What a better way to spend Christmas Day than in the movie theaters watching a movie about World War II and the Nazis...
GLENN: So I went to see Valkyrie, I think it was on Christmas Day. I said to a friend who I went with, we took our older kids and I said, there's nothing like the holiday, you know, to celebrate like a good Nazi movie. And we both found it really intense. And I was sharing in the break with Stu a couple of things that I thought of, and I want to share them with you. First of all, I thought of -- the first thing that I thought of was this is really a dangerous time for a movie like this to come out because it can give people just crazy ideas. And I thought, well, wait a minute, how long does it take for a movie to be made? This was made -- and I have no idea who was involved in it, what their motivation was but, you know, just liberal Hollywood. Was this movie made as a statement on George W. Bush, that he's taken us to fascism? Which I agree that they've laid -- both parties have laid the foundations for fascism. Whether we get there or not, I don't know. I hope not. But they've laid that foundation.
So was this a liberal thing to say that? And then on the other side, God forbid if you're not -- and I mean this sincerely. Please, if you pray with your family, please pray every night for our Secret Service, please pray that they are wide eyed and aware and they have God's finger behind them because, gosh, if anybody does stupid in today's world, we are just in for just nightmare trouble. So please pray for the Secret Service and our President and our incoming President.
Anyway, but you take all of that stuff out of it and then you look at it from this perspective. At what point do citizens say, "This is not my country anymore?" What was the line that Tom Cruise said, "I'm sworn to serve the German..."
STU: Country, not the party.
GLENN: Which is not true. They changed that. You swore an allegiance to Hitler.
STU: Oh, yeah. Specific allegiance to the man, not just the party but the man.
GLENN: So at what point do you say it's gone too far? At what point was the population of Germany saying holy cow, did we make a huge mistake and it's too late now, you know? I wonder if there's any good books on that or any good movies or documentaries. Has anybody ever read anything where it traces back the tipping point? Where is the tipping point on fascism? Because it doesn't just appear overnight. You know what I mean? It's a series of events that plant the seeds. And where is the tipping point in fascism?
STU: Well, you've talked about a bunch of times how Hitler was not elected with a majority. You know, he wasn't widely supported, but he wound up winning with a, you know, kind of mish mash sort of coalition. And then there were plenty of Nazis who saw him going too far. I don't even know that they -- did they even turn on fascism per se or did they turn on the --
GLENN: No, they didn't. Mussolini was wildly popular.
STU: Wildly popular.
GLENN: In the United States.
STU: In the United States. I mean, with Jonah Goldberg's book, you read that, Liberal Fascism, it was among the left, Mussolini was very popular.
GLENN: Oh, FDR. Hitler loved FDR. Mussolini was loved by FDR. I mean, it's -- you know, I went and I looked some stuff up in Mein Kampf. Do you know that Hitler wrote about the American civil war and states rights?
GLENN: Did you know that?
STU: Didn't reed Mein Kampf.
GLENN: Oh, you didn't?
STU: That's not on my Kindle.
GLENN: Oh, you should read Mein Kampf. It will blow your mind.
STU: It's poorly written, isn't it? I've always heard it's poorly written.
GLENN: But it will blow your mind, Stu, at how clear everything is and nobody really paid attention to it. And it sold more copies than the Bible. So everybody was reading it. Because I read it. When I first started trying to figure out what I believe in, I went back, because I am -- Beck obviously the last name and German, German descent although my people were over here in the 1800s and -- we saw it coming. And so I go back because I thought, what did the people that I'm obviously related to, what did they -- did they know? How do you do that? How do you go down that road? So I went and I read Mein Kampf. It's been 15 years. It will blow your mind. It will blow your mind. And in it he talks about, you know, the American civil war, or he has writings on the American civil war where he talked about the state creates -- the regime creates the states; the states don't create the regime. And he flipped it all upside on its head. And he was trying to do the same thing.
I mean, there was a tipping point for Hitler, and at what point did people say, "You know what, I shall say something," but they didn't. And then they said, "Gee, now it's too late." And the other thing that I thought of in watching that movie is -- and I don't know if you noticed this, Stu. Did you notice how many people were willing to step gladly to the table to topple that regime but only when they thought they were winning? If it didn't look like they were going to win, they were on the other side, strongly on the other side. "I'm against you, unless you're winning. Then I'm for you."
STU: I took that more as they actually did believe Hitler was bad, but they were just afraid.
GLENN: Oh, terrified.
STU: I mean, and it's easy to go back and say now, "Oh, well, this guy was a hero and everything and if I were back there, of course I would have wanted to kill Hitler.
GLENN: I don't -- I honestly -- see, that was the thing that wore me out. I'm not sure who I would have been in that movie.
GLENN: You know what the best -- and I don't want to give it away, but at the ending there was just some words on the screen. I actually breathed a sigh of relief when I read the last part of it. Do you know what I'm talking about? See, we're not the same people on this. I breathed a sigh of relief because I kept thinking the whole time, I'm like, who are these people and what happened to them? And, my gosh, who would you be? Would you put your family at stake? Would you put your life at stake for that?
STU: Yeah. I think it would be so easy to convince yourself someone else will do it.
GLENN: Someone else.
STU: "I can't risk my family's life, I can't do all these things." And it's like -- you know, and not to mention that maybe I should work within the system to try to fix it. Maybe there's still a way.
GLENN: Or, "It can't last."
GLENN: "It can't last. It's got to fall apart."
STU: Because this happened when the war was coming to a close.
GLENN: To a close. And so it's going to fall a part, it's going to fall apart, it can't last." Or the things that the Germans did say afterwards was, "No, we didn't believe those stories."
GLENN: Because you don't want to believe those. Can you imagine if somebody said, "Yeah, your government is gassing Jews." You would say no way.
STU: They say that about Bush. They say, oh, he's torturing people here and he's killing people there indiscriminantly. There are some things, obviously there's always, you know, mistakes and tragedies and everything else but, you know, I do not believe -- and this goes for Clinton, for Bush, for Obama, I don't believe these people have the hearts to go in and murder people indiscriminantly. That's not the way we are.
GLENN: Remember when they were saying that Bill Clinton was bombing aspirin factories just to get his name out of it. Do you remember what I said, Stu? I said at the time if you believe that our President could kill innocent people to take his name off the front page of the newspaper, we are in bigger trouble than I think we're in. I just don't, I don't believe that and I don't want to believe that. And maybe that's the tipping point to where you really understand. Because right now I don't believe that. But when you do believe that but you choose not to believe it.