Glenn Beck: Matthews 2004 vs. Matthews 2008




From our archives: Glenn Beck appears on Hardball with Chris Mathews

GLENN: Stu was just telling me here that you have an interview with me and Chris Matthews. What have you found?

STU: This is audio from a long time ago. I believe it was when The Real America came out. And it struck me the other day because, did you see his comments, Sarah Palin's comments about God leading her life?

GLENN: Hang on just a second.

STU: I know. Okay, did I see his comments on her comments -- got it -- about God leading her life?

STU: Right.

GLENN: Yes. I didn't see those comments.

STU: She said -- she was talking, someone asked her, of course, about is she going to run in 2012 and she said basically, "Okay, God, if there's an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm just like, just don't let me miss the open door and if there is an open door in 2012 or four years later and it's something good for my family, my state, my nation and an opportunity for me, then I'll plow through that door." That's what she said. That's her quote.

GLENN: He is against that, isn't he?

STU: Of course that is -- all she's saying is I will get some guidance. Wow.

GLENN: Can I tell you something? This is -- and I'm going to do an hour -- in Hour Number 3 today we're going to talk about this new atheism movement, you know, this anti-God movement that is starting to spring out all across the country where the extreme uber anti-God people are just going gangbusters now. And let me tell you something. Part of that monologue is I believe in the secret, you know, that Oprah Winfrey book she pushed? I believe in the secret, I believe in the power of the mind. My book even has "I Am" in it. What you think, you will create. You create your own storms, you create your own opportunities, et cetera, et cetera. But it is hand in hand with God. It's not like -- you know, you are using his power and he is assisting you and you've got to be able, to be able to be the fullest you, you've got to be in line with him. And the reason -- it's so funny that you would bring this up today because I was thinking last night, I was in bed and I was reading and I was thinking and I thought, you know, there is this movement to give people the power, like The Secret, give people the power but disconnect from God. And I'll bet you that Chris Matthews says, yeah, you've got to follow your gut, you've got to do that. But then if somebody says, you know what, I just want to be in line with God's will, that all of a sudden is crazy talk. All of a sudden you're a religious zealot, you're a crazy man.

STU: Yeah, and that's pretty much what he did. Listen to what he says. "Is this commentary about theocracy and going to God for approval?

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

STU: "We've been through that with President Bush who said he didn't take advice from his father, he got it from another father and we've been this sort of Joan of Arc period to go get another --

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

STU: Unbelievable. "Are we going to get another piece of..."

GLENN: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Do you have the audiotape of him? Because I remember, wasn't Chris Matthews -- didn't Chris Matthews beat my face into the sidewalk?

STU: Yes.

GLENN: I remember this being really bizarre because I said, you know, you need -- I mentioned Jesus, like you need guidance from Jesus or something like that and he -- what was it?

STU: Yeah, you said -- you were talking about Schwarzenegger and you were talking about the Republicans need to come back to their values and you said the Republicans and he became incredibly --

GLENN: Play it real quick.

GLENN: Two years ago that bothers me but I just want to know what the turning point in your life, what brought you to Jesus, Arnold? What changed you?

MATTHEWS: Well, you don't have to make fun of that transition because it's affected my life and probably yours, too.

GLENN: Absolutely it has. I'm a completely different man.

MATTHEWS: I don't like that but I think you're right about the main point you're making.

STU: Listen to that. He is immediately offended by that. What has happened to this guy?

GLENN: Is there any more of that? Was he -- was there any more of that? Didn't he -- wasn't he either on my show or I was on his show? Because that's from his TV show. Wasn't there -- didn't he also, wasn't he defending the Republicans like crazy?

DAN: Yes, Glenn, we have the whole -- that was just a 30-second clip there but we have the whole interview. Yes, if you watched this interview, this is from 2004, it's incredible. You wouldn't believe this is MSNBC. He's like Tim Russert-esque. You know, he's hammering both sides. It's a good solid interview.

GLENN: I want to know what happened. You know what? And you know I'm into pivot points. I mean, he just said it, it affected my life, it changed my life, and it's obviously changed -- oh, my gosh. Think of this. This wild conjecture here, I don't want to judge anybody's soul but I've got time to fill. So why not. You know, I'm into pivot points and when you say you've had a great change, the only way it's sincere. There was an event that happened in your life. There was a moment where you went, oh, my gosh, I got it. That dream that's in the book that's ready, it was a dream for me but it changed my life. It is when I -- it's when I first got it, but it can go the other way, too. Here he is, play that audio again. Listen to this.

GLENN: Two years ago, that bothers me. But I just want to know what the turning point in your life, what brought you to Jesus, Arnold? What changed you?

MATTHEWS: Well, you don't have to make fun of that transition because it's affected my life and probably yours, too.

GLENN: Absolutely it has. I'm a completely different man.

GLENN: Okay, so here he is, you don't have to make fun of that, blah, blah, blah. I really am offended by that. Okay, so he's offended but now he's saying we've gone through a Joan of Arc period. We haven't gone through a Joan of Arc period. There's all this stuff from the left. Nobody is persecuting anyone. No one -- has there ever been a trial for anybody who didn't have the right faith, has there been a God test in our government? Has there been a God test anywhere? There is none of it, none of it. Show me the evidence of it. So he's either lying now, he has either changed because his pivot point is about money and success and he saw himself slipping away. This guy's had sort of event, a negative event in his life and he's given up on God or he's had some sort of a shift in God. Do you know what I'm saying? Is this making sense to anybody? Do you know what I'm saying, Stu?

