GLENN: I want to start on Gitmo, and it's -- this is really driving me crazy, and I keep watching 24. I watched it again last night and I mean, Kiefer Sutherland is, in 24, is again I think right back in the groove where they were originally and that is they sense the feel of the American people. They have that gut in them. Where they lost it and they lost a lot of their viewers when they started, you know, apologizing for, "We want you to know that all Muslims aren't bad." No, really? Don't treat me like a moron. But they're right back to where they were at the beginning and that is right now that you don't trust the people that are in charge. It doesn't mean you throw them all underneath the bus. In fact, I have to tell you about somebody that I met from Minnesota that I think gets it. I couldn't believe it, but apparently there are some people in Minnesota that get it. I have to -- remind me, Stu, to tell you the story about somebody that I met this morning in the green room at Fox. But the American people just know that something's not right and that we don't -- that you're not getting the truth. The other thing that 24 is sensing and has right is that, you know what? Just square your shoulders. Did you torture this person? "Yep, I did." Why? "Because they had a school bus school of children and it was the only way I can do it and if I hadn't done it, all the children would have been dead." Well, do you know that's against the law? "Yep." And I suppose you are going to drag out your attorney with some excuse? "Nope. I did it, I don't regret it and if that's what it means that I go to jail, I made that calculation when I went and I tortured the guy. So I guess I'm going to jail." I'll stand with a guy like that.
You know who I won't stand with? I won't stand with people who are doing it in the cover of darkness. I won't stand with the people -- you know what? Rendition drives me out of my mind. Let me back up. Obama said that he is going to now issue an executive order on the first day of his administration to close down Gitmo. However, it won't actually have any teeth. It won't actually close down Gitmo. Well, what the hell does that mean? How do you mean you are going to close down Gitmo but you're not going to close down Gitmo? "Well, I'm going to close it down. I'm not saying that I'm going to close it down but I'm not not saying that, either." What? This is the problem with American politics. This is the problem with rendition. Don't you think it's about time that people start saying what they mean and mean what they say? If you want to talk about rendition, let's not make it secret black planes. Rendition, by the way, is -- because the Clinton administration didn't have the courage to do what George Bush did on Gitmo. Okay, you could say Gitmo is right or Gitmo is wrong. Just hear me out.
So he didn't have the courage to do that and he said, "Well, we can't do that. We can't have people..." okay. So Bob Baer, a guy I know, was sitting with the President, President Clinton. And President Clinton said, Bob, figure out a way that we can get this information. So Bob did, and here's what it is. You take a secret CIA plane, you fly it in under the radar, you fly it into wherever country it is, you go, you know exactly who you're looking for, you send a special team out. They go, they kidnap that guy, grab him in the middle of the night, they throw his butt on a plane, they take off before anybody even knows they were in the country. They are now in the air and they say, by the way, you have two choices. You can tell us the information now and you can go to the United States in Gitmo or we can drop you off at, what do you say Egypt? Whatever the country is that they don't want to go to because they know they will be tortured, we're going to drop you off there or you can go to Gitmo and you can just tell us.
Well, they usually say, "I'm not going to you," and we drop them off in Egypt or Saudi Arabia or wherever they torture and then we have the Arab world torture for us and then call us up and give us the information. You know what that is? We are trying to -- we believe we can be holier than thou. We believe we can keep our virginity by farming it out to somebody else. We believe that -- we're doing the same thing with torture that we're doing with oil.
Look, oil is either good or it's bad. Make a decision. If oil is good, well, then let's get the oil here. If oil is bad, let's just stop oil. Instead what does America do? "We're not spoiling our plans. We're not exploiting our oil. Oh, no, no, no, we're too good to have big oil rigs off of our shores, but we don't mind Canada doing it. We don't mind Saudi Arabia doing it. We don't mind Mexico doing it. And we'll buy -- "across the international border in the Gulf of Mexico, you can build oil platforms and suck it out and have it delivered to Mexico where they will truck it across the border to us, but we won't do it in our own part of the Gulf of Mexico? That's insanity! It makes no common sense. You either believe in torture or you do not. You either believe that -- there are times when you do what you have to do or you don't. But I am tired of having people do things in my name and not really tell us what they're doing in our name when I don't trust them. I am tired of people doing things and I could say, "Look, I don't want to know all the details about, you know -- what you do is what you do. Okay, I want to make sure that it is not something that is used all the time, I want to make sure that it is a very, very narrow scope. But you do what you have to do." I should answer for it. I and everybody else, members of the public. Not the officials. We should make a decision together, do we do this? America, there may come a time when I have to do this. And I'm not going to listen to special interests. I'm going to listen to you. Because I don't represent special interests. I represent you. That's what the President should say.
