kyoto negotiation for the next treaty because the current one expires, and the U.S. is, of course, to agree to one next December. And if we agree to that, then yes, they will be selling us carbon offsets from abortions.
GLENN: So not only will our tax dollars here be going for abortions, you know, taxpayer-paid abortions here in this country, we will actually be taking our tax dollars and buying abortions in China so we can feel good about the global warming? That's not happening!
HORNER: Well, there's one footnote. Under Roe versus Wade not to trivialize this horror but aren't we afforded some carbon offsets, too? Given the -- think about it. Given that as Al Gore says the average carbon footprint, someone -- a child in the developed world is many times bigger on average than the developing world, I would say at best this evens out in China, not push this. But regardless, we shouldn't be going down this path.
GLENN: Unbelievable. Chris Horner, the name of the book is Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud and Deception to Keep You Misinformed. This guy has it all down. I mean, what did you do before, Chris?
HORNER: Oh, I was innocently practicing law until a little company called Enron asked me to be director of federal government relations and on my first day told me to go meet with the union of concerned scientists because they wanted a global warming treaty. So I wasn't there very long.
GLENN: Wait, wait. Now I've got to take a break because I have to get the Enron story from you. You kind of left that out. That should be on your business card as well. Hang on just a -- oh, and you didn't think there was a connection to big oil, did you? Hang on just a second. Back in a second.
GLENN: 888-727-BECK, 888-727-BECK. Okay, so I'm talking to hate monger Chris Horner, Holocaust denier, global warming denier. You haven't technically denied the Holocaust, right?
HORNER: Not technically, right.
GLENN: Not technically but I mean first you are on the global warming and then the Holocaust. How long have we known each other? Two years?
HORNER: Yeah, I'd say at least.
GLENN: You just kind of now decide to announce that you were a member of the Enron group.
HORNER: Well, it was a glorious six weeks maybe.
GLENN: Is that -- that's really all you worked for Enron was six weeks?
HORNER: At most, probably more like four, yeah.
GLENN: Okay. So you were an attorney and they hired you to do what?
HORNER: It was essentially a job offer to be director of federal government relations and that's what law firms do is send associates in to clients. And off I went and was told that my number one priority was to get a global warming treaty. I ran into the natural resources defense counsel at Enron's palatial offices in D.C. and then my first or second day on the job I sat around the table with BP, American Gas Association. And on the other side, oh, union of concerned scientists and other equally measured folks. And I discovered that I was there chairing for Kenny boys who don't make it. This was in 1997 before there was a Kyoto protocol, before there was unanimous Senate instruction to not agree to a Kyoto protocol and it amazed me that we were figuring out how to get a Kyoto protocol. And I came back to my office, sent an e-mail, Houston, we have a problem; do you have any idea this group you are chairing is trying to get an energy rationing treaty. And that went over not too well and they said we didn't get a chance to explain our business plan, we bought a bunch of companies on the cheap that don't make any money now but they will if we get this regime in place, that subsequent memos after they came out of the unpleasantness were supposed to be good to Enron. Be the biggest boon to Enron depending on the, citing a bunch of green groups and so on. It's the world's second oldest profession.
GLENN: So then you left after that?
GLENN: Or you were fired?
HORNER: Well, some strange things started happening and two secretaries told me that I needed to change my computer password and it turned out I was apparently sending e-mails to my boss when I wasn't in the office and anyway, my objection, my objections didn't go over too well.
GLENN: Chris, you have been through this for a long time. I really, I was in a Wendy's this weekend and -- oh, gee, we have two minutes here. I was in a Wendy's this weekend and I was accosted with a guy. I feel the hatred and the vitriol that is coming from the left is just staggering right now and with the Al Gore types that say, you know, you're a Holocaust denier if you think any of this -- are you concerned at all? I mean, I've talked to scientists before who said their careers had been destroyed. Are you afraid that we're entering a new kind of world here?
HORNER: I'm not thrilled about it. Let me give you a quick 40 seconds of Red Hot Lies. The reason I wrote the book, I told him about Greenpeace dealing my trash to smear me and the guardian of other places in a meeting of scientists around the world and a professor said, that's strange when I started speaking out after the pieces were delivered to my house every night and I wasn't intimidated, the wheels fell off my car not once but twice including once when my daughter was in the car. My mechanic said the lugs had been loosened. The first climate Ph.D., he gets death threats and has had to call the royal Canadian mounted police. The U.K. foreign secretary Margaret Beckett publicly demanded that people stop giving people like me airtime because we are "Just like Islamic terrorists." In Australia, the gathering of the best and the brightest that he addressed came out and put forth some great ideas like stripping Australians of their citizenship if they expressed global warming skepticism but it wasn't an extreme proposal. They were allowed to reclaim it upon reeducation.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh. Chris, we've got to run. The book is Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud and Deception to Keep You Misinformed. We'll have you on again. Thank you so much for calling. Gang, I was reading the Drudge Report last night, it was at 11:30. I read it and I see how there is yet another reporter in Russia that has been killed -- I'm sorry, no, no, no. He's in critical condition for speaking out. I'm telling you these are the times, this is what is coming our way if we don't speak out now, if we don't stand together.