STU: Yeah, he's lost faith in --

GLENN: Maybe it's country, maybe it's -- who knows what it is. You don't go from like, hey, hey, hey, it's had a profound effect on my life. When you offhandedly say, "What was your come to Jesus moment."

STU: Yeah, he was insulted that you would even say the word Jesus.

GLENN: And now what is his language again?

STU: Is this a commentary about theocracy and going to God for approval? We've been through that with President Bush who said he didn't take advice from his father, he got it from another father, and we've been through this sort of Joan of Arc series.

GLENN: Stop, stop, stop, just that one phrase: He didn't take advice from my dad, I take it from another father. If I were playing Chris Matthews -- I'm sorry. If I had said that to Chris Matthews and I said, "I mean, what is that," if I would have played Chris Matthews 2008 in an interview with Chris Matthews 2004, I would have said, "What, are you going to say I've taken advice from not my dad but I take it from another father," Chris Matthews 2004 would have said to Chris Matthews 2008, "I don't appreciate you making fun of that. It's had a profound effect on my life. There's no reason to make fun of that. I think it's probably had a profound effect on your life." So why is the change? What happened? Is it just about -- boy, I tell you, guys, I'm telling you, darkness is gathering strength. The good news is the light is only getting brighter. The power of good is only getting stronger because it's, a shadow has -- it doesn't exist on its own. It must have the light to create the shadow. So as the shadows become darker and stronger, more powerful, it's only because the light has. But boy, I tell you we are in a battle of darkness and I wonder what Chris Matthews, wonder what's happened to change him this much in four years.

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Protests following the fatal police shooting of Walter Wallace Jr quickly devolved into violence, rioting, and looting in Philadelphia, and BlazeTV's Elijah Schaffer was there to document what the mainstream media won't. But while filming the carnage inside a Five Below on Tuesday, Elijah was surrounded and attacked by looters.

Elijah joined Glenn Beck on the radio program Wednesday to detail his experience and to explain why mainstream media efforts to downplay the violence just show that independent media has never been more important.

"Unfortunately, [the attack] escalated from one person to about a dozen very quickly," Elijah explained. "I'm actually really happy to be alive. Because in that same shopping center, right there, there was a 15-year-old girl who was shot, according to reports. And I heard multiple gunshots throughout the night. Another individual is reported to have heard a gunshot as well, so we try to confirm. I watched people get pummeled beyond belief."

Glenn asked Elijah to respond to mainstream media claims that conservatives are exaggerating the looting and violence in Philadelphia.

"It's so funny to hear people that aren't there try to counter what we're reporting," Elijah replied.

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In the final days before the 2020 election, President Donald Trump is gaining among black voters, particularly men, because his record of accomplishments "speaks for itself" and the "façade" that President Trump is a racist "just doesn't ring true," argued sports columnist Jason Whitlock on "The Glenn Beck Radio Program" Tuesday.

Jason, who recently interviewed the president at the White House for OutKick.com, shared his thoughts on why he believes many black Americans — notably celebrities such as Kanye West, Ice Cube, and 50 Cent — are breaking from the "façade" that President Trump is a "flaming racist."

"I really believe the facts are starting to speak for themselves, and that Donald Trump's record of accomplishments, particularly as it relates to African Americans, speaks for itself," Jason told Glenn. "He actually has a record to stand on, unlike even Barack Obama. When [Obama] was president, I don't think he had much of a record to stand on, in terms of, 'Hey, what did he actually deliver for African Americans?' President Trump has things he can stand on and, you know, beyond that I think black people understand when he starts talking about black unemployment rate. And America's unemployment rate. And then, when you add in for black men, the façade we've been putting on [President Trump] … you know, this whole thing that he's some flaming racist, it just doesn't ring true."

Jason suggested that Trump's fearlessness, unabashed masculinity, and record of keeping his promises resonates with men in the black community. He also weighed in on how media and social media's bias plays a huge role in convincing people to hate President Trump while ignoring Antifa and others on the Left.

"I keep explaining to people, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, they're some of the most secular places on earth. And we've reduced everyone to a tweet, that we disagree with," he added.

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Megyn Kelly is not happy about the "disgusting" media coverage of President Donald Trump, specifically pointing to Lesley Stahl's "60 Minutes" interview on CBS Sunday.

On the radio program, Megyn told Glenn Beck the media has become so blinded by the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" that they've lost their own credibility — and now they can't get it back.

"It's disgusting. It's stomach-turning," Megyn said of the media's coverage of the president. "But it's just a continuation of what we've seen over the past couple of years. Their 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' has blinded them to what they're doing to their own credibility. They can't get it back. It's too late. They've already sacrificed it. And now no one is listening to them other than the hard partisans for whom they craft their news."

Megyn also discussed how she would have covered the recent stories about Hunter and Joe Biden's alleged corruption. Watch the video below to catch more of the conversation:


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