So I'm going to ask you to have the most serious conversation because you're adults. I'm going to ask you to have the most serious conversation you have ever had in your life. If we can prevent another 9/11 from happening and we're not taking nipple clamps to people but we are doing psychological torture, we are going to water board. We water board our own soldiers to prepare them for what's going to happen to them, and they're in uniform. These guys aren't. They are not even a consideration under the Geneva Convention. You must be wearing a uniform. We water board our own Navy SEALs so they know what to expect if they're captured by the enemy. Is it torture? It's hell, you bet. But if it means the difference between stopping another 9/11 and not, do you want to do it, yes or no? That's the discussion we should have. Instead because we don't want to have the discussion, because we just want to be kept -- we want to be kept in the dark. I don't want to be kept in the dark. People are doing things in my name. Worse yet, they are doing it in the names of our children because our children will be the ones that have to pay for all of the mistakes that are being made right now. We'll be dead and gone by the time all these chickens, if you will, come home to roost. The crippling debt, the getting into bed with dictators for oil because we don't want to do it now. When did we turn into this country that doesn't say what we mean and mean what we say? It's easy to see why the rest of the world could hate us. Because what is it we stand for anymore? We stand for the easy way. How dare you say that you won't torture but then you give it over to -- you give people over to a brutal dictator. Because he will torture. That doesn't make us any cleaner. That doesn't absolve us from any sin. You make a choice. Would you rather have a brutal dictator torture somebody for information or would you rather have the CIA do it or the Navy SEALs do it or somebody who's on our side that we at least know ha ve some checks and balances. I personally would rather do it myself. If I'm going to face my maker, I need to be able to face my maker and say, "Yes, sir, I did make this decision and here's why." And if I have to pay a price for it, then I'll pay a price for it, but we're going to pay a price for something and we're going to say, "Well, no, I didn't really make that. That was somebody else." That isn't going to get us off. And this is what Obama, this is what our country is turning into. We have been living this way -- we can't continue to live this way. We must change our ways. And now Obama is -- I don't agree with abolishing Gitmo for a myriad of reasons. First of all, where are you going to put these people? No country wants these people. They're terrorists. No country wants them back. Are you going to put them in the court system? 200 of these cases will shut our court system down.
So what are you going to do with them? Well, Obama now knows he can't do anything with them. So he's going to sign an executive order that shuts down Gitmo but doesn't shut down Gitmo. "Well, we've had enough of that." That we've got. And here's again the problem that no one will talk to you about, but I know you get it in your gut. You know and I know we've got to change fundamentally as people. We must be involved. Our government must listen and respond to us. Our government must represent us. And everybody in this last election was saying on the left and the right, people who are supporting McCain were saying, "Well, he's saying these things but then when he gets elected..." no. "Obama, well, he's got to say that to get elected but when he gets in, he will really go left." Well, apparently not. This is what causes us to be disenfranchised. This is exactly the reason why we don't feel like we can trust our government, because the GOP said "We're for small government" and then they created one of the largest governments we've ever had. Barack Obama coming out and saying "I'm against Gitmo and I will close it on Day Number 1." Anyone with half a brain knew you can't do that. There's -- I mean, how are you going to do it? And he never laid out a plan. And now he realizes or he admits that he can't do it. And so now who's disenfranchised? Those people on the uber left that saw him and said, "Well, he's going to change things. He means what he says. He's going to change things." If he starts playing this game, if he becomes -- you know, the scariest thing, and this gets scarier and scarier to me every day. A year and a half ago, George Bush, I was sitting in the oval office and he said, don't worry about who is going to be the next President because when they sit in this chair, they realize they don't have any more option, they will have to do pretty much the same things that I have been doing. Well, I got news for you. That's scary because that means that we are no longer being le d. That means our President isn't actually in control. That means that if our President isn't in control that you're not in control, and I'll be damned if I'm not in control of my life and you're in control of your life. This is our country. Things are going to happen. We're going to have to change our plans. Only thing that ever will really, really frustrate you is to have a plan, then have it frustrated and go, "No, that's not the way it's supposed to be!" That turns you into a bitter person. There are things that are happening in the world that we have to adapt to and change our plans. We may not be able to do everything we want to do, but we are still the ones who make the choices every day. We may not be in control of everything because we cannot control all of the forces outside of ourselves, but we certainly make the choices every day. And if you are telling me that the President of the United States doesn't have any more choices, then who does? Who does?
This is becoming a country and a government of image. That's it. Just image. We're going to close down Gitmo but we're not really going to close down Gitmo. He's asking for the $350 billion extra from TARP but he doesn't even want to call it TARP anymore. They want to rename the program because the program is associated with too many problems. So they are not going to call it the TARP program. What are you going to call it and what difference does it make? You know we could call Gitmo the island of sunshine and lollipops. It doesn't make it